General News Thread

[Craig]

19 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

No, you can't actually. All the doors on an aircraft are deemed emergency exits. the only dedicated emergency exits are over the wings and this in case of a landing on water. Once the take off procedure has started all doors are sealed. Only when the aircraft is stationary can the emergency exits be opened.

 

Also, the aircraft was only at 650 feet so the seatbelts would still have been fastened.

 

Anyway If what you say is possible, why did nobody else jump?

 

And his seat position was not next to the aisle. How did he get past the other 3 passengers in his row, make his way to the emergency door

This is the map I saw on Twitter:

 

 

 

No idea if this is a generic image, or of the specific configuration of that particular airline/aircraft.

Edited 12 June 2025 by Craig

[Parafox]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

(there was an incident recently in Korea where a bloke managed to open a door as a plane was coming in to land).

 True, I remember the incident. But that was, IIRC, a pre-planned action not someone panicking and trying to escape a stricken aircraft.

 

And if you're sitting in your seat expecting a routine take-off how do you, in a split second of realising what was happening, leap out of your seat, get to the exit door and unwind the locking wheel in time to then force the door open outwards against the pressure generated by the airflow over the fuselage and the jump?

 

This thing was airborne for seconds before it crashed.

 

 

[Fear Of The Fox]

17 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

No, you can't actually. All the doors on an aircraft are deemed emergency exits. the only dedicated emergency exits are over the wings and this in case of a landing on water. Once the take off procedure has started all doors are sealed. Only when the aircraft is stationary can the emergency exits be opened.

 

Also, the aircraft was only at 650 feet so the seatbelts would still have been fastened.

 

Anyway If what you say is possible, why did nobody else jump?

 

And his seat position was not next to the aisle. How did he get past the other 3 passengers in his row, make his way to the emergency door

This is half the truth. Yes, these emergency doors can't be opened mid flight at high altitude. But they can be opened in low altitude and especially when the pilot has already used a mayday for critical failure. The reports say the pilot reported critical failure. 

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 True, I remember the incident. But that was, IIRC, a pre-planned action not someone panicking and trying to escape a stricken aircraft.

 

And if you're sitting in your seat expecting a routine take-off how do you, in a split second of realising what was happening, leap out of your seat, get to the exit door and unwind the locking wheel in time to then force the door open outwards against the pressure generated by the airflow over the fuselage and the jump?

 

This thing was airborne for seconds before it crashed.

 

 

Yeah, no disagreement there. 

[Parafox]

12 minutes ago, Craig said:

This is the map I saw on Twitter:

 

 

 

No idea if this is a generic image, or of the specific configuration of that particular airline/aircraft.

 

In which case he may have been able to undo his seatbelt and make it to the exit in front of him. But the aircraft was in the air for a couple of minutes and for anyone to realise what was about to happen and then act, is a remarkable feat.

 

And yet as I said earlier:

 

And if you're sitting in your seat expecting a routine take-off how do you, in a split second of realising what was happening, leap out of your seat, get to the exit door and unwind the locking wheel in time to then force the door open outwards against the pressure generated by the airflow over the fuselage and the jump?

 

This thing was airborne for seconds before it crashed.

 

 

Edited 12 June 2025 by Parafox

[Fear Of The Fox]

1 minute ago, Craig said:

This is the map I saw on Twitter:

 

 

 

No idea if this is a generic image, or of the specific configuration of that particular airline/aircraft.

11a is next to an emergency exit. The image is correct. This seat doesn't mean someone has more chances to survive, it depends on several other factors. This exit requires huge strength to be opened in high altitudes during proper cruising. It's one of the reasons passengers don't have parachutes. Pressure, g-force make it nearly impossible to react during an emergency. 

 

[StanSP]

With the black box, is it just the cockpit recordings that investigators will hear, or any other comms from around the plane?

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

With the black box, is it just the cockpit recordings that investigators will hear, or any other comms from around the plane?

Pretty sure it's just the cockpit voice recording. 

[Fear Of The Fox]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

With the black box, is it just the cockpit recordings that investigators will hear, or any other comms from around the plane?

The blackbox records all data, from communications to instruments. Unusual data/behaviour of instruments can be retrieved. 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

The blackbox records all data, from communications to instruments. Unusual data/behaviour of instruments can be retrieved. 

This too, but as far as I know only the cockpit is miced up.

[StanSP]

Cheers both.

 

Seeing some tweets about stories of families that were travelling, some even having taken photos as they boarded the plane. Obviously can't guarantee how legit they are or if they were even on board the flight today that crashed, but it'd be a pretty gross thing to make up if not. Sad to see  

[Fear Of The Fox]

16 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

This too, but as far as I know only the cockpit is miced up.

Yes. But the blackbox collects also other data. 

[Super_horns]

Amazing anyone got out of that alive .

[Fear Of The Fox]

I'm watching the full video of the take off and I haven't seen anything like this before. I only have thousands of hours in the MS flight simulator so I'm not an expert or have a pilot licence. This can't be a human error. It must be one of the rare occasions of multiple critical failures which again is bizarre for this specific aircraft. 

It doesn't matter if it was a quite early timed take off, there's no power thrust, flaps are gone, engines look busted, it's like the plane had in cargo 100 elephants sliding to the tail. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

3 hours ago, Parafox said:

 

No, you can't actually. All the doors on an aircraft are deemed emergency exits. the only dedicated emergency exits are over the wings and this in case of a landing on water. Once the take off procedure has started all doors are sealed. Only when the aircraft is stationary can the emergency exits be opened.

 

Also, the aircraft was only at 650 feet so the seatbelts would still have been fastened.

 

Anyway If what you say is possible, why did nobody else jump?

 

And his seat position was not next to the aisle. How did he get past the other 3 passengers in his row, make his way to the emergency door

Above 80 knots I believe 

 

It’s the seat closest to the door. (Think enormous legroom)

[Parafox]

4 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Above 80 knots I believe 

 

It’s the seat closest to the door. (Think enormous legroom)

 

Even so.

 

The most likely explanation in my view is that the aircraft hit the ground, broke apart and he was jettisoned away from the plane before the explosion.

[The Year Of The Fox]

3 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

Even so.

 

The most likely explanation in my view is that the aircraft hit the ground, broke apart and he was jettisoned away from the plane before the explosion.

Yeah, I don’t disagree

 

Its mental to think that 1 bloke anticipated the crash above anyone else, and was able to respond accordingly 

 

Like you say, sounds more like he bounced out rather than bailed 

[The Year Of The Fox]

Haven’t watched it yet but know it’ll be worth a watch 

 

This guy is good 

 

[Fear Of The Fox]

I know I said the media must leave the survivor alone in peace but I would love to meet him, hug him and just ask him only one question. Did he smash the emergency door and jumped out before the crash? The plane stalled at 109m, he must have jumped out at approximately 5m-10m altitude. The scenario to be kicked out on impact with just scratches is simply impossible. 

[Jattdogg]

8 minutes ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

I know I said the media must leave the survivor alone in peace but I would love to meet him, hug him and just ask him only one question. Did he smash the emergency door and jumped out before the crash? The plane stalled at 109m, he must have jumped out at approximately 5m-10m altitude. The scenario to be kicked out on impact with just scratches is simply impossible. 

Dude, amazing things happen in bad situations all the time. This appears to be one of them. Just accept it for now and in due time maybe we will learn more.

[Fear Of The Fox]

8 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

Even so.

 

The most likely explanation in my view is that the aircraft hit the ground, broke apart and he was jettisoned away from the plane before the explosion.

The aircraft was full of fuel. People on the ground outside of the aircraft lost their lives. His brother was next to him. I thought about this scenario but right now it doesn't seem possible because of the huge explosion. Survival instinct is activated even if your whole life you were in a safe environment. He reacted in milliseconds, opened the emergency exit and jumped out imo just before the impact with the building. He landed in a spot where the explosion didn't affect him. 

It's crazy. 

[Fear Of The Fox]

4 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Dude, amazing things happen in bad situations all the time. This appears to be one of them. Just accept it for now and in due time maybe we will learn more.

I know mate, I don't have a problem to accept life and death. But this is not a car accident. I'm intrigued as a human that a single person walked out of this horrible disaster with scratches. I don't want to be nosy and I can't even think how this lad is feeling now but can't deny I'm very curious and ofc very happy he survived. 

[MPH]

Survivor reported a big bang before the plane went down. A bomb seems unlikely but could some kind of sabotage by a Pakistani militant group unhappy with India’s recent Kashmir activity?

 

all speculation at this stage, of course but I don’t think it can be ruled out.

 

 

for a Dreamliner to come down it feels like it would have to be a spectacular lack  of maintenance  that couldn’t possibly have slipped through unnoticed…

[MPH]

47 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Above 80 knots I believe 

 

It’s the seat closest to the door. (Think enormous legroom)

 

41 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

Even so.

 

The most likely explanation in my view is that the aircraft hit the ground, broke apart and he was jettisoned away from the plane before the explosion.

 

 

if he had enourmous legroom he had enourmous headspace in front of him also.. no  metal seats to be sandwiched inbetween, no overhead lockers to crash into, just a large plastic wall to possibly cushion the impact?

[Jon the Hat]

I can't recall a crash involving so many British nationals or residents in my lifetime.  Such sad stories.