General News Thread

[Md9]

I hope everything that can go wrong does go wrong for trump and his parade . Horrible horrible man. 
I don’t know why the bother having meetings about stuff with people like hegseth , mtg etc it must be like banging your head on a brick wall 

[Parafox]

6 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

It was probably on Air Crash Investigation or something like that where they highlighted a culturally different approach to aviation safety and how it's regulated in the US compared to the UK/Europe. In simple terms, in the latter more resource goes into trying to foresee what might go wrong and doing whatever you can to avoid that, whereas in the States the emphasis is more on picking apart things when they do go wrong and learning from that to prevent reoccurrence.

 

I think the logic of the US approach is that you cannot foresee everything and it's more efficient to learn from experience (the Elon Musk "move fast and break things" approach, and taken to the nth degree, that Stockton Rush knobhead and his cardboard submarine) but if the content of that article is to be believed it's going a bit too far in what's surely one of the worst possible sectors you could do this in

 

 

Clearly, Boeing and the FAA didn't learn anything from the issues that they surely knew of regarding Boeing and particularly this type of aircraft. They must have been aware of the repeated return by various airlines and the similar faults of each, mainly engine failures on test.
I guess what you're saying is that it's a type of "publish and be damned" approach by Boeing.

 

If it turns out that some failure on the aircraft caused this tragedy and it can be traced back to poor practice, then IMO Boeing should have the most severe sanctions and legal penalties such that it goes bust.

[st albans fox]

25 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

Clearly, Boeing and the FAA didn't learn anything from the issues that they surely knew of regarding Boeing and particularly this type of aircraft. They must have been aware of the repeated return by various airlines and the similar faults of each, mainly engine failures on test.
I guess what you're saying is that it's a type of "publish and be damned" approach by Boeing.

 

If it turns out that some failure on the aircraft caused this tragedy and it can be traced back to poor practice, then IMO Boeing should have the most severe sanctions and legal penalties such that it goes bust.

Donald wouldn’t allow that !

[The Fox Covert]

On 13/06/2025 at 12:30, stripeyfox said:

Nothing is impossible, but it seems highly unlikley a pilot would confuse the flaps and gear controls. The flaps controls are next to the main throttle controls and have multiple settings. The gear controls are on the main panel and have a simple "up / down" spring loaded button

 

 

not raising the gear in itself is unlikley to lead to disaster in any case.

 

But the fact the gear did not retract and they seem to have flap problems does indicate a possible hydraulic problem (since hydraulics would be needed to operate gear and flaps) as @st albans fox suggested

 

 

Will be interesting to see what actually happened

Large passenger aircraft usually have three hydraulic systems and a back up source of power in case the principal power source fails. I do not know whether the flaps and landing gear are on the same hydraulic circuit. Even so, there is a further fail-safe measure because if, for example, the flaps are on Circuit A which fails, it is possible to switch to another circuit. It will be interesting to read what caused the disaster. The answer should not be too long because the black box was retrieved intact.. 

[Parafox]

44 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Donald wouldn’t allow that !

I agree. Boeing is American. MAGA...

 

At all costs.

 

It might be controversial but, the world population knows that corruption is what runs most countries and their economies.

 

It's hidden in plain sight and there's feck all that us, the little people, can do about it.

 

It's been the same for centuries. I imagine when the human race was developing there would have been stronger and dominant people or tribes, tribes that would have a feared individual that would have then have almost unilateral power over that tribe.

 

Extrapolate that theory to the present day and the world and humanity and cultures and the powerful "leaders" aren't that far from prehistoric man.

 

It's just that now, rocks and slings have now become the sophisticated tools of warfare and aggression.

 

This may be my simplistic thoughts.

 

 

[Tommy G]

1 hour ago, Parafox said:

 

Clearly, Boeing and the FAA didn't learn anything from the issues that they surely knew of regarding Boeing and particularly this type of aircraft. They must have been aware of the repeated return by various airlines and the similar faults of each, mainly engine failures on test.
I guess what you're saying is that it's a type of "publish and be damned" approach by Boeing.

 

If it turns out that some failure on the aircraft caused this tragedy and it can be traced back to poor practice, then IMO Boeing should have the most severe sanctions and legal penalties such that it goes bust.

Not a chance they will go bust. Their finances are dire but they still make up 40% of the global aerospace market, then add on military and space. 
 

If this was the case you would have Airbus effectively operating a monopoly and Comac aren’t off the ground yet (no pun) in China. 
 

 

Edited 14 June 2025 by Tommy G

[StanSP]

Would Iran attack the US? 

[st albans fox]

19 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Would Iran attack the US? 

You mean US assets in the Middle East ? 

if so, the answer is v unlikely because the Americans have the massive bunker buster bombs that could do damage to their most precious military assets. (both conventional and nuclear).   

Edited 14 June 2025 by st albans fox

[The Year Of The Fox]

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

12 hours ago, Parafox said:

I agree. Boeing is American. MAGA...

 

At all costs.

 

It might be controversial but, the world population knows that corruption is what runs most countries and their economies.

 

It's hidden in plain sight and there's feck all that us, the little people, can do about it.

 

It's been the same for centuries. I imagine when the human race was developing there would have been stronger and dominant people or tribes, tribes that would have a feared individual that would have then have almost unilateral power over that tribe.

 

Extrapolate that theory to the present day and the world and humanity and cultures and the powerful "leaders" aren't that far from prehistoric man.

 

It's just that now, rocks and slings have now become the sophisticated tools of warfare and aggression.

 

This may be my simplistic thoughts.

 

 

Yabba dabba doo!

[Raj]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7872pngj2qo

 

 

Let's see how many times they mention Asian men...oh those horrible Gujurati and Sikh grooming gangs eh...🙄🙄🙄

[st albans fox]

2 hours ago, Raj said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7872pngj2qo

 

 

Let's see how many times they mention Asian men...oh those horrible Gujurati and Sikh grooming gangs eh...🙄🙄🙄

are there racial identities who have absolutely never been involved in this abhorrent practice (Or similar) ?

 

doubt it very much 

[Raj]

42 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

are there racial identities who have absolutely never been involved in this abhorrent practice (Or similar) ?

 

doubt it very much 

Probably not.

BUT theres definitely  a higher proportion of some racial identities than others👍🏾

Let's hope this is stated in the enquiry and what is being done to stop it within their own communities👍🏾

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, Raj said:

Probably not.

BUT theres definitely  a higher proportion of some racial identities than others👍🏾

Let's hope this is stated in the enquiry and what is being done to stop it within their own communities👍🏾

I feel this getting controversial 😉

[Raj]

40 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I feel this getting controversial 😉

Not controversial it's just fact that's why it's in  controversy free new section😁😁

[bovril]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

I feel this getting controversial 😉

That Pakistani men are overrepresented in these cases is about as uncontroversial as it gets

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

I feel this getting controversial 😉

It's the only -philia @Raj doesn't agree with

[Guest Bilo]

Wehrmacht takes, THE ROYAL NAVY SAVES, THE ROYAL NAVY SAVES AGAIN! Absolutely astonishing.

Now here come the Allies. D-Day. Here's Churchill.... STALIN!!!

 

 

Edited 15 June 2025 by Bilo

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, Raj said:

Not controversial it's just fact that's why it's in  controversy free new section😁😁

Not controversial at all. Needs highlighting. This inquiry is long overdue. In fact, without it, it’s made some very shady people look clever.
 

The cases make reference to Asian and Muslim. It’s clear to everyone it’s not ALL Asians nor is it the Indian, Arab, African, Indonesian etc. Muslims. Most other Asians and/or other Muslims would never associate with this specific community, whether that be every day life or in community places. It’s completely abhorrent.  
 

This is a problem in a very specific community. Tarring all Asians and/or Muslims with the brush when they don’t even speak the same language, go to the same places nor associate with this community is plane wrong. 
 

Needs to be highlighted and not just for the victims or for this community to fix but also to avoid the tarring of so many who have nothing at all to do with them. 

Edited 15 June 2025 by Mickyblueeyes

[Trav Le Bleu]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c79e2n79gyvo

 

You know it makes sense!

 

I'd also argue for new builds to have a parcel safe, given how many people get parcels nowadays 

Edited 15 June 2025 by Trav Le Bleu

[niyaminski]

On 14/06/2025 at 13:06, bmt said:

Im not particularly keen on flying and this is ****ing terrifying.

I'm sure many have told you this before, but you're much safer on a plane then you are in a car.

 

These stories make the news for a reason... they're not (by any stretch of the imagination) a regular occurrence.

Edited 15 June 2025 by niyaminski

[bmt]

58 minutes ago, niyaminski said:

I'm sure many have told you this before, but you're much safer on a plane then you are in a car.

 

These stories make the news for a reason... they're not (by any stretch of the imagination) a regular occurrence.

Yes, of course. Which is why I fly regardless.

 

However I much prefer when the plane is an Airbus, and it seems with good reason.

 

I flew on Royal Brunei on a 787 Dreamliner in December, and having read that article, it wouldnt surprise me if they wer3 also receiving sub-par aircraft. Won't be doing that again

[FoxesDeb]

22 minutes ago, bmt said:

Yes, of course. Which is why I fly regardless.

 

However I much prefer when the plane is an Airbus, and it seems with good reason.

 

I flew on Royal Brunei on a 787 Dreamliner in December, and having read that article, it wouldnt surprise me if they wer3 also receiving sub-par aircraft. Won't be doing that again

I'm also a bit of a nervous flyer, but like you it doesn't stop me, I just really don't like it.

 

We're booked to fly to the Caribbean in November with Lufthansa and thankfully the planes are Airbus, if they were Dreamliners we would be seriously considering changing. 

 

We use Ryanair a lot for our short haul flights and I know they are Boeing but as far as I know the ones Ryanair use are deemed to be safe...

[whoareyaaa]

I've pretty much gave up flying, can't stand the waiting around and queuing, on top of all the problems planes seem to be having..I think the next holiday in Europe I will be driving, channel tunnel or go on a cruise for longer destinations.

 

I've travelled a fair bit so not really that bothered no more. 

[Fear Of The Fox]

The fact is Boeing was cutting corners regarding quality and God knows what is happening when it comes down to individual country maintenance of their planes. I'm not saying it's not safe to fly with Boeing because obviously it needs a series of very unfortunate events for a plane to go down. A car is still more dangerous risk wise. 

Latest info says there was a mechanical problem with the seat of the captain which I personally find bizarre. In a few words, his seat was pushed backwards at take off. I call it rubbish. If this is the case all Boeing planes should be grounded. I'm still checking sources of this info though.