Disgrace!

[Matt]

Rightio.

Don't know what else i've said apart from people coming late blocking a view i've paid for but if you say so

[Joe.]

Thracian there's absolutely no way the referee was as bad as you say he was.

The only bad thing he really got wrong was not booking the player who tripped John on the edge of the area. You could call him whistle happy but if there's fouls occuring then what's he supposed to do?

[davieG]

Oh Matt,you are a funny bloke!

Think you should be a steward,as no one would dare even move!

You'd have everyone thrown out!!!

'You out for chewing gum.

'You out for sipping your tea too noisly'

'You out for clappin'

'Youn out for not clapping'

'You out for coming in late'

'You out for leaving early'

You're out for trying to enter the stadium!!! Sod off we don't want any fans (well not watching this shite anyway )

[Raj]

I don't know that he got any crucial decisions wrong. He was a damn sight closer to the action than me. Besides any referee can get decisions wrong. But they don't have to stop the game every excuse they get.

If you apply the laws to the nth it is like the law of the land, you can forever find something that someone is doing wrong. This guy just never stopped being fussy.

The game stops enough as it is, particularly with the number of substitions that can now be made without the referees making it worse without good reason.

Do you and others seriously dispute that the authorities want to encourage more non-white referees to come forward? Because as far as I understand there's a shortage of officials so the policy would be perfectly understandable. And I am 100% sincere when I say that I would love that to happen.

But not if it quality drops and we have to put up with fussiness like that.

As for other referees I've already talked about em - last season particularly, when, had we been talking about a wine vintage, I'd have probably thrown 75% down the drain, often for the sort of reasons I've mentioned here.

Refs get done for NOT applying the law.

You cant use comon sense.

He probably knew he had to blow up when he did else he would have got reprimanded by his chief.

We may slag him off as fans,but if his chief said he did everything rght then he had a good game!

I agree you shouldn't just have non white refs just for the sake of it,but we need to give them a chance in orer to enocourage non whites to attend football.

If guys like Mr Singh dont get a chance then younger asians and blacks wont ever think about trying in sports as a profession.

Just remember,some may not be bothered he was a singh but other would have been waiting to have a go as soon as he fcuked something up!

Give em a chnace!

[Raj]

I was singing "Loyal Supporters" at them. Prats.

Rightio.

Don't know what else i've said apart from people coming late blocking a view i've paid for but if you say so

Only joking Matt!

Dont get the hump pal!

Just remembered you slaging them off for leaving early too!!!

[Thracian]

Refs get done for NOT applying the law.

You cant use comon sense.

He probably knew he had to blow up when he did else he would have got reprimanded by his chief.

We may slag him off as fans,but if his chief said he did everything rght then he had a good game!

I agree you shouldn't just have non white refs just for the sake of it,but we need to give them a chance in orer to enocourage non whites to attend football.

If guys like Mr Singh dont get a chance then younger asians and blacks wont ever think about trying in sports as a profession.

Just remember,some may not be bothered he was a singh but other would have been waiting to have a go as soon as he fcuked something up!

Give em a chnace!

If you cannot use common sense how come so many good referees manage to keep a game flowing while lesser refs don't?

I'm all for giving people a fair chance - but not a favoured chance.

It's the same with Kaebi and Ferreira.

I see no reason why they should get a first team place on the back of indifferent performances any more than anyone else.

[Raj]

If you cannot use common sense how come so many good referees manage to keep a game flowing while lesser refs don't?

I'm all for giving people a fair chance - but not a favoured chance.

It's the same with Kaebi and Ferreira.

I see no reason why they should get a first team place on the back of indifferent performances any more than anyone else.

Perhaps,like players, some refs just get better with experience.

Just like Kisnorbo....

Remeber Thrac...'He used to be shite...BUt now hes alright!!!'

And i agree people should only be given jobs if they are good enough not cos of the colour of the skin.

Thats why i am head of BNP Public relations.

[Thracian]

Perhaps,like players, some refs just get better with experience.

Just like Kisnorbo....

Remeber Thrac...'He used to be shite...BUt now hes alright!!!'

And i agree people should only be given jobs if they are good enough not cos of the colour of the skin.

Thats why i am head of BNP Public relations.

[MPH]

I said it because I could see no normal reason he would have been selected for that level of officiating.

And don't come the shock horror.

Uriah Rennie officiated at a decent level yet was always appalling whenever I watched him and it was often said that he was accepted because the authorities wanted to encourage more referees from non-white backgrounds.

I have no problem with that whasoever, any more than I have a problem with female referees. Yesterday's referee would have earned my criticism had he been white.

What I cannot understand was why he would have been selected for that level at all. I would have thought the last thing the authorities wanted was anyone who continually stops the game for every petty infringement.

Nor can I believe his performance was a one off. Fussy referees are fussy referees. Yet he was selected and the fact he wouldn't let the game flow did nothing to help the game at all.

If the authorities really want to encourage referees from non-white backgrounds why the hell don't they pick some good ones? Or are you saying there aren't any which, personally, I simply don't believe.

PS:

Just to be clear. From an ethnic point of view I wouldn't give a shit if all the referees from from a non-white background if they were good.

It was me wanted Paul Ince as manager. And you lot who trashed the idea.

But I wanted him cos I believed him the best candidate available.

if you dont care about someones skin colour at all why even bring it into the occasion?

[Phube]

The main thing I'll criticise the ref for was his complete lack of control in the first half when Barnsley (who seem to have the lowest pain threshold of any football team (outside of Arsénal)) cheated taking their free kick to let their 'injured' player on the pitch!!

He told them to get on with it 3 times and still they didn't!! A yellow card should have been shown!!

[Hullfox]

Thracian

The ref was no worse than anybody else we've had this season. A foul is a foul and if he see's it and there's no advantage he can allow, he has to blow his whistle.

On quite a few occasions he allowed the game to flow, waving away appeals for free kicks and acknowledging the linesman's flagging for offside. That for me is allowing the game to flow.

The criticism that I would make if any is that had he not given his first yellow card so soon, we may not have seen as many as we did. If nothing else, he appeared consistent in his decision making and that's good for players and spectators alike.

As for my earlier comment agreeing with MPH, I agreed with his concern over your comments. You have a knack whether it is intended or not to state things that can be interpreted as being on the verge. That atagonises people.

Why do the authorities employ such people if it's not for some sort of positive discrimination purposes?

I said it because I could see no normal reason he would have been selected for that level of officiating

I'm all for giving people a fair chance - but not a favoured chance.

That's how it came across to me.

[Thracian]

if you dont care about someones skin colour at all why even bring it into the occasion?

Reference was made to the racist chanting by Barnsley fans otherwise I certainly wouldn't have brought it up.

There was no such chanting in my section of the ground and no great reference to the referee either.

Most of the fans around me seemed to be asleep for most of the second half because it was fairly clear that nothing more of any consequence was likely to happen.

[Thracian]

Thracian

The ref was no worse than anybody else we've had this season. A foul is a foul and if he see's it and there's no advantage he can allow, he has to blow his whistle.

On quite a few occasions he allowed the game to flow, waving away appeals for free kicks and acknowledging the linesman's flagging for offside. That for me is allowing the game to flow.

The criticism that I would make if any is that had he not given his first yellow card so soon, we may not have seen as many as we did. If nothing else, he appeared consistent in his decision making and that's good for players and spectators alike.

As for my earlier comment agreeing with MPH, I agreed with his concern over your comments. You have a knack whether it is intended or not to state things that can be interpreted as being on the verge. That atagonises people.

That's how it came across to me.

You make good enough points but you sidestep debate on the central issue which relates to the performance of non-white referees in relation to their inspiring others of their kind to take up the game. Indeed you make no reference at all to Uriah Rennie.

Lots of people aspire to be top referees. Uriah Rennie somehow stayed one for years.

Raj rightly refers to the need to encourage aspiring Asian referees etc - something I wholeheartedly agree with - but I'd argue Rennie set that cause back a long way instead of taking it forward because he was so often awful and was forever surrounded by controversy, often of his own making.

Yet still - and inexplicably to me - he retained high status in refereeing circles for so long. But you make no comment on that.

We clearly disagree about the performance of yesterday's referee but while agreeing in principle with what you say about refereeing requirements that still does not address the fact that some of the best referees are far less officious than others, far less inclined to stop the game than others - yet are successfully applying the same laws.

I have always agreed with the idea of fair opportunities and fair treatment for everyone - long before it was so high on the politically correct agenda. However what I don't agree with is the idea of some being treated more fairly than others.

Yesterday's referee didn't strike me as Championship standard and Manwell's comment didn't suggest to me that he'd just had an off day. I may of course be wrong - and would be happy to admit it were it demonstrated - but that's how it seemed to me. Some clearly agreed with me and others thought he was okay.

However perhaps on reflection he wasn't the best conduit for my point because I accept that perhaps I am more irritated by endless stoppages in football matches than most. I think they are unnecessary, spoil the flow of the game and it is not the first time I have complained about it. I find all referees who constantly blow their whistle irritating.

Indeed the increasing disregard by managers, players, referees and even fans for the kind of football we're served is perhaps the main reason I'm looking forward so much to my golf next season even if, by some fluke we get promoted.

Then I won't give a shit who referees or how.

[Floating Fox]

Thracian there's absolutely no way the referee was as bad as you say he was.

The only bad thing he really got wrong was not booking the player who tripped John on the edge of the area. You could call him whistle happy but if there's fouls occuring then what's he supposed to do?

Yeah I agree joe, I thought he was alright.

I can't see how he's got so much stick.

Sometimes I think people go to the walkers to maon at the ref.

[Thracian]

Yeah I agree joe, I thought he was alright.

I can't see how he's got so much stick.

Sometimes I think people go to the walkers to maon at the ref.

I didn't moan at the ref once. After some of last season's refs I rarely bother now.

There are people who compile football statistics and it would be great to have someone register the total stoppage time in a 90 minutes match and some breakdown of how that was made up.

At least it would prove a point or otherwise.

I would also like to see referees penalise players who time waste - either by standing on the ball at free-kicks, by sauntering off the field when they are substituted or goalkeepers who take unnecessarily long to get the ball back in play from their goalkicks as the game draws to an end.

[Anish]

Thracian - why do you always have to have the last word? Somebody can interpret your posts and justify their interpretation (like Hullfox has done) but you always end up responding by twisting the facts or referring to something besides the point. No wonder posters get irritated and it ends up in heated argument.

I for one agree with MPH/Hullfox - your reference to "such people" and bringing Mr Singh's race into the equation was completely unnecessary. As most people have acknowledged, he was whistle happy but no worse than other refs we've seen this season, so why do you feel the need to berate and criticise? Surely it's become the norm now to see rubbish referees, but you don't bring it up every week when it's a white ref do you?

Say what you what in response, I've made my point.

[Staf]

I used to leave games a few minutes early when i collected autographs but know i dont collect them so i never leave early

[Manwell Pablo]

I said it because I could see no normal reason he would have been selected for that level of officiating.

And don't come the shock horror.

Uriah Rennie officiated at a decent level yet was always appalling whenever I watched him and it was often said that he was accepted because the authorities wanted to encourage more referees from non-white backgrounds.

I have no problem with that whasoever, any more than I have a problem with female referees. Yesterday's referee would have earned my criticism had he been white.

What I cannot understand was why he would have been selected for that level at all. I would have thought the last thing the authorities wanted was anyone who continually stops the game for every petty infringement.

Nor can I believe his performance was a one off. Fussy referees are fussy referees. Yet he was selected and the fact he wouldn't let the game flow did nothing to help the game at all.

If the authorities really want to encourage referees from non-white backgrounds why the hell don't they pick some good ones? Or are you saying there aren't any which, personally, I simply don't believe.

PS:

Just to be clear. From an ethnic point of view I wouldn't give a shit if all the referees from from a non-white background if they were good.

It was me wanted Paul Ince as manager. And you lot who trashed the idea.

But I wanted him cos I believed him the best candidate available.

As I said, normally he's a lower league ref, maybe he had a couple of good games and got knocked up a level (it is possible)

[Thracian]

Thracian - why do you always have to have the last word? Somebody can interpret your posts and justify their interpretation (like Hullfox has done) but you always end up responding by twisting the facts or referring to something besides the point. No wonder posters get irritated and it ends up in heated argument.

I for one agree with MPH/Hullfox - your reference to "such people" and bringing Mr Singh's race into the equation was completely unnecessary. As most people have acknowledged, he was whistle happy but no worse than other refs we've seen this season, so why do you feel the need to berate and criticise? Surely it's become the norm now to see rubbish referees, but you don't bring it up every week when it's a white ref do you?

Say what you what in response, I've made my point.

And that could have been that except that your point is made on the back of a totally misleading statement because I have criticised "white refs" stacks of times, particularly last season and have not brought the subject of Mr Singh or any other referee up "every week" in any case.

Furthermore the "such people" you mentioned referred to whistle happy referees not race and that is perfectly obvious except perhaps to someone who prefers to think otherwise. The positive discrimination was the only reason I could think of for elevating such a fussy referee.

In many ways I wish Mr Singh had been white. Because then I could have questioned how he was considered to be Championship standard and complained about his fussiness without any undue reaction at all.

As it is I think it's a pity he wasn't an outstanding ref yesterday because he might then have been an inspiration to others. Perhaps in time he will be as Raj suggests. Stranger things have happened.

However, if you think he was no worse than any other ref that's your view. There are even some agree with you. I'm just not one of them but it is certainly not the first time I've been critical of a fussy referee by any means. Someone elsewhere has talked about pet prejudices. Well whistle happy referees are one of mine. That's all whistle happy referees by the way - in case you're wondering.

[kyleolly]

i dont mind so much people leaving early its up to them i personally pay alot of money to watch city so im want to try to get my moneys worth what really pisses me off is people leaving there seat and watchin the game from the stairs

[BigGibbo]

It was also Kick Racism out of football day, which makes it even more of a disgrace!

:laugh: :laugh:

Not laughing at what was said but just find the notion that you should be less tolerant of racism on certain days of the year quite funny

As an aside i chose the lets kick racism out of football campaign to do an assignment on for my humanities coursework at school got a B if i remember rightly

[The People's Hero]

I was singing "Loyal Supporters" at them. Prats.

Cock.

[morris1234]

i dont mind so much people leaving early its up to them i personally pay alot of money to watch city so im want to try to get my moneys worth what really pisses me off is people leaving there seat and watchin the game from the stairs

yeah because then you wont have to climb over the seats to get down the stairs at full time because some idiots are just standing there!

[The People's Hero]

And that could have been that except that your point is made on the back of a totally misleading statement because I have criticised "white refs" stacks of times, particularly last season and have not brought the subject of Mr Singh or any other referee up "every week" in any case.

Furthermore the "such people" you mentioned referred to whistle happy referees not race and that is perfectly obvious except perhaps to someone who prefers to think otherwise. The positive discrimination was the only reason I could think of for elevating such a fussy referee.

In many ways I wish Mr Singh had been white. Because then I could have questioned how he was considered to be Championship standard and complained about his fussiness without any undue reaction at all.

As it is I think it's a pity he wasn't an outstanding ref yesterday because he might then have been an inspiration to others. Perhaps in time he will be as Raj suggests. Stranger things have happened.

However, if you think he was no worse than any other ref that's your view. There are even some agree with you. I'm just not one of them but it is certainly not the first time I've been critical of a fussy referee by any means. Someone elsewhere has talked about pet prejudices. Well whistle happy referees are one of mine. That's all whistle happy referees by the way - in case you're wondering.

That's an absolute load of bollocks.

Your racist tendencies pervade each and every one of your 'sermons' on here.

Denying it like this just flags it up even more.

I'd have banned you long ago. It reflects on the forum and those who run it that posts like yours are allowed to remain.

[morris1234]

That's an absolute load of bollocks.

Your racist tendencies pervade each and every one of your 'sermons' on here.

Denying it like this just flags it up even more.

I'd have banned you long ago. It reflects on the forum and those who run it that posts like yours are allowed to remain.

and breath.....