Ric Flair Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 Whats with all the patronising on here recently? I dont know where some of you get your superiority complexes from but is it really necessary? I dont particularly want Peter Reid but Shum is right, whoever comes in ill give them all my support just like I did to CL. I would back the manager aswell whoever it is but that doesn't mean you can't show your displeasure about the prospects of certain candidates. That would be like saying if you complained to your mum and dad that you were fed up with having fishfingers for tea every night and eventually they stopped giving you fishfingers and replaced them with mushypea sandwiches you would have the right to complain if you didn't like the new menu aswell because quite frankly you haven't been asked what alternative spread you would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teblin Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 I said i didn't care as long as they keep us up!!! Thats the most important thing, reputation don't matter we just need to stay up. Then look at the long term in the summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 I would back the manager aswell whoever it is but that doesn't mean you can't show your displeasure about the prospects of certain candidates. That would be like saying if you complained to your mum and dad that you were fed up with having fishfingers for tea every night and eventually they stopped giving you fishfingers and replaced them with mushypea sandwiches you would have the right to complain if you didn't like the new menu aswell because quite frankly you haven't been asked what alternative spread you would like. I wasnt actually saying you couldnt! I will moan my arse off on here if hes appointed but at the game ill support him and IF he rescues us ill be big enough to say I was wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 I wasnt actually saying you couldnt! I will moan my arse off on here if hes appointed but at the game ill support him and IF he rescues us ill be big enough to say I was wrong Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tsmiggy Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 The problem with sacking Levein,was always going to be his replacement.I often questioned who was out there capable of doing the job.Who as the passion to do the job,who as the skill.I feel the list is very very short.Now the guy as been sacked..........now we go about saying who we dont want.The day after the night before so to speak...........are we really any better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seventy_times_7 Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 The only possible way I could accept Reid is if he was offered a short term deal until the end of the season, after which time we could try and poach a proper manager away from their club. My favourites are Martin Allen or Billy Davies, but there's no way either of them are gonna jump ship at the minute, so we might have to make do with someone like Reid, Bassett or Kelly in the short term until better targets become available in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whothefoxthat Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 Not my first chioce by any means but if the boards choose him I will support him but will request the board be removed for there decision making!! Do you honestly trust the board to make you happy with their new manager ? It'll be Kelly in charge for next season, he'll keep us up and they'll give him the role full time cos it'll cost them nowt ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithuriel Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 main rumour that i had heard was peter reid , short term with either gary mac or nigel clough from next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh1884 Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 Brian Little's said he'd fancy the job. wouldn't be too upset with that. I know he turned his back on us but he did a pretty good job last time. mind, he made some shocking signings last time and he's not exactly working wonders with tranmere at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 main rumour that i had heard was peter reid , short term with either gary mac or nigel clough from next season. Will people please stop mentioning his name, he manages a small part time team who just happened to play Man u in the FA cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 BEWARE!!!!! What could be coming to a Stadium near you Taken from Andy Dawson's article in When Saturday Comes magazine in March 2005 Has Peter Reid’s departure from Coventry spelt the end of his managerial career? The real puzzle, Andy Dawson argues, is how he has been allowed to work so long WSC 217 March 2005 Peter Reid is not a criminal. He has never boiled a child, nor has he masterminded an elaborate bogus pyramid selling scheme. But if he had, it is unlikely that the resulting hurt would be comparable to the distress and anger his decisions and actions in the past decade or so have caused people. Well, maybe apart from if he was a child-boiler. His recent miserable reign at Coventry City, mercifully brought to an end by Monkey Heed himself, should ensure that he will never manage a football club again. Like the existence of a global al-Qaida network, the idea that Reid is a competent football manager is a myth. Managers live and die by their purchases and Reid’s record in the transfer market resembles that of a war-room general addled with alcohol, randomly picking targets without seeming to have any real control over what is going on. Way back in 1991 at Manchester City, he jettisoned Colin Hendry to Blackburn for a mere £750,000. His replacement? Keith Curle, bought for no fewer than two-and-a-half million pounds (Reid lashed out the same amount for Terry Phelan at about the same time). At Sunderland, although he nabbed bargains such as Kevin Phillips, Jody Craddock and Nicky Summerbee as the club were in their ascendancy, once the time came to step up to the next level and spend some real money, he lost the plot spectacularly. £3.5m for Nicolas Medina anyone? £1.5m for Carsten Fredgaard? £1.6m for Milton “Tyson†Núñez? Zero league starts between the three of them. Were they even real? Some claimed that two players plied their trade under the name Milton Núñez and Sunderland had signed the wrong one. Don’t laugh, it’s easily done. Reid also failed to realise that the market had collapsed when on August 31, 2002, merely hours before the transfer window came into place for the first time, he spent a sizzling ten million quid on a sizzle-free strike force of Marcus Stewart and Tore Andre Flo. Nobody else was in the running for these has-beens and, after the window closed that evening, such demonstrations of financial profligacy were banished forever (today, £10m could probably get you a people-carrier filled with Pablo Aimars). In his final nine months at the Stadium of Light, Reid spent £22m, assembling a side who played out what was probably the most pornographic relegation campaign ever seen. Reid missed out on the horror of it all, having been sacked and copping a hefty pay-off after just nine games, but the record low of 19 points the team chalked up couldn’t have been achieved without the fragile foundations he had laid. By the time they went down, he was at Elland Road. At this point we could dwell on the seven disastrous loan signings he made during his short spell at Leeds, but their fans have suffered enough in the past couple of years. Oh, all right then, just the one – Brazil international and World Cup winner Roque Junior. In his first four games under Reid, they conceded 12 goals and Roque bagged himself a red card while he was about it. The Brazilian said: “Reid’s work methods are among the best I have ever seen. I just wish there were more coaches with vision and imagination like him.†Perhaps the most remarkable assessment yet made. Although to impassioned observers Reid might seem like a garrulous and likable sort, those fans who have suffered at his hand know just how stubborn, pig-headed and often plain wrong his decisions can be. Upon taking over at Manchester City, one of his first tasks was to snub top scorer and fans’ favourite Clive Allen. Reid’s champions would argue that he went on to lead City to two fifth-place top-flight finishes, although this was in an era when Sheffield Wednesday and Crystal Palace both went two places better. At Sunderland, Reid signed former Germany defender Thomas Helmer on a free transfer which, although Helmer was at the pensionable end of his career, still seemed like a decent coup for the newly promoted club. But Helmer couldn’t force his way into the side and Black Cats fans assumed that he wasn't up to the job. His true level of ability was revealed when he was released and promptly joined Hertha Berlin, where he was deemed good enough to turn out for them in the Champions League. Another Sunderland player unwanted by Reid, Bernt Haas, also went out on loan and straight into a Champions League campaign, with Basel. Even during his short spell at Leeds, Reid managed to fall out with Danny Mills, one of the few internationals that remained at Elland Road, hurriedly shipping him out on loan to Middlesbrough for the whole of Leeds’ relegation season. Presumably financially cosy after healthy pay-offs from Sunderland and Leeds and with regular media work to amuse himself and the nation, it was something of a surprise to see Reid pitch up at Coventry a few months ago. As at Leeds, he took over at Highfield Road against the wishes of most fans, who in this case were shocked by the sacking of Eric Black straight after a 5-2 win at Gillingham. Coventry won ten out of 20 while Black was in charge and, with the club playing entertaining football and on the brink of the play-offs, what else could chairman Mike McGinnity dismiss the manager for other than “inconsistencyâ€Â? Maybe the task appealed to Reid’s vanity and he thought he could repeat what he achieved initially at Sunderland in the late Nineties. Back then, with his belief in motivation and hard work, coupled with Niall Quinn and Phillips, a strike force that defences couldn’t seem to handle, it appeared that Reid had lucked upon a winning formula. But he ran out of ideas a long time ago and Coventry fans were soon trotting out the familiar grumbles about unimaginative football, negative tactics, players deployed out of position and crowd favourites being sidelined. Reid saw which way the wind was blowing and quit, although there’s still a chance that, come May, he’ll have had a hand in three successive relegations with three different clubs. Still, at least Mike McGinnity got the consistency he was looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polyphonic Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 Good find mate ... that scares me witless .... I hope that we never ever have Peter Reid ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 BEWARE!!!!! What could be coming to a Stadium near you Taken from Andy Dawson's article in When Saturday Comes magazine in March 2005 Has Peter Reid’s departure from Coventry spelt the end of his managerial career? The real puzzle, Andy Dawson argues, is how he has been allowed to work so long WSC 217 March 2005 Peter Reid is not a criminal. He has never boiled a child, nor has he masterminded an elaborate bogus pyramid selling scheme. But if he had, it is unlikely that the resulting hurt would be comparable to the distress and anger his decisions and actions in the past decade or so have caused people. Well, maybe apart from if he was a child-boiler. His recent miserable reign at Coventry City, mercifully brought to an end by Monkey Heed himself, should ensure that he will never manage a football club again. Like the existence of a global al-Qaida network, the idea that Reid is a competent football manager is a myth. Managers live and die by their purchases and Reid’s record in the transfer market resembles that of a war-room general addled with alcohol, randomly picking targets without seeming to have any real control over what is going on. Way back in 1991 at Manchester City, he jettisoned Colin Hendry to Blackburn for a mere £750,000. His replacement? Keith Curle, bought for no fewer than two-and-a-half million pounds (Reid lashed out the same amount for Terry Phelan at about the same time). At Sunderland, although he nabbed bargains such as Kevin Phillips, Jody Craddock and Nicky Summerbee as the club were in their ascendancy, once the time came to step up to the next level and spend some real money, he lost the plot spectacularly. £3.5m for Nicolas Medina anyone? £1.5m for Carsten Fredgaard? £1.6m for Milton “Tyson†Núñez? Zero league starts between the three of them. Were they even real? Some claimed that two players plied their trade under the name Milton Núñez and Sunderland had signed the wrong one. Don’t laugh, it’s easily done. Reid also failed to realise that the market had collapsed when on August 31, 2002, merely hours before the transfer window came into place for the first time, he spent a sizzling ten million quid on a sizzle-free strike force of Marcus Stewart and Tore Andre Flo. Nobody else was in the running for these has-beens and, after the window closed that evening, such demonstrations of financial profligacy were banished forever (today, £10m could probably get you a people-carrier filled with Pablo Aimars). In his final nine months at the Stadium of Light, Reid spent £22m, assembling a side who played out what was probably the most pornographic relegation campaign ever seen. Reid missed out on the horror of it all, having been sacked and copping a hefty pay-off after just nine games, but the record low of 19 points the team chalked up couldn’t have been achieved without the fragile foundations he had laid. By the time they went down, he was at Elland Road. At this point we could dwell on the seven disastrous loan signings he made during his short spell at Leeds, but their fans have suffered enough in the past couple of years. Oh, all right then, just the one – Brazil international and World Cup winner Roque Junior. In his first four games under Reid, they conceded 12 goals and Roque bagged himself a red card while he was about it. The Brazilian said: “Reid’s work methods are among the best I have ever seen. I just wish there were more coaches with vision and imagination like him.†Perhaps the most remarkable assessment yet made. Although to impassioned observers Reid might seem like a garrulous and likable sort, those fans who have suffered at his hand know just how stubborn, pig-headed and often plain wrong his decisions can be. Upon taking over at Manchester City, one of his first tasks was to snub top scorer and fans’ favourite Clive Allen. Reid’s champions would argue that he went on to lead City to two fifth-place top-flight finishes, although this was in an era when Sheffield Wednesday and Crystal Palace both went two places better. At Sunderland, Reid signed former Germany defender Thomas Helmer on a free transfer which, although Helmer was at the pensionable end of his career, still seemed like a decent coup for the newly promoted club. But Helmer couldn’t force his way into the side and Black Cats fans assumed that he wasn't up to the job. His true level of ability was revealed when he was released and promptly joined Hertha Berlin, where he was deemed good enough to turn out for them in the Champions League. Another Sunderland player unwanted by Reid, Bernt Haas, also went out on loan and straight into a Champions League campaign, with Basel. Even during his short spell at Leeds, Reid managed to fall out with Danny Mills, one of the few internationals that remained at Elland Road, hurriedly shipping him out on loan to Middlesbrough for the whole of Leeds’ relegation season. Presumably financially cosy after healthy pay-offs from Sunderland and Leeds and with regular media work to amuse himself and the nation, it was something of a surprise to see Reid pitch up at Coventry a few months ago. As at Leeds, he took over at Highfield Road against the wishes of most fans, who in this case were shocked by the sacking of Eric Black straight after a 5-2 win at Gillingham. Coventry won ten out of 20 while Black was in charge and, with the club playing entertaining football and on the brink of the play-offs, what else could chairman Mike McGinnity dismiss the manager for other than “inconsistencyâ€Â? Maybe the task appealed to Reid’s vanity and he thought he could repeat what he achieved initially at Sunderland in the late Nineties. Back then, with his belief in motivation and hard work, coupled with Niall Quinn and Phillips, a strike force that defences couldn’t seem to handle, it appeared that Reid had lucked upon a winning formula. But he ran out of ideas a long time ago and Coventry fans were soon trotting out the familiar grumbles about unimaginative football, negative tactics, players deployed out of position and crowd favourites being sidelined. Reid saw which way the wind was blowing and quit, although there’s still a chance that, come May, he’ll have had a hand in three successive relegations with three different clubs. Still, at least Mike McGinnity got the consistency he was looking for. Superb. This needs sending to Davies, just incase he's tempted by the monkey's head. I've also read a Sunderland fans views on him and the fact the fan still hasn't been back to the Stadium of Light since Reid was sacked because he's ruined his love affair with Sunderland. Now that's horrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 I would back the manager aswell whoever it is but that doesn't mean you can't show your displeasure about the prospects of certain candidates. That would be like saying if you complained to your mum and dad that you were fed up with having fishfingers for tea every night and eventually they stopped giving you fishfingers and replaced them with mushypea sandwiches you would have the right to complain if you didn't like the new menu aswell because quite frankly you haven't been asked what alternative spread you would like. I think I'll stick to fishfingers - mushypea sandwiches - urgh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 The reason Reid is apparently favourite now I honestly believe is because Mr Barber heard that rumour going around (which to me felt like Cov fans on a wind-up) and phoned Reid about 1/2 hour after Levein's sacking to see if he'd be interested. This singling out of Reid by our local press obviously would have gotten through to the nationals. I don't know if we're interested in him at all. It seems strange to me that Davies would say the day before Levein goes that Reid wouldn't take over, and yet the day after Levein goes he's the favourite. I was watching Central News this afternoon and to be honest a feeling of dread came over me when they listed the favourites for the job as Reid, McAllister and Dublin. But I suppose we must remember that newspapers etc are rarely right about these things at the beginning, McAllister was top of the list to be our manager last time and nothing came of that. That said I'm not sure if the fact that we seem to have no ideas about a replacement doesn't unsettle me more than the Reid rumours. The idea of having Kelly in charge for a few games then bringing in someone else worries me; we need a proper decision now and a manager to get behind. If the board are as ruthless as they made out yesterday then they should be able to make a decision on a manager now, not faff about for a few weeks. I had rather thought that they'd have someone in mind for a replacement yesterday when they got rid of Craig, but it seems as if that isn't the case, which I find worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 The reason Reid is apparently favourite now I honestly believe is because Mr Barber heard that rumour going around (which to me felt like Cov fans on a wind-up) and phoned Reid about 1/2 hour after Levein's sacking to see if he'd be interested. This singling out of Reid by our local press obviously would have gotten through to the nationals. I don't know if we're interested in him at all. It seems strange to me that Davies would say the day before Levein goes that Reid wouldn't take over, and yet the day after Levein goes he's the favourite. I was watching Central News this afternoon and to be honest a feeling of dread came over me when they listed the favourites for the job as Reid, McAllister and Dublin. But I suppose we must remember that newspapers etc are rarely right about these things at the beginning, McAllister was top of the list to be our manager last time and nothing came of that. That said I'm not sure if the fact that we seem to have no ideas about a replacement doesn't unsettle me more than the Reid rumours. The idea of having Kelly in charge for a few games then bringing in someone else worries me; we need a proper decision now and a manager to get behind. If the board are as ruthless as they made out yesterday then they should be able to make a decision on a manager now, not faff about for a few weeks. I had rather thought that they'd have someone in mind for a replacement yesterday when they got rid of Craig, but it seems as if that isn't the case, which I find worrying. It was only the same last time around when Adams left. The board had Bassett and Wilko in charge for a few games whilst they decided who was the best man for the job, etc. I know it's a little different as Adams resigned but they must have known he was going to leave as he tried to resign 3 times before he eventually did do! I bet Davies has a list of managers he wants to interview, they obviously wait for a while to see who applies but it's essential we have someone in by the Wolves home match at the latest. Martin Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 It was only the same last time around when Adams left. The board had Bassett and Wilko in charge for a few games whilst they decided who was the best man for the job, etc. I know it's a little different as Adams resigned but they must have known he was going to leave as he tried to resign 3 times before he eventually did do! I bet Davies has a list of managers he wants to interview, they obviously wait for a while to see who applies but it's essential we have someone in by the Wolves home match at the latest. Martin Allen I didn't really expect anyone in this week but I hoped to have someone in next week, definitely before Wolves. I just don't like indecision, the situation is different from the Adams one - then we had time to think about a new manager, we were in a safe place in the league and there were lots of games left - and we were after a manager for the long-term...now we just need someone to keep us up at the moment and they should come in as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicfox Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 Was in a tabloid this morning, said we were lining up Peter Reid as the favorite. But.... Ian Holloway and Mike Newell are being linked too Im playing Fm06 atm, managing blackpool and a news article has just come up saying Leicester sack levein, and Ian Holloway being touted as new manager, this is in the game btw. Some freaky shit going on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 [...] Maybe the task appealed to Reid’s vanity and he thought he could repeat what he achieved initially at Sunderland in the late Nineties. Back then, with his belief in motivation and hard work, coupled with Niall Quinn and Phillips, a strike force that defences couldn’t seem to handle, it appeared that Reid had lucked upon a winning formula. But he ran out of ideas a long time ago and Coventry fans were soon trotting out the familiar grumbles about unimaginative football, negative tactics, players deployed out of position and crowd favourites being sidelined. Reid saw which way the wind was blowing and quit, although there’s still a chance that, come May, he’ll have had a hand in three successive relegations with three different clubs. Still, at least Mike McGinnity got the consistency he was looking for. Just read all of that and it certainly makes me want Reid less than I did (and I didn't want him at all) - but it also makes me think of Eric Black as a replacement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 Just read all of that and it certainly makes me want Reid less than I did (and I didn't want him at all) - but it also makes me think of Eric Black as a replacement... Certainly, he was exceptional at Cov when Gary Mac left. GM's win ratio was 27% and Blacks 50% at cov. I haven't double checked that so don't string me up if i'm out a lilttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 Black would also be a decent appointment and it would irritate the imbeciles down the road, which is always nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh1884 Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 Black would also be a decent appointment and it would irritate the imbeciles down the road, which is always nice. I live amongst them and they are indeed imbeciles. would be magic to really piss them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 I live amongst them and they are indeed imbeciles. would be magic to really piss them off. You live out Cov way? That must be unpleasant for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh1884 Posted 26 January 2006 Share Posted 26 January 2006 You live out Cov way? That must be unpleasant for you? very. surrounded by scum. the ridicule I've suffered of late outside my own home on matchdays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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