Disgrace!

[Southern Fox]

don't be a complete tit. He's paying to watch your club. did you see the second half? I stayed till the end but should'vr gone home at half time.

Thanks bud. Im sure some people just dont understand what loyalty is!

[DBEightyFive]

Miners Strike Mate, Leicester & Notts pits refused to strike, therefore feelings still run very high in the North of England, Remember it must have been hard to see your livelyhood get booted into touch by that cow Thatcher

The miners strike was years ago so why in the hell did I see loads of little twats that can't of been more than 16 singing along with it. WTF would they know about it?

[Mikey]

'Tis very disappointing when this happpens. Don't they want to savour a win.

[Thracian]

Miners Strike Mate, Leicester & Notts pits refused to strike, therefore feelings still run very high in the North of England, Remember it must have been hard to see your livelyhood get booted into touch by that cow Thatcher

Cow Thatcher!

What a ridiculously simplistic comment.

That smug self-serving hypocrite Blair has presided over the destruction of whole swathes of British manufacturing industry. Such events are not exclusively restricted to one political party or another.

They are basically down to economics and choice.

Mrs Thatcher gave working people as great a genuine gift as anyone - the right to own their own home be it their previously rented council house or whatever.

Since then socialists have imposed the ever increasing council tax (after all the political carping about the Poll tax), Gordon Brown has his housebuyers charter which effectively steals more money from the people who've earned it and saved it, if he could get away with it, there is no limits to what grab in inheritance tax in yet another form of legalised theft.

And all the while his socialist cronies increase their own salaries by staggering percentages compared to others, claim staggering expenses compared to others and shit on our soldiers who they've sent abroad to get killed in an endlessly cruel war which few believe we have any right to be involved in.

Lord only knows how much good could be done for the price of all the bombs, the shells, the bullets, the medical costs and all the other expense being incurred in this largely pointless and ineffective conflict but I tell you this.

In my view Britain was in a far better state under Mrs Thatcher than it is now under this lot of greedy, deceitful and hypocritical bullshitters who daren't even keep their promises of a referendum on Europe and who have wasted billions while spending your money like there was no tomorrow.

But whether it's really better doesn't matter.

I've just driven past the vast now-boarded production plant that was once the Ryton Peugeot site in Coventry - closed during Tony Blair's watch.

Go to Stoke and Worcester to see what's going on where famous factories once manufactured their wares and which have now transferred their production to the Far East under Blair's administration....

The miners at least got some worthwhile compensation at the end of their "shift" and compensation as often as not for the scourge of industrial lung disease and the like.

I was raised in a mining area and many mineworkers either bought their houses, bought a holiday home abroad or set up new businesses when the pits closed. They might have grumbled about Thatcher to their mates in the pub but they took the money quickly enough and many of them never looked back.

Millions were spent on the redevelopment and redignifying of Coalville and District and the bringing in of new work so the area never again had to rely for its welfare on one type of work.

Truth is no human being should have to earn his living breathing coal dust while tunneling deep into the earth - it's a job for machines where possible.

Former mineworkers today show tourists around the colliery or the Science Museum or work in the forestry industry or in all sorts of other environments breathing clean air in the light of day. Some are picking up rental income from their former house or from their new pad in Spain.

I don't hear many wishing they were back in the lift going down the mineshaft.

[ronnup]

Cow Thatcher!

What a ridiculously simplistic comment.

That smug self-serving hypocrite Blair has presided over the destruction of whole swathes of British manufacturing industry. Such events are not exclusively restricted to one political party or another.

They are basically down to economics and choice.

Mrs Thatcher gave working people as great a genuine gift as anyone - the right to own their own home be it their previously rented council house or whatever.

Since then socialists have imposed the ever increasing council tax (after all the political carping about the Poll tax), Gordon Brown has his housebuyers charter which effectively steals more money from the people who've earned it and saved it, if he could get away with it, there is no limits to what grab in inheritance tax in yet another form of legalised theft.

And all the while his socialist cronies increase their own salaries by staggering percentages compared to others, claim staggering expenses compared to others and shit on our soldiers who they've sent abroad to get killed in an endlessly cruel war which few believe we have any right to be involved in.

Lord only knows how much good could be done for the price of all the bombs, the shells, the bullets, the medical costs and all the other expense being incurred in this largely pointless and ineffective conflict but I tell you this.

In my view Britain was in a far better state under Mrs Thatcher than it is now under this lot of greedy, deceitful and hypocritical bullshitters who daren't even keep their promises of a referendum on Europe and who have wasted billions while spending your money like there was no tomorrow.

But whether it's really better doesn't matter.

I've just driven past the vast now-boarded production plant that was once the Ryton Peugeot site in Coventry - closed during Tony Blair's watch.

Go to Stoke and Worcester to see what's going on where famous factories once manufactured their wares and which have now transferred their production to the Far East under Blair's administration....

The miners at least got some worthwhile compensation at the end of their "shift" and compensation as often as not for the scourge of industrial lung disease and the like.

I was raised in a mining area and many mineworkers either bought their houses, bought a holiday home abroad or set up new businesses when the pits closed. They might have grumbled about Thatcher to their mates in the pub but they took the money quickly enough and many of them never looked back.

Millions were spent on the redevelopment and redignifying of Coalville and District and the bringing in of new work so the area never again had to rely for its welfare on one type of work.

Truth is no human being should have to earn his living breathing coal dust while tunneling deep into the earth - it's a job for machines where possible.

Former mineworkers today show tourists around the colliery or the Science Museum or work in the forestry industry or in all sorts of other environments breathing clean air in the light of day. Some are picking up rental income from their former house or from their new pad in Spain.

I don't hear many wishing they were back in the lift going down the mineshaft.

She took my bloody milk. I can see this one getting heated, Coalville was lucky with the Bardon project, if it wasn't for the motorways nearby weed have been scewed. Many places in Yorkshire only just getting investment now.

[MPH]

That's simply explained. We had lost all our ambition, the game was won and there was no purpose in staying any longer. Taggart showed that he is no different from anyone else. Get what's necessary to win and shut up shop. One day we'll appoint someone special but Taggart is nothing special despite the chants.

Also I suspect many fans were sick of watching the referee. If he could find an excuse how he loved to blow his whistle. Why do the authorities employ such people if it's not for some sort of positive discrimination purposes?

For job satisfaction, he'd be better off in in a band.

that is an absolutely disgraceful thing to say.

Why does the colour of his skin have anything to do with him being crap?

There are plenty of crap white referees. The fact he is asian means he was only allowed to become a ref because of that? you are nothing short of a joke when you say things like that.

You say some really dumb things but that one has got to of topped the lot.

[Thracian]

The miners strike was years ago so why in the hell did I see loads of little twats that can't of been more than 16 singing along with it. WTF would they know about it?

Such events become folklore. They are passed down from father to son because some fathers feel the need to fill their sons minds with their own idealologies instead of letting their sons think for themselves.

It is a problem all over the world, unfortunately.

Because filling peoples minds with anything is all very well if it's correct.

But if a million parents input flawed information and ideals, that's a lot of misguided people by the time their sons have had sons and all their brains have been filled with the same shit.

[MPH]

Such events become folklore. They are passed down from father to son because some fathers feel the need to fill their sons minds with their own idealologies instead of letting their sons think for themselves.

It is a problem all over the world, unfortunately.

Because filling peoples minds with anything is all very well if it's correct.

But if a million parents input flawed information and ideals, that's a lot of misguided people by the time their sons have had sons and all their brains have been filled with the same shit.

that certainly seems to be the case

[Hullfox]

that is an absolutely disgraceful thing to say.

Why does the colour of his skin have anything to do with him being crap?

There are plenty of crap white referees. The fact he is asian means he was only allowed to become a ref because of that? you are nothing short of a joke when you say things like that.

I agree with you completely

[Thracian]

that is an absolutely disgraceful thing to say.

Why does the colour of his skin have anything to do with him being crap?

There are plenty of crap white referees. The fact he is asian means he was only allowed to become a ref because of that? you are nothing short of a joke when you say things like that.

You say some really dumb things but that one has got to of topped the lot.

I said it because I could see no normal reason he would have been selected for that level of officiating.

And don't come the shock horror.

Uriah Rennie officiated at a decent level yet was always appalling whenever I watched him and it was often said that he was accepted because the authorities wanted to encourage more referees from non-white backgrounds.

I have no problem with that whasoever, any more than I have a problem with female referees. Yesterday's referee would have earned my criticism had he been white.

What I cannot understand was why he would have been selected for that level at all. I would have thought the last thing the authorities wanted was anyone who continually stops the game for every petty infringement.

Nor can I believe his performance was a one off. Fussy referees are fussy referees. Yet he was selected and the fact he wouldn't let the game flow did nothing to help the game at all.

If the authorities really want to encourage referees from non-white backgrounds why the hell don't they pick some good ones? Or are you saying there aren't any which, personally, I simply don't believe.

PS:

Just to be clear. From an ethnic point of view I wouldn't give a shit if all the referees from from a non-white background if they were good.

It was me wanted Paul Ince as manager. And you lot who trashed the idea.

But I wanted him cos I believed him the best candidate available.

[Father Ted]

The ref wasn't that bad I didn't think

He didn't get any of the key decisions wrong did he?

I agree, but he was a bit too silly and how he didn't at least give a yellow card to the player who tripped John up was a bit surprising.

[volpeazzurro]

Here here. I thought it was great to see an Indian ref, though I must admit to wondering what on earth his motivation to become one! Alas you just knew there'd be a few dumb ****s yelling Paki this and Paki that, but many of those sitting near me were calling him Monty which i thought was quite funny and complimentary really. It's a shame he lost the plot a few times, but on the whole I thought he did a good job as refs go.

As for people leaving early, it was understandable on tuesday given the shite we were watching but I was surprised to see it today given we were winning for a change!

The ref wasn't particularly spectacular but a lot better than many we've had in this league. If he was a bad ref however it's hardly got anything to do with his natioality or skin colour! Racism is a scourge which isn't by the way the preserve of white Englishmen, there are mindless bigots from all cultures/races. The term 'Paki' however does tend to reveal the ignorance of his tormentors somewhat as the headware he had on tended to show that he was possibly Sikh! There again such finer points possibly wouldn't be known by those ignorant idiots. My personal view again was that he wasn't too bad at all, possibly a bit gullable to players play acting. We don't of course know what experience he's had thus far though. Either way, great to see a win and I thought some of the players played with a bit more freedom now that Megson's gone!

Regards.

[Raj]

To add to that discrace i heard this bloke sat near me shout

" USELESS FCKING PAKI "

Several times. Directed at the ref.

Yes the bloke was a shit ref but theres no need for that whatsoever!

And did YOU do anything about the bloke chanting Paki this Paki that???

Until decent people say something to idits like this,they will think they can get away with it.

We had a twat in L1 who was non stop slaging the ref off.

He was escorted out in the 2nd half.

The ref may have been crap( i personally didnt think he was THAT bad) but he wouldn't have got as much shit as he did if we was a white lad would he?

Also I suspect many fans were sick of watching the referee. If he could find an excuse how he loved to blow his whistle. Why do the authorities employ such people if it's not for some sort of positive discrimination purposes?

For job satisfaction, he'd be better off in in a band.

Dont understand these views of yours Thrac.

He used to be a linesman and why shouldnt he be given a chance to referee.

He wasn't great BUT no worse than some ref,so why would he be better off in a band???

And some people may have needed to leave early for personal reasons.Dont mean they aint all disloyal moaning whinging fans are they?

Some may just need to get out to avoid the rush.

If there is a night game and im on nights i leave a couple of mins early as i have to be a t work,does that make me disloyal???

[filbertway]

And did YOU do anything about the bloke chanting Paki this Paki that???

Until decent people say something to idits like this,they will think they can get away with it.

We had a twat in L1 who was non stop slaging the ref off.

He was escorted out in the 2nd half.

The ref may have been crap( i personally didnt think he was THAT bad) but he wouldn't have got as much shit as he did if we was a white lad would he?

Dont understand these views of yours Thrac.

He used to be a linesman and why shouldnt he be given a chance to referee.

He wasn't great BUT no worse than some ref,so why would he be better off in a band???

And some people may have needed to leave early for personal reasons.Dont mean they aint all disloyal moaning whinging fans are they?

Some may just need to get out to avoid the rush.

If there is a night game and im on nights i leave a couple of mins early as i have to be a t work,does that make me disloyal???

He likes blowing his whistle, he might also like to blow other musical instruments if he likes it so much, and then put his work into a band?

[Floating Fox]

Raj, I agree completly. Lots of people complaining about it on here, but they won't do anything about it. They won't tell them to shut up or complain to stewards etc.

[Thracian]

I agree with you completely

We weren't talking about other referees we were talking about this one.

In my view he was awful - forever disrupting the flow of the game unnecessarily and for such petty things. I couldn't understand how he had reached this level. And after reading what Manwell had to say I am even more bewildered.

[Raj]

He likes blowing his whistle, he might also like to blow other musical instruments if he likes it so much, and then put his work into a band?

Get it ..Cheers!

Raj, I agree completly. Lots of people complaining about it on here, but they won't do anything about it. They won't tell them to shut up or complain to stewards etc.

Exactly! I had to complain to a steward about the twat in our end and he was out in the 2nd...even his mates seemed embaressed!

No use just sitting there and let him continue,DO something about it if you feel that strongly.

A quiet word with a steward will suffice!

We weren't talking about other referees we were talking about this one.

In my view he was awful - forever disrupting the flo of the game unnecessarily and for such petty things. I couldn't understand how he had reached this level. And after reading what Manwell had to say I am even more bewildered.

Im not arguing if he was awful or not,im just stating that he was more under the microscope from the second the game kicked off,as he was'different' to most refs!!!

As far as im aware he didnt get many CRUCIAL decisions wrong did he???

And its not like other we aint had 'normal' refs at Walkers who have been crap and made crucial decisions wrong!!

[filbertway]

Get it ..Cheers!

Just making sure

[davieG]

I think we're missing an opportunity to criticise those that arrive late - Disloyal arses!!!!!

[ronnup]

I think we're missing an opportunity to criticise those that arrive late - Disloyal arses!!!!!

what about the punks that go for a beer whislt the game is on? Damn them all. In fact, Damn everyone

[davieG]

what about the punks that go for a beer whislt the game is on? Damn them all. In fact, Damn everyone

They should build 30,000 aparments on top of the East Stand so that we never have to leave

[Matt]

I think we're missing an opportunity to criticise those that arrive late - Disloyal arses!!!!!

Now that really does do my head in, Not only are they missing the first 5 minutes (There choice) there making me miss the first 5 minutes by standing on the steps searching for there seats, then there's a big backlog of people waiting behind them, all blocking my view.

[davieG]

Now that really does do my head in, Not only are they missing the first 5 minutes (There choice) there making me miss the first 5 minutes by standing on the steps searching for there seats, then there's a big backlog of people waiting behind them, all blocking my view.

I refer you to ronup's post the pie eaters and beer drinkers are much worse.

[Thracian]

Get it ..Cheers!

Exactly! I had to complain to a steward about the twat in our end and he was out in the 2nd...even his mates seemed embaressed!

No use just sitting there and let him continue,DO something about it if you feel that strongly.

A quiet word with a steward will suffice!

Im not arguing if he was awful or not,im just stating that he was more under the microscope from the second the game kicked off,as he was'different' to most refs!!!

As far as im aware he didnt get many CRUCIAL decisions wrong did he???

And its not like other we aint had 'normal' refs at Walkers who have been crap and made crucial decisions wrong!!

I don't know that he got any crucial decisions wrong. He was a damn sight closer to the action than me. Besides any referee can get decisions wrong. But they don't have to stop the game every excuse they get.

If you apply the laws to the nth degree it is like the law of the land, you can forever find something that someone is doing wrong. This guy just never stopped being fussy.

The game stops enough as it is, particularly with the number of substitions that can now be made without the referees making it worse without good reason.

Do you and others seriously dispute that the authorities want to encourage more non-white referees to come forward? Because as far as I understand there's a shortage of officials so the policy would be perfectly understandable. And I am 100% sincere when I say that I would love that to happen.

But not if it quality drops and we have to put up with fussiness like that.

As for other referees I've already talked about em - last season particularly, when, had we been talking about a wine vintage, I'd have probably thrown 75% down the drain, often for the sort of reasons I've mentioned here.

[Raj]

Now that really does do my head in, Not only are they missing the first 5 minutes (There choice) there making me miss the first 5 minutes by standing on the steps searching for there seats, then there's a big backlog of people waiting behind them, all blocking my view.

Oh Matt,you are a funny bloke!

Think you should be a steward,as no one would dare even move!

You'd have everyone thrown out!!!

'You out for chewing gum.

'You out for sipping your tea too noisly'

'You out for clappin'

'Youn out for not clapping'

'You out for coming in late'

'You out for leaving early'