Harry Winks Axed

[The Year Of The Fox]

Really staggered how many people are backing Winks up on this subject, with their main defence being ‘It was OK under Enzo, Rodgers, Puel’

 

 

Yet still complain about our players attitudes

[The Year Of The Fox]

1 hour ago, indierich06 said:

Yet it has been absolutely fine for multiple players, who have played for this club, to do it in recent years. Schmeichel never moved away from Manchester the whole time he played for us., got a problem with him doing it?

I don’t have a problem with him doing it but I’m not the manager making rules the players are clearly flouncing 

Edited 4 April by The Year Of The Fox

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, indierich06 said:

Yet it has been absolutely fine for multiple players, who have played for this club, to do it in recent years. Schmeichel never moved away from Manchester the whole time he played for us., got a problem with him doing it?

It was fine because those players actually performed on the pitch.

[Chelmofox]

Interestingly, a lot of split opinion on this.  Hemel isn't that much of a commute in the grand scheme of things. I think Kasper and Brendans commutes from up north were worse, although no cases are exactly the same.

 

I think the reality of the situation is if the commute affects his ability to do his job, then the employer has every right to bring this up. I'm not convinced forcing people to live near the club is essential in this day and age unless there are clear issues. But if the manager thinks the player isn't fully committed to the task at hand (i.e turning up late or even 'just' in time, not preparing adequately, suffering additional fatigue through lots of travel, not fulfilling any post training tasks to leave at a time to get home etc), then this is a sufficient request. The club provides the facilities to support players who commute, and i don't think they are at training that often.

 

Whats missing from the Story is if Ruud has done this just because he's in charge and he wants to throw his weight around, or if it's clear that Winks personal situation means he isn't working to the required standard.  You hear romantic stories of Beckham and Ronaldo staying after training to put in extra shifts, work on specifics. I can imagine as the boss, team not doing what you ask of them, it must suck to watch the players leave Seagrave the minute training is over. 

 

I would like to think the players are doing everything they can to turn our current situation around. But if he's turning up just in time to start training, and leaving the second it finished and doing very little else, that would pi55 me off. 

[Tommy G]

He's just had a baby so you could understand it if he was staying one night a week previously but asked RvN if he could knock that on the head for a few weeks, but he's been doing it since he came here. No sympathy from me given he's being offered a 5* resort for one night a week. Given how painful newborns can but he should be jumping at the chance and asking for more than one night!

 

Not like he can't afford to pay for a Nanny to support his Mrs either. 

[Guppys Love Child]

14 hours ago, An Away Move said:

I am up for giving RvN a chance to rebuild, set his standards. He’s barely had any support. Not even his own backroom staff for much of his tenure. We need a clear out and a change of culture. Sounds like he’s up for it. That’s admirable. If he adds in a bit of pragmatism on match days rather then being wed to a dicking ‘philosophy’ which seems to be trendy now, no matter the results, he might come good. 

Whilst I agree that he's had 'naff all real support' , I'm polar opposite on the idea of giving him the task of rebuilding next season.

 

He's shown me nothing to prove he's a good manager, as the horrendous results coupled with the unwanted non-scoring record have embarrassingly proven (I still firmly believe we are performing way way below the true sum of our parts and a better manager would have gotten a least a tune out of this squad) so IMO he's seriously out of his depth at this level and at the Championship. 

 

We need someone who is experienced next season, and this rebuild is going to be a delicate thing we have to get right. The situation is going to be near on impossible anyway  with 'Teflon Jon' and 'Calamity Sue' still fudging things behind the scenes, as Top is to scared to grow a pair and do the right thing, so we need the manager to be at least half right to stand a chance.  RvN isn't that man..

[Chrysalis]

I dont think one night a week is unreasonable, even with a baby.

[Chelmofox]

6 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

He's just had a baby so you could understand it if he was staying one night a week previously but asked RvN if he could knock that on the head for a few weeks, but he's been doing it since he came here. No sympathy from me given he's being offered a 5* resort for one night a week. Given how painful newborns can but he should be jumping at the chance and asking for more than one night!

 

Not like he can't afford to pay for a Nanny to support his Mrs either. 

Wouldn't be surprised if he has a nanny at home sorting most of work and he's out doing other stuff.

[adamkhalifa]

The article gives a brief overview. 
 

Winks 

1. Parenting issues

2. Safety 

3. His partner may have other commitments, and needs to be home   

4. Had signed a contract based on commuting

 

RVN

1. Needs him to stay to start early training

2. Winks late for training 

3. Making Winks tired 

 

It could be anything. 

How can anyone make a judgement on what side to sit on.

 

 

 

[Chrysalis]

Side with the manager, if we are to clear out the squad, its now in our interests to make players unhappy so they easier to shift.

[SecretPro]

Has form, clearly a bellend.

[Number 6]

This is the latter stages of a relationship between manager and player that long ago broke down. If they were on better terms they'd have come to some sort of compromise.

[Dmitry]

Now we know the main reason for all the losses under RVN's managership - it's Winks's baby.

 

[CrazyKopCorner]

Both could commute from a skip as far as I'm concerned.  

 

**** both of them - I'd love to see the back of the pair of them 

[cityfanlee23]

Hope whoever the next manager is enforces rules where players live closer. The travelling part is not the end of the world, but it's far healthier for a player to live closer to the team, if all players are local they are embedded into society and the area, they are all more likely able to participate in post training/match events with other players and staff, they get to spend more time with family and it's likely better for the players health and fitness to be closer to training and not spending multiple hours on the road every day which can be mentally and physically exhausting. 

Players need to be ingrained into the club, the area and the people they represent, that's far easier to achieve if they live local. 

[Kp1984]

I think you have all been fooled by the crap made up reporting. He was left out the squad cuz his mrs was about to give birth so he didn’t miss the birth of his kid due to the fact he lives 100m from here. He’s just announced he’s become a dad so I’m pretty sure the fall out is a bunch of crap. 

[foxfanazer]

He should be axed just for being a shit footballer. The commuting stuff is irrelevant 

[HankMarvin]

8 minutes ago, Kp1984 said:

I think you have all been fooled by the crap made up reporting. He was left out the squad cuz his mrs was about to give birth so he didn’t miss the birth of his kid due to the fact he lives 100m from here. He’s just announced he’s become a dad so I’m pretty sure the fall out is a bunch of crap. 

3 week labour 

must of been painful 

[Dmitry]

2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

He should be axed just for being a shit footballer. The commuting stuff is irrelevant 

That!

Honestly, if he had 10 goals and 10 assists, would you be discussing him changing diapers? Performance is what matters, not postcode. 

 

[Chelmofox]

13 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

3 week labour 

must of been painful 

Would take that over watching us right now.

[indierich06]

2 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Under a different manager though. Different manager, different rules. 
 

Who knows how long RVN has been trying to implement it but it’s bang on

Why is it bang on? What difference does it make to turn up at training at 9am if you've driven there, or if you've slept at the training ground. It's nonsense. Again, it's a bad manager's idea of stamping authority on the squad. Is it going to make Winks perform better by forcing him in for no apparent reason? It's ludicrous. 

If my manager changed, and performance across the team declined so drastically, I don't think I'd be particularly receptive to him trying to blame performance changes on me not being in the office, it's a load of bollocks tbh.

[indierich06]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

It was fine because those players actually performed on the pitch.

So forcing him to sleep at the training ground is going to... make him perform better? It's nonsense. He's just trying to act the big man to cover up for his own deficiencies as a manager.

[funkyrobot]

Such are the levels of failure that RVN is demonstrating I can’t take his side on this debate. He’s made every player worse, his team selection and team performances shows zero intent to attack. If he’s here next season then we’ll continue to get stories like this and like Vesty’s dog because he isn’t creating any positive stories on the pitch.
 

If this treatment of Winks is because he’s creating a bomb squad that he wants to remove from the club then he’s doing it without any of the tact that Maresca used at Chelsea that allowed him to drop players like Chilwell with minimal noise. 

[indierich06]

2 hours ago, old koppite said:

Ruud is the current manager, so entirely up to him. He sees the players every day and believes he/the club could get more out of HW if he stays over for 1 night. It’s clear to us of us that HW isn’t match fit or can’t be bothered to put in max effort ( remember the embarrassing slating he got from Robbie S at WHU away).

Plus at the moment the team is really bad and underperforming. In the past we were winning and successful.

I just think it's poor management from him. Hardly going to boost morale or get him playing better is it? It's Ruud trying to come across as a hard man to the rest of his players, absolutely embarrassing from him tbh. Real leaders don't need to do this stuff, and they certainly don't conduct private business in the press. He's clearly trying to frame it as a player issue to cover up for his own deficiencies. The players are shit and their attitude is embarrassing, but RVN has been a total disaster of an appointment.

[Skidmark]

If anyone's ever met or had a chat with Winks you'll know that he's a good decent bloke. 

 

I feel a bit for him. Last season he was pivotal to our success. Managers should have really built around the Maresca foundations.