Head Honcho Posted 4 February 2008 Posted 4 February 2008 Was he visiting him as a friend or as a constituent? He's a long time friend of the accused and should be treated as such "a Long time friend of a suspected terrorist fundraiser" If he was visiting a suspected terrorist fundraiser as an MP I'd like to know why!!! Why is an MP lobbying on behalf of a suspected terrorist fundraiser?
DB11 Posted 4 February 2008 Posted 4 February 2008 Was he visiting him as a friend or as a constituent? A constituent
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 4 February 2008 Posted 4 February 2008 I see nothing wrong with the bugging myself. Too right and it is up to the law-abiding, anti-terrorist Muslim majority to pinpoint those potential terrorists IMHO.
Head Honcho Posted 4 February 2008 Author Posted 4 February 2008 The keyword is suspected. ............but how many MP's go around visiting terror suspects? It doesn't really matter what he's suspected of MP's do not go around everyday visiting their constituents in 50 miles away in prison. He was visiting him as a friend and I suspect the police knew this and so felt justified in bugging him.
Daggers Posted 4 February 2008 Posted 4 February 2008 He was visiting him as a friend and I suspect the police knew this and so felt justified in buggering him. **** me! It almost makes you hanker for the good old days when they just shoved you down a staircase, eh?!
Head Honcho Posted 4 February 2008 Author Posted 4 February 2008 **** me! It almost makes you hanker for the good old days when they just shoved you down a staircase, eh?!
Rincewind Posted 4 February 2008 Posted 4 February 2008 perhaps he was that rare kind of friend that believed him to be innocent and wouldn't abandon him becauise of a scaremongering tabloid headline. I'm sure many on here would also stick by a fellow foxestalk member in their hour of need.
Rincewind Posted 4 February 2008 Posted 4 February 2008 ............but how many MP's go around visiting terror suspects?It doesn't really matter what he's suspected of MP's do not go around everyday visiting their constituents in 50 miles away in prison. He was visiting him as a friend and I suspect the police knew this and so felt justified in bugging him. I thought it was a MP's job to support their consstuants and work on their behalf. I'd be pretty miffed if my local MP refused to help me if I was arrested for a crime I didn't do. Was the MP also trained as a lawer?
Ultra Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 He was. Looks like the Met have some questions to answer over this. Apparently ministers were not told that the MP was being bugged.
Raj Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 MP= Muslim Jailed Constituent=Muslim Osama Bin Laden=Muslim Imran Khan(Cricketer)=Muslim Aamir Khan(boxer)=Muslim Elvis Hammond(ankle)=Muslim Get the link????
Steven Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 He was.Looks like the Met have some questions to answer over this. Apparently ministers were not told that the MP was being bugged. I am quite happy to bug MPs (if it is non political) however it would seem that this bugging has been carried out at the behest of a foreign Government and I find that aspect particularly worrying. All the Americans have to do is ask nicely and the British Police will go out and bug anyone in the UK. The Metropolitan Police are a group of people out of control and need to be reined in quickly.
surrifox Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance " thank your lucky stars someone is prepared to the dirty work so you can get on a tube train with a reasonable chance of leaving with both your legs
Dr The Singh Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 Although I have no problems in bugging suspects, including MP's but the law is the law and regardless of race or circumstances the MET should not have broken them!!!
LeeCovFox Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance " thank your lucky stars someone is prepared to the dirty work so you can get on a tube train with a reasonable chance of leaving with both your legs I'm absolutely sick of this crap which seeks to justify taking away freedom in the cause of protecting it. The terrorist issue is not as big as certain people would have us believe. When will some people realise that it is in the interests of some to have us scared? It makes it a damn sight easier for governments to pass what in the past would have been regarded as intrusive laws if they are so inclined. The problem of terrorism, in this country at least, was far worse, and far more regular, in the days of Irish Republican terrorism. Balls to eternal vigilance, I'm going to carry on living my life as I choose and I expect to be able to do so with no interference, within reason of course. If some nutter wants to stick a rucksack on and kill people, it will be done. It cannot be stopped by any law, only good police work. I could quite easily look up information right now on how to make one of these bombs and use it in any shopping centre tomorrow. Which law is it which will prevent me from doing so? And whats more, the more people talk about curbing certain civil liberties, the more I actually sympathise with the bastards who feel like their only way out is to maim (not their actions I hasten to add, but certainly their helplessness - noone wants to kill themselves, they do it when they feel they have no other choice).
Dr The Singh Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 I'm absolutely sick of this crap which seeks to justify taking away freedom in the cause of protecting it. The terrorist issue is not as big as certain people would have us believe. When will some people realise that it is in the interests of some to have us scared? It makes it a damn sight easier for governments to pass what in the past would have been regarded as intrusive laws if they are so inclined. The problem of terrorism, in this country at least, was far worse, and far more regular, in the days of Irish Republican terrorism. Balls to eternal vigilance, I'm going to carry on living my life as I choose and I expect to be able to do so with no interference, within reason of course. If some nutter wants to stick a rucksack on and kill people, it will be done. It cannot be stopped by any law, only good police work. I could quite easily look up information right now on how to make one of these bombs and use it in any shopping centre tomorrow. Which law is it which will prevent me from doing so? And whats more, the more people talk about curbing certain civil liberties, the more I actually sympathise with the bastards who feel like their only way out is to maim (not their actions I hasten to add, but certainly their helplessness - noone wants to kill themselves, they do it when they feel they have no other choice). Not quite true, some people are brain washed into believing it's the ulitmate sacrifice and will give them everlating joys for themselves and there families in the afterlife, and that they are doing gods will!!!
LeeCovFox Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 Not quite true, some people are brain washed into believing it's the ulitmate sacrifice and will give them everlating joys for themselves and there families in the afterlife, and that they are doing gods will!!! I was thinking more in terms of some of the Palestinian bomber. I can understand their desperation to a degree, being practically in lockdown in your own home. I should have been more specific, I agree certainly that many of these fanatics are brain washed. But I think the reaction of the west makes it far easier for fundamentalists to find and manipulate such vulnerable people.
Dr The Singh Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 I was thinking more in terms of some of the Palestinian bomber. I can understand their desperation to a degree, being practically in lockdown in your own home. I should have been more specific, I agree certainly that many of these fanatics are brain washed. But I think the reaction of the west makes it far easier for fundamentalists to find and manipulate such vulnerable people. Even in Palestine, children as young as 5 are taught the same doctrine, jihad and qurbani misgivings give a avid sense of acceptance to a helpless society!!!
Ultra Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 Even in Palestine, children as young as 5 are taught the same doctrine, jihad and qurbani misgivings give a avid sense of acceptance to a helpless society!!! In Palestine the Israelis make the fundamentalists' job very easy for them, by killing children on a regular basis. Not all religious extremists are Muslims, by any means. Bugging MPs is seriously out of order. Apart from being illegal, it shows massive disrespect for the communities who elect them.
Dr The Singh Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 In Palestine the Israelis make the fundamentalists' job very easy for them, by killing children on a regular basis.Not all religious extremists are Muslims, by any means. Bugging MPs is seriously out of order. Apart from being illegal, it shows massive disrespect for the communities who elect them. Very true, nor did i even insinuate the thought, many democracies have have carried out acts of genocide or even state terrorism!!
Steven Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance " thank your lucky stars someone is prepared to the dirty work so you can get on a tube train with a reasonable chance of leaving with both your legs "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania (1759)
Manwell Pablo Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 Do you think we could change the name of this thread? to like spied on or something? I keep miss reading the title as "MP Buggered visiting contituent in Prison......"
LeeCovFox Posted 5 February 2008 Posted 5 February 2008 Do you think we could change the name of this thread? to like spied on or something? I keep miss reading the title as "MP Buggered visiting contituent in Prison......" Maybe thats what the thread is about really. Maybe we've all misread it and have been engaging in a debate entirely different to the one which was intended. If he did visit a prison and was buggered, it serves him right. He shouldn't have visited the showers should he? Hasn't he heard the stories?
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