whoareyaaa Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 22 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Gerrard was horrendous in his only job in English football. Villa improved massively the moment he left. He’d be a terrible choice. Still better than Carrick you could have said the same about Lampard. 1
Gamble92 Posted 4 January Posted 4 January Why would Gerrard even risk his next make or break job being with a club everyone is talking about as badly as us? 1
ClaphamFox Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 19 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: Still better than Carrick you could have said the same about Lampard. “Better than Carrick” isn’t much of a bar to clear, is it? And no, I couldn’t have said the same about Lampard as his managerial record in England prior to Coventry included some successes, whereas Gerrard was a disaster in his only job in this country. 1
CarolinaFox Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 52 minutes ago, Danno said: 🤣🤣🤣 I said it was a wild thought haha
Freddy Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 1 minute ago, BrilliantFox said: We should do a straight swop with Man U now they've shit the bed. 1
whoareyaaa Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 16 hours ago, ClaphamFox said: “Better than Carrick” isn’t much of a bar to clear, is it? And no, I couldn’t have said the same about Lampard as his managerial record in England prior to Coventry included some successes, whereas Gerrard was a disaster in his only job in this country. He done well with Rangers and managed quite a lot of games for them albiet it is in Scotland but they wasn't in a great position when he took over and turned them around. Lampard got sacked by Everton after a poor run and didn't do much at Derby, Chelsea was a bit of a disaster as well wasn't it.
ClaphamFox Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 33 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: He done well with Rangers and managed quite a lot of games for them albiet it is in Scotland but they wasn't in a great position when he took over and turned them around. Lampard got sacked by Everton after a poor run and didn't do much at Derby, Chelsea was a bit of a disaster as well wasn't it. The phrase 'albeit in Scotland' is the key one in your first sentence above. Achieving success as a manager of an old firm club in Scotland means precisely nothing when it comes to predicting success in England. Villa was a great job for Gerrard—they were on the up when he joined them and provided him with a fantastic opportunity to prove himself. Instead, Villa became a chaotic mess under him—key players ostracised, others played out of position, no coherent tactics or style. A Villa fan I know describes the football they played under Gerrard as the worst he's ever seen in more than 40 years of supporting them. In his season at Derby Lampard took them to the play-off final, which I personally wouldn't describe as "not doing much". In his first season at Chelsea they were operating under a FIFA transfer embargo, which meant he had to draw very heavily on their academy players—and he secured them Champions League qualification and took them to the FA Cup final. If that's your idea of a "disaster", I'd love to know your bar for success. Yes, his time at Everton was a failure but at the time they were a complete basket case club that many other managers had failed at—Lampard was just the latest in a long line of managers who struggled there. In other words, there is literally no comparison between Lampard and Gerrard's records as managers. The only reason some people are looking at Lampard's success at Coventry and thinking "could Gerrard do the same here?" is because they are associated with each other through their time as players. It's got nothing to do with their respective managerial abilities. 3
em9999 Posted 5 January Posted 5 January Apparently we after Ruben after man u sacking Cuz we are getting used to getting a Good old Amorim
whoareyaaa Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said: The phrase 'albeit in Scotland' is the key one in your first sentence above. Achieving success as a manager of an old firm club in Scotland means precisely nothing when it comes to predicting success in England. Villa was a great job for Gerrard—they were on the up when he joined them and provided him with a fantastic opportunity to prove himself. Instead, Villa became a chaotic mess under him—key players ostracised, others played out of position, no coherent tactics or style. A Villa fan I know describes the football they played under Gerrard as the worst he's ever seen in more than 40 years of supporting them. In his season at Derby Lampard took them to the play-off final, which I personally wouldn't describe as "not doing much". In his first season at Chelsea they were operating under a FIFA transfer embargo, which meant he had to draw very heavily on their academy players—and he secured them Champions League qualification and took them to the FA Cup final. If that's your idea of a "disaster", I'd love to know your bar for success. Yes, his time at Everton was a failure but at the time they were a complete basket case club that many other managers had failed at—Lampard was just the latest in a long line of managers who struggled there. In other words, there is literally no comparison between Lampard and Gerrard's records as managers. The only reason some people are looking at Lampard's success at Coventry and thinking "could Gerrard do the same here?" is because they are associated with each other through their time as players. It's got nothing to do with their respective managerial abilities. Some fair points however when he took over Rangers they where in a bad state and he got them playing some good football and managed to win the league stopping Celtic from winning 10 in a row, they also played some good football in Europe. The Villa job was a tough one and they was in a bit of a transition at the time some times it don't work out but you can't deny what a great job he did at Rangers.
Samilktray Posted 5 January Posted 5 January I reckon Gerrard has his eye on the caretaker role at Liverpool if they get rid of Slot, probably his only chance of managing them. He is however rubbish
BrilliantFox Posted 5 January Posted 5 January The nerve to even utter "Gerrard" in this thread. Had Villa in a relegation battle that Emery got 7th with in the same season! 1
whoareyaaa Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 1 minute ago, BrilliantFox said: The nerve to even utter "Gerrard" in this thread. Had Villa in a relegation battle that Emery got 7th with in the same season! We are linked with Carrick who is much worse, Gerrard would do better that was the point.
BrilliantFox Posted 5 January Posted 5 January (edited) 9 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: We are linked with Carrick who is much worse, Gerrard would do better that was the point. They're equally as bad. I'd rather take a gamble on an unknown quantity (Andy King till end of the season) than go with Gerrard who is a known bad option. King can be interim till we find the right permanent manager. Andy King wins us the playoffs, we then thank him with a handshake and hire a manager for the Prem. Edited 5 January by BrilliantFox
winteriscoming Posted 5 January Author Posted 5 January 20 minutes ago, Silebyfox_89 said: Adi Hutter Would definitely have him but zero chance he’ll join us.
HankMarvin Posted 5 January Posted 5 January Nancy sacked after a month, shows what a load of crap people spew about nothing changes when the manager changes
ClaphamFox Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 5 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: Nancy sacked after a month, shows what a load of crap people spew about nothing changes when the manager changes So he's no longer a Nancy Bhoy? 1 3
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5waller5 Posted 5 January Posted 5 January Juan Carlos Carcedo has exercised his right to buy out his remaining contract and that of his two assistants today. I follow Pafos FC reasonably closely and he’s transformed them into a Champions League qualifying side… albeit getting beaten and having to play in their rival’s ground as theirs isn’t up to standard. If we want a project builder then he could be a great pick - has Marty gone already and he’s on his way???
Claudio Fannieri Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 1 minute ago, 5waller5 said: Juan Carlos Carcedo has exercised his right to buy out his remaining contract and that of his two assistants today. I follow Pafos FC reasonably closely and he’s transformed them into a Champions League qualifying side… albeit getting beaten and having to play in their rival’s ground as theirs isn’t up to standard. If we want a project builder then he could be a great pick - has Marty gone already and he’s on his way??? Would be great if we did go down this route but given the past history I very much doubt if Aiyawatt and Rudkin have ever heard of him, let alone have then on their radar.
5waller5 Posted 5 January Posted 5 January Just now, Claudio Fannieri said: Would be great if we did go down this route but given the past history I very much doubt if Aiyawatt and Rudkin have ever heard of him, let alone have then on their radar. Unfortunately I completely agree
dannythefox Posted 5 January Posted 5 January I think we’d end up with Carrick or Gary O’Neil. But the gaffer is only a small part of the issues we have. The club is literally in free fall,.
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