Dave_Trevaskus Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 The reason he ended up on gardening leave last time was pretty much because we were strapped at the time and had just had to pay CL off, surely? I think bearing in mind you (LCFC) got £300k for Megson who hadn't been there for 5 minutes, I'd imagine our board (PAFC) would be asking for at least £500k-£750k. From a "players to take" point of view, you're welcome to Rory Fallon!! Seriously, Norris, Halmosi and Ebanks-Blake are our best players, along with Seip at centre back, all of which are under contract for the next couple of years. The other 15 who are out of contract this coming summer are a different matter!! I'd expect to see a couple at your place next season, but not in January. Gosling is a superb talent, but is only 17 and has a lot to learn before being a CCC first team regular. From a personal point of view, I hope he's shite and gets sacked, that way meaning he won't get another job on account that he's a lying b@stard. He only gets jobs on his personality and that's now in question. I hope you get someone in after him that will show you some loyalty. Best of luck to you (the fans, not your new manager) except Feb 9th, when I suspect Hollowtwat will be getting a few shiny new autobiographies thrown at him - some seriously unwanted Xmas presents to come in Plymouth I think!!
Joe. Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 Plymouth fan here. Greetings.Yes of course my club are messing Mandaric and Hollowhead around by considering the resignation on Friday. Do you blame them? I'm sure your club would do the same if it was the other way around. Whichever way you look at it, your club has tried to poach our manager on the cheap and my club is furious. So much so that don't be surpised if we make a stand and put Hollowhead on gardening leave. By the way, if you finally get your man, don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Its all lies to boost his own popularity. But good luck to you. He's a damn good manager. I don't agree with that to be honest. The way I see it is we approached your chairman, he says no. Holloway wants to come here, what else is he supposed to do except resign so then he can come to us? And what else is our club supposed to do if we approached your chairman and he says no? The chances are that Holloway's resignation will be rejected just so we have to negotiate some sort of compensation package for Plymouth.
newms Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 Some recent Holloway Quotes "Ask anybody who knows me how I feel about Plymouth Argyle and they will tell you the truth. If you need me to say it again, I'm in love with the place. It's absolutely magnificent. "Ask my players who I'm trying to talk into staying here how Ian Holloway feels about Plymouth Argyle. I think they will tell you the truth. "It's all poppycock, if I'm allowed to use that word. It's absolutely pathetic. But the media is a very powerful thing and, unfortunately, a rumour can become a bigger rumour."
Jordan Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 I'd be doing the same thing Holloway is in this situation. I'd say exactly what he's saying and I'd still jump ship to go to Leicester. So what if I have a falling out with Milan after two months, then I'd get a hefty settlement. I'd get at least one year's pay for doing two month's work.
hollowhead Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 Actually no, we let Megson go and talk to Bolton.It looks like the plymouth board think they can get more money from milan by sueing Holloway for breech of contract, than the cash Milan was offering them. They are just wasting time. ! No comparison really! Hollowhead is valued much more by us than Megson was by you (or anyone else for that matter), I'm sure you'll agree. Why should we not hold out for more money. Hollowhead has a contract and is a top Championship manager. Why should managers be valued less than players? He'd be worth £1m+ as a player. Plus he has done the dirty on us big time, and somebody somewhere has obviously not been playing by the book. This is not just about Hollowhead, its about fairness.
Blue Bob Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 Plymouth fan here. Greetings.Yes of course my club are messing Mandaric and Hollowhead around by considering the resignation on Friday. Do you blame them? I'm sure your club would do the same if it was the other way around. Whichever way you look at it, your club has tried to poach our manager on the cheap and my club is furious. So much so that don't be surpised if we make a stand and put Hollowhead on gardening leave. By the way, if you finally get your man, don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Its all lies to boost his own popularity. But good luck to you. He's a damn good manager. I can see where you are comiong from but I really dont see the point. All it does is cause massive friction between the clubs and makes your board look like a bunch of babies. Football has always been like this, a manager leaves at a higher level i.e. Bolton, they take our manager, we take your manager and you take someone elses manager. This is really no different to any other job people leave and new people come in to fill their job. If Plymouth make a stand they will just make themselves look foolish and completely out of touch with the business they are in. Dont get me wrong I feel for you and your club - we have had many manager poached off us Little and O'neil to mention a few and it is bloody annoying but thats life!!! Hope you find yourself another good manager soon.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 ! No comparison really! Hollowhead is valued much more by us than Megson was by you (or anyone else for that matter), I'm sure you'll agree.Why should we not hold out for more money. Hollowhead has a contract and is a top Championship manager. Why should managers be valued less than players? He'd be worth £1m+ as a player. Plus he has done the dirty on us big time, and somebody somewhere has obviously not been playing by the book. This is not just about Hollowhead, its about fairness. Fair enough on pretty much all of your points except the compensation thing. I'd be worried if I were you about this £230,000 figure that keeps getting bandied about in the press. Sounds like a fairly low getout clause to me.
Dave_Trevaskus Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 ! No comparison really! Hollowhead is valued much more by us than Megson was by you (or anyone else for that matter), I'm sure you'll agree.Why should we not hold out for more money. Hollowhead has a contract and is a top Championship manager. Why should managers be valued less than players? He'd be worth £1m+ as a player. Plus he has done the dirty on us big time, and somebody somewhere has obviously not been playing by the book. This is not just about Hollowhead, its about fairness. Am a fellow pilgrim mate, but nobody has been unfair except hollowtwat. Argyle have done everything in their own best interests, and LCFC have done it in the right manner. It's not a Dowie from Palace to Charlton affair, it's just proof that Ian H is a lying ****.
Manwell Pablo Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 Just tried to get odds on Sturrock not out yet suppose it is a little early
Fez of Mahrez Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 Don't get us wrong, we love you being here. But we've had all this guff about loyalty from a bunch of MK Dons fans about five months ago and whether we liked him or not, Megson did it to us in between times too. It's football. Let's get on with it.
The Stig Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 I do feel sorry for Plymouth as Ian has showed them no loyalty, but he has to look to futher his career, just like Megson did with us. But having said that I'm very excited about the prospect of Ian Holloway as our manager and can't wait until I get to see the first game of the Ollie revolution.
Ric Flair Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 You lot didn't play ball over the Peter Gilbert transfer either, kept dragging it out for a higher price. You owe us big time for that shit box. We'll take Holloway for a pittance and be done with it.
Blue Bob Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 ! No comparison really! Hollowhead is valued much more by us than Megson was by you (or anyone else for that matter), I'm sure you'll agree.Why should we not hold out for more money. Hollowhead has a contract and is a top Championship manager. Why should managers be valued less than players? He'd be worth £1m+ as a player. Plus he has done the dirty on us big time, and somebody somewhere has obviously not been playing by the book. This is not just about Hollowhead, its about fairness. Not sure I agree about Holloway doing the dirty on you more than Megson, We gave Megson a job after 18 months of being unemployed when no one would give him a job - he lasted 6 weeks before jumping ship to the premiership - I think that qualifies as doing the dirty. Though I do agree with you that many of us were pleased to see the back of him due to the terrible football he plays. As for holding out for more money - usually you get what is in the contract or linked to his salary so the chances of you getting a million are very unlikely. Usually both clubs decide to move on as quickly as possible to ensure that results are not affected. If you hold out for a long time this could be damaging to your club as well as your search for a new manager.
Koke Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 I do feel sorry for Plymouth as Ian has showed them no loyalty, but he has to look to futher his career, just like Megson did with us. But having said that I'm very excited about the prospect of Ian Holloway as our manager and can't wait until I get to see the first game of the Ollie revolution. No such thing as loyalty in football anymore. Its just that he should keep his mouth shut and not go on banging about it and then piss of at the first oppoturnity. If he just got on with his job at Plymouth and didn't start waffling about all that loyalty rubbish then I'm sure most Plymouth fans wouldn't be fuming right now.
hollowhead Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 Am a fellow pilgrim mate, but nobody has been unfair except hollowtwat. Argyle have done everything in their own best interests, and LCFC have done it in the right manner. It's not a Dowie from Palace to Charlton affair, it's just proof that Ian H is a lying ****. Totally agree with you my fellow Janner that nothing is wrong from Argyle's side, but it looks like this was initially orchestrated through the media by someone way before any approach. Probably Hollowhaead himself though via his media contacts
Fat Ron Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 I think bearing in mind you (LCFC) got £300k for Megson who hadn't been there for 5 minutes, I'd imagine our board (PAFC) would be asking for at least £500k-£750k.From a "players to take" point of view, you're welcome to Rory Fallon!! Seriously, Norris, Halmosi and Ebanks-Blake are our best players, along with Seip at centre back, all of which are under contract for the next couple of years. The other 15 who are out of contract this coming summer are a different matter!! I'd expect to see a couple at your place next season, but not in January. Gosling is a superb talent, but is only 17 and has a lot to learn before being a CCC first team regular. From a personal point of view, I hope he's shite and gets sacked, that way meaning he won't get another job on account that he's a lying b@stard. He only gets jobs on his personality and that's now in question. I hope you get someone in after him that will show you some loyalty. Best of luck to you (the fans, not your new manager) except Feb 9th, when I suspect Hollowtwat will be getting a few shiny new autobiographies thrown at him - some seriously unwanted Xmas presents to come in Plymouth I think!! The figure I heard was around £250k... Just out of interest, how long is/was left on his contract? That will have an impact on any pending compo claims.
Manwell Pablo Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 In footballing terms Ian Holloway has always struck me as the loyal type. But If he isn't going to be backed with money he isn't going to take Plymouth forward, no one will. He's been given an oppurtunity to build a team here. As Fez says we are fed up with hearing loyalty this loyalty that we had all this guff with Allen. No one in football is loyal anymore.
hollowhead Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 No such thing as loyalty in football anymore. Its just that he should keep his mouth shut and not go on banging about it and then piss of at the first oppoturnity. If he just got on with his job at Plymouth and didn't start waffling about all that loyalty rubbish then I'm sure most Plymouth fans wouldn't be fuming right now. Spot on, that is what grates most. Its what makes him look a complete fraud and us feel like fools for actually believing him. I used to think he was one of the last genuine people in football, now he's proved himself to be worse than most. Hopefully he'll learn to keep his mouth shut from now on. I doubt it though.
Dave_Trevaskus Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 Real shame, I never had any problem with Leicester, but because of this cock I'm hoping they suffer (on the pitch only) as long as Judas is in charge - just like Stoke with Pulis. Do you lot still have Peter Gilbert?!!! £250,000 for him was excellent, proper comedy - we did you good and proper there!!!
Koke Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 In footballing terms Ian Holloway has always struck me as the loyal type. But If he isn't going to be backed with money he isn't going to take Plymouth forward, no one will. He's been given an oppurtunity to build a team here.As Fez says we are fed up with hearing loyalty this loyalty that we had all this guff with Allen. No one in football is loyal anymore. Its not that Manwell. Its the fact that he himself Mr Holloway has been banging on about it for ages at Plymouth. And what does he do? He fecks off at the first chance. Im also fed up with loyalty this and loyalty that but managers should't be go on lying to the fans.
Finnegan Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 I love all these gobby, oh-so-wise Plymouth fans coming over here warning us not to be deceived and so on. It's like taking advice on romance from a first-burnt twelve year old. We've been there and done that, boys, leave out the clichés - it's getting dull. We're not naive.
Joe. Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 Plymouth fans- You're in Holloway's shoes. Would you stay at Plymouth? I don't think so. He's been offered much more money here with the attraction of being given money to buy players, something he didn't exactly have at Plymouth. This club is undoubtedly bigger than Plymouth, bigger fan base, bigger stadium and more stable finances. You can go on about loyalty but like the others have said, it just doesn't exist in football anymore. Holloway's had a good offer and he';s accepted it. You'd all do the same too.
Dave_Trevaskus Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 The figure I heard was around £250k...Just out of interest, how long is/was left on his contract? That will have an impact on any pending compo claims. 16 months into a 3 year deal. 20 months of a £250,000 a year contract is £416,000. I guess we'll end up with £300,000 and be grateful we got enough to cover the cost of Rory Fallon.
BigGibbo Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 Holloway . . . we could definitely do worse.
Fat Ron Posted 21 November 2007 Posted 21 November 2007 16 months into a 3 year deal.20 months of a £250,000 a year contract is £416,000. I guess we'll end up with £300,000 and be grateful we got enough to cover the cost of Rory Fallon. I think that would be about right
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