Protest Vs Preston 3rd April

[LCFCJohn]

7 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

Well it depends on what your definition of a yo-yo club is.Mine is a team that goes up and down on a regular basis.I can only presume that the KP loyalists misguidingly imo think we will automatically bounce back up cos last time.

Don’t forget that the 04/08 period is still fresh in the memory for some.

This is the third spell of flirting with relegation to tier 3 in my Leicester supporting history.I’m not that old btw..So to say scrapping at the wrong end of the Championship is alien to us is incorrect

Assuming you mean 1991 as well and 2008 and this season? You’re literally picking the only 3 times the third tier has even been a possibility though. In what, 142 years.

 

The point is, for any argument like that, you can counter it with numerous ones that reflect achievements or near misses at the top end of the top tier. Ok so we have 1 relegation to L1 and one top tier title and CL appearance that directly cancel out. You refer to another near miss, I assume 1991 when we benefitted from the league restructure, and this season which to be fair, isn’t going to be a near miss. But currently, you could point to the 2 near misses in 2020 and 2021 to balance out this if that makes sense. I put some information on one of the threads a few days back and we had a lot more seasons at the upper end of tier 1 than the bottom end of tier 2. We have won cups, had more European seasons than close shaves with the third tier. Longer runs of seasons in the top flight than second tier etc.

 

I looked at multiple measures by seeing our season history over the decades and this is definitely not normal or where we should be.

Edited 16 March by LCFCJohn

[LCFCJohn]

7 hours ago, Rodney Fern_8 said:

Are you suggesting those who do not agree with your viewpoint are lacking in intelligence? 

I don’t think it is an intelligence thing. I expect there are plenty of people blind to the damage the ownership are doing and actively support them who are very intelligent in their non-footballing life, probably achieved a lot, career wise etc.

 

This is not an insult, and not exaggerating, but it is clear that whatever it is, is the same effect that traditional cults have on certain people who will be susceptible to being pulled into them. I’m sure you could look at any cult and find the same, intelligent people who are pulled into it. It is all about adulation, devotion to the leader and being unable to see past what is really happening.

 

That is what has happened and what is the case for a lot of our fanbase. They have probably only started attending when we had the attendance boom in around 2014 and only know KP. And from that is born this devotion to the leader that you get in a cult and refusal to question this leader.

[iancognito]

10 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

Not including the 1987 relegation 

93/94 up

94/95 down

96/97 up

01/02 down

02/03 up

03/04 down

07/08 down

08/09 up

13/14 up

22/23 down

23/24 up

24/25 down

25/26 ????

There maybe a couple of big gaps in there  but even then we were still being entertained either by close relegation/promotion campaigns,or by actually winning stuff.The most solid prolonged mid table we have been since the 1970s was under MON.Even then we had three cup finals.

Yeah and it's the gaps that are the issue, you'd find similar records at a lot of mid clubs - Norwich, WBA, Fulham, Burnley in recent times. Yo-yo to me is between top flight and Championship one season to another. On your list that's between 01-03 and 22-24. If you're up there for 4 or 5 seasons that's not yo-yo-ing. 

 

[Katy]

Yes I went to both protests and will continue to do so

Yes I boycott every game 

No I don’t live locally anymore so I turn up to protest then drive 30 odd miles home again 

Anything else I should be doing? 

 

[Foxin_Mad]

12 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

My daughter was ill, otherwise would have been. Staying at home now is not a protest lads, we all need to make the effort to picket even if we don't want to go in the ground.

 

Empty seats alone will not save our club.

I don’t even think protesting outside the ground will make a blind bit of difference, unless it’s literally in their face and impacts their life, they will carry on. In my view people who come shout a bit down raw dykes road, stand at the entrance shouting, literally no one takes any notice of. From the minute we are cut adrift from the possibility of not getting relegated we need to make it unbearable for them to enter the ground, so everyone needs to be in, making noise against them and the happy clappers. 

Edited 16 March by Foxin_Mad

[CosbehFox]

The murmurs against protesting are a real sad indictment of modern football. 
 

If you think back to the 90s with Pleat and the famous Sheff United game with O’Neill or critical media such as fanzines or even chants what was actually funny and innovative. 
 

It feels like you’ve got a small number what are thinking of the future rather than the past. Football’s tie to nostalgia is its enemy as much as its beauty. The genetrificafion of effectively a generation who watched us in the 80s and early 90s is incredible and be really worth a study. 
 

 

Edited 16 March by CosbehFox

[CosbehFox]

Also it’s universally agreed that Rudkin needs to go across the fanbase. Aiyawatt and King Power doubled down on him. The split is pretty much do you believe King Power are actually going to change or not. 
 

The secondary argument is well we don’t know who the next owner is. That’s the fear of change whilst playing into not recognising the size and attraction of Leicester City. 

[Tommy G]

Lots of bickering like children on this thread, who is more intelligent than the other and point scoring around when our bleakest time as a club was. I think this is the main problem, we aren't united as a fan base - and sadly still split probably 70:30 of KP in rather than out. 

 

I'm not sure if it's age, whether it's to do with previous division within our fan base or whether a lot of fans are at a stage of just ''meh'' as we haven't got any kind of strategy or direction out of the powers that be for years now - never mind the lack of communication - many just can't be bothered as what will change? Everyone is just worn out with it all. We are spiralling downwards without a whimper - what a massive shame. 

[lcfcfem]

32 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Lots of bickering like children on this thread, who is more intelligent than the other and point scoring around when our bleakest time as a club was. I think this is the main problem, we aren't united as a fan base - and sadly still split probably 70:30 of KP in rather than out. 

 

I'm not sure if it's age, whether it's to do with previous division within our fan base or whether a lot of fans are at a stage of just ''meh'' as we haven't got any kind of strategy or direction out of the powers that be for years now - never mind the lack of communication - many just can't be bothered as what will change? Everyone is just worn out with it all. We are spiralling downwards without a whimper - what a massive shame. 

I find the point scoring/ downright rudeness at times, against anyone with a different opinion  just as bad as what is happening at the club. The football is miserable enough without this constant barrage amongst our own fans. Beginning to think it’s bad for mental health. We all have one love. We all hurt. We are like a family at war with each other and respect has gone completely out the window. 

[KrefelderFox666]

It's really sad to see the majority of fans not care. The fact a fair amount of fans still back the regime and can't see the multiple alarm bells ringing is a punch in the gut for those who can see the downfall. The majority are also those who may still show up but give nothing but silence to the players when they really need some backing (whether they deserve it or not). The clap off at the end is not really support.

 

The second annoyance is that even those who are fed up and want to make their voices heard, don't. The fact the march on Saturday was poorly attended shows just that.

 

This club is rotten, spiralling (potentially) out of existence or the very least into darkness and yet everyone just seems to take it. This is the worst position the football club has EVER been in. Over 140 years of the football club. That one season we dropped to the third tier was a blip that was followed by a huge rebuild with the club in a decent financial state. That will certainly not be the case this time. Staying up has never been this important!

[john ridley]

14 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

It's really sad to see the majority of fans not care. The fact a fair amount of fans still back the regime and can't see the multiple alarm bells ringing is a punch in the gut for those who can see the downfall. The majority are also those who may still show up but give nothing but silence to the players when they really need some backing (whether they deserve it or not). The clap off at the end is not really support.

 

The second annoyance is that even those who are fed up and want to make their voices heard, don't. The fact the march on Saturday was poorly attended shows just that.

 

This club is rotten, spiralling (potentially) out of existence or the very least into darkness and yet everyone just seems to take it. This is the worst position the football club has EVER been in. Over 140 years of the football club. That one season we dropped to the third tier was a blip that was followed by a huge rebuild with the club in a decent financial state. That will certainly not be the case this time. Staying up has never been this important!

And it's all down to 2 people  who haven't  a clue how to run a football  club. Don't even  need a witch hunt ,history  will show who are responsible. 

Edited 16 March by john ridley

[Silva Fox]

16 hours ago, 1884HF said:

Well do you wanna provide some evidence at why you disagree with us ?

And it's all gone quiet over there............................

[Globalfox]

I am a hard football fan, born into the 60’s forged in the fire of the 70’s, enjoyed success and failure, outlasted multiple owners, revelled in the heights of the last decade. I go to not just Leicester but many other games. The reality is that the passion, hatred of the opposition and the fight has gone not just at Leicester but across the footballing world in the UK. Your protest numbers reflect the modern supporter. Just like they reflect the modern professional footballer no one cares. There is no passion, the club as do many others talk about the match experience. They cannot however define it. The reality is that my definition now varies from that of so many others. I yearn for the great European nights of the 70’s but even Anfield cannot deliver that. Too many fans don’t care they have no loyalty and will move on. Passive Protests will not change anything. You need thousands storming the Directors box before anything will get noticed and that is not yet where most people are. Good luck I have nothing against you but it is a waste of time. The recent management changes are two fingers up to the fan base that we like incompetence.

[BRFC1875]

35 minutes ago, Globalfox said:

I am a hard football fan, born into the 60’s forged in the fire of the 70’s, enjoyed success and failure, outlasted multiple owners, revelled in the heights of the last decade. I go to not just Leicester but many other games. The reality is that the passion, hatred of the opposition and the fight has gone not just at Leicester but across the footballing world in the UK. Your protest numbers reflect the modern supporter. Just like they reflect the modern professional footballer no one cares. There is no passion, the club as do many others talk about the match experience. They cannot however define it. The reality is that my definition now varies from that of so many others. I yearn for the great European nights of the 70’s but even Anfield cannot deliver that. Too many fans don’t care they have no loyalty and will move on. Passive Protests will not change anything. You need thousands storming the Directors box before anything will get noticed and that is not yet where most people are. Good luck I have nothing against you but it is a waste of time. The recent management changes are two fingers up to the fan base that we like incompetence.

I couldn't agree more with this. I'm obviously a bit younger than you and grew up in the 80's but I remember the terrace days, I remember your team running out to the roar of your own fans followed by the opposition running out to a chorus of boo's, getting to the ground an hour before kick off and the atmosphere building up from then to the KO at 3.00pm on a Saturday etc etc.

 

As you say everything about the game, including the average modern day fan is so sterile nowadays that the actual matchday experience is a shadow of what it was. But if you're younger and never experienced those times then you'll probably put it down to the older generation glorifying the past as the older generation tend to do, but when it comes to footy, it's 100% the case. Teams full of foreigners playing at walking pace, perfect pitches, no hard tackling, players legs collapsing every 2 ****ing minutes, getting told to sit down or stop swearing because you've got excited and swore in front of a kid sat behind you - at a bloody football match!! I could go on all day but the overall experience and the type of fan it's bred is the perfect formula for apathy. We see it at the Rovers and you obviously see it here.

 

Again I could write paragraphs, but in largely getting rid of the hooligan problem which undoubtably needed something doing about it, we've cracked a walnut with a sledgehammer and the game - and the fans that turn up to watch it - are largely a shadow of their former selves.

Edited 16 March by BRFC1875

[Heathrow fox]

13 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

Assuming you mean 1991 as well and 2008 and this season? You’re literally picking the only 3 times the third tier has even been a possibility though. In what, 142 years.

 

The point is, for any argument like that, you can counter it with numerous ones that reflect achievements or near misses at the top end of the top tier. Ok so we have 1 relegation to L1 and one top tier title and CL appearance that directly cancel out. You refer to another near miss, I assume 1991 when we benefitted from the league restructure, and this season which to be fair, isn’t going to be a near miss. But currently, you could point to the 2 near misses in 2020 and 2021 to balance out this if that makes sense. I put some information on one of the threads a few days back and we had a lot more seasons at the upper end of tier 1 than the bottom end of tier 2. We have won cups, had more European seasons than close shaves with the third tier. Longer runs of seasons in the top flight than second tier etc.

 

I looked at multiple measures by seeing our season history over the decades and this is definitely not normal or where we should be.

I read that post and have no argument with you.I also agree with everything you post about KP etc.

 My PP was referring to my own personal supporting history.I have witnessed a Leicester team either pull away from,or get sucked into a tier 2 relegation battle in 8 separate seasons out of 42.(83/84 to present day)

That’s nearly 20%Not massive,but not  insignificant either.I’m not suggesting that scrapping in the wrong half of this division is our natural position.But I have seen this before.It’s not a complete alien experience to me.And yes we are really cutting it fine this time.Just like 91 and 08.

[LCFCJohn]

51 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

I read that post and have no argument with you.I also agree with everything you post about KP etc.

 My PP was referring to my own personal supporting history.I have witnessed a Leicester team either pull away from,or get sucked into a tier 2 relegation battle in 8 separate seasons out of 42.(83/84 to present day)

That’s nearly 20%Not massive,but not  insignificant either.I’m not suggesting that scrapping in the wrong half of this division is our natural position.But I have seen this before.It’s not a complete alien experience to me.And yes we are really cutting it fine this time.Just like 91 and 08.

Are you classing seasons like 2004-2007 (3 seasons prior to the 2008 relegation) in that 8?

 

We have only finished in the bottom half of tier 2 in 12 seasons in the past 100 years so 8 seems a bit over dramatic in terms of what constitutes a relegation battle? It’s like suggesting the seasons under O’Neil finishing 7th-9th were close shaves with the Champions League…

 

And those seasons between 2004-2007 comfortably sit within our worse 10 finishes in the league pyramid in our history as well.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Bump 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Is the protest starting from F Bar again? 

[1884HF]

27 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Is the protest starting from F Bar again? 

Looks like there won't be one for Preston on Friday with no rumours or news floating about - probably ago again for Swansea

[Bob Weasel Fox]

6 minutes ago, 1884HF said:

Looks like there won't be one for Preston on Friday with no rumours or news floating about - probably ago again for Swansea

Shame 

[Nolucklcfc]

21 hours ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Is the protest starting from F Bar again? 

Maybe the plane is the protest for this game. 

[PaulW]

On 15/03/2026 at 21:49, 1884HF said:

Well do you wanna provide some evidence at why you disagree with us ?

Many of us don't agree with what you're doing, and believe that it adversly affects team morale on match days.  That's not the same as blindly supporting everything that the board do, (or don't do).

[LCFCJohn]

11 minutes ago, PaulW said:

Many of us don't agree with what you're doing, and believe that it adversly affects team morale on match days.  That's not the same as blindly supporting everything that the board do, (or don't do).

Criticising others trying to impact change whilst offering exactly zero solutions other than just sit and accept it is hardly any more productive for the future of the club than those protesting. 

[Officer Doofy]

35 minutes ago, PaulW said:

Many of us don't agree with what you're doing, and believe that it adversly affects team morale on match days.  That's not the same as blindly supporting everything that the board do, (or don't do).

 

Getting beaten every week and the club sinking into oblivion has a bigger impact on morale on a matchday. 

[inckley fox]

1 hour ago, PaulW said:

Many of us don't agree with what you're doing, and believe that it adversly affects team morale on match days.  That's not the same as blindly supporting everything that the board do, (or don't do).

I think this begs three obvious questions: 'Why not?' 'What makes you think it affects morale?' And, as regards your last comment, 'What do you propose we do about it then?'

 

There are, as I see it, five possible futures for the club, all of which are to my mind equally feasible. In the first, we stay up and struggle on with KP for a few years - maybe next season is a little better, maybe a little worse, and maybe at some point things start to even out again - but it'll be tough. In the second, we stay up and they either find an unlikely buyer or go into administration in this division, and we get new owners.

 

Either of these could signal our revival, our stagnation or an ultimately irrelevant delay to our demise.

 

In the third scenario, we go down and go bust. There are no new buyers, and we restart in non-league football. In the fourth, it's much the same, but we're rescued at the death. And in the fifth we go down, KP keep us afloat for a period of time, and we gradually, painfully rebuild from wherever. Or don't.

 

When these are the likeliest scenarios, I have to wonder - if you're contenting yourself with a quiet 'tut-tut' - whether anything could ever make you see the need for a little more than a roll of the eyeballs.

 

But some of these polite eye-rollers are, in spite of what we may think, actually capable of outrage. Okay, Ginetta was more outraged by Pearson selling Sol Bamba a decade or so ago than by Top's catastrophic tenure, and most of the ire of the KP apologists has been directed at everyone who's said 'Hang on a minute, we might have to pipe up about this', but at least that's proof that they're capable of getting annoyed. 

 

And at some point I suspect you'll all need to get annoyed again, just instinctively, as a reaction to watching the whole thing fall apart once and for all. It might make more sense to speak up before that though and, given that this freefall began when everyone was still keeping their seats warm and nicely minding their Ps and Qs, I wouldn't worry too much about prompting our downfall if you do choose to do so.

 

Protest has sparked positive change at this club and others. In time, it may do the same again. We're getting towards the stage where it may be our best hope and, if we do lose on Friday, I doubt the real reason will be a smattering of placards on the terraces. Regardless of whether or not that's the narrative the Supporters Club and co are going to be spinning from now on.

 

And I should really add that the things we're moaning out aren't matters for debate. Years ago O'Neill said, of poor old Barrie Pierpoint, that his 14 year-old daughter could do a better job. That was maybe a tad harsh, but what we've seen under Top truly is startling incompetence. You really would have expected a teenager to show more sense, and interest for that matter. It's indefensible and the only argument in favour of keeping quiet is an emotional bond to a member of the owner's family. As much as I share that bond, I don't think it should come first, and I don't think judgements based on emotion (including, for the sake of balance, those of some protesters) are always the best. This is very much a 'use your noggin' kind of a moment!

Edited 1 April by inckley fox