Cobbo Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Ah he was not successful at Blackburn - he flirted with relegation with a good deal of money - then Hughes took over and was in the top half. Souness is piss poor.
Guest lcfc80 Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Where has Souness been successful? Where has Gregory been successful?Allardyce had success at Bolton. Grant came 2nd and got to 2 finals. Souness and Gregory are failures. you need to do some research on Souness my friend as you seem to know not as much as you think about him
Katy Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Even I don't procrastinate this much. Yes you bloody well do!
Guest lcfc80 Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Ah he was not successful at Blackburn - he flirted with relegation with a good deal of money - then Hughes took over and was in the top half. Souness is piss poor. got the promoted from the very division we got relegated from, then a top 6 finish in the Premier League, that is a FACT
Guest lcfc80 Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 got the promoted from the very division we got relegated from, then a top 6 finish in the Premier League, that is a FACT he also won the league cup with them
Cobbo Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 you need to do some research on Souness my friend as you seem to know not as much as you think about him I don't mate. What did he do with Liverpool? Newcastle? Galatasary? Blackburn? Rubbish. He's in the same category as Bryan Robson in failed managers living off their playing reputations. You have not backed up your points on him not being a failure once. So maybe you should do some research?
Tilley Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 got the promoted from the very division we got relegated from, then a top 6 finish in the Premier League, that is a FACT Thats wonderful, But I'm sure somebody said he was a has been, thats the point.
Cobbo Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 he also won the league cup with them Then started flirting with relegation with a good squad! Howard Wilkinson won the league once, get him in again.
Tilley Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Then started flirting with relegation with a good squad!Howard Wilkinson won the league once, get him in again. Don't forget Peter Reid, He did it too. How dare we forget
Sparky Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Big Ron won 85 FA Cup with United lets get him in !! Not a big Souness fan but he would be a far better pick than the latest 3 man shortlist
Guest lcfc80 Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Then started flirting with relegation with a good squad!Howard Wilkinson won the league once, get him in again. Souness's record with Blackburn is very similar as to martin o'neils until the very end, and no matter what way you try and twist it you can't deny it. He also had the same sort of success at rangers as M.o'N had at celtic
Guest lcfc80 Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Big Ron won 85 FA Cup with United lets get him in !!Not a big Souness fan but he would be a far better pick than the latest 3 man shortlist correct
Cobbo Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 The four years which followed were uneventful for Souness and disastrous for Liverpool. There was little success on the field, with only a 2-0 victory in the 1992 FA Cup final over Second Division Sunderland, but poor tactics, ill-judged transfer dealings and poor man management caused the decline of one of the greatest football clubs in Europe. In 1997, Souness was signed by SL Benfica's new chairman Vale e Azevedo, who promised to return the club to its old glories. The Scottish manager brought several British players from the Premier League (defenders Steve Harkness and Gary Charles, midfielders Michael Thomas and Mark Pembridge and forwards Dean Saunders and Brian Deane). After two unsuccessful seasons, Souness was sacked. All of Benfica's British footballers (including the previously signed left-back Scott Minto) would also leave the club. disappointing final season in 2003-2004 in which the club struggled, although they avoided relegation. After less than one month of the following season many Blackburn fans had begun to express grave doubts in Souness' handling of the club. His authoritarian methods had led to the alienation or departure of Yorke, Cole and Dunn. He could not be blamed for the long term loss of Matt Jansen to a motorbike accident or Damien Duff's departure to Chelsea. None of these players however were sufficiently replaced. Vratislav Gresko, Lorenzo Amoruso and Corrado Grabbi were all flops, whilst Steven Reid and Brett Emerton were also disappointing - although both shone for Blackburn after Souness' departure. Fans also became increasingly confused by Souness' tactical decisions. In spite of his undoubted successes at Ewood Park he is regarded with little fondness by the Blackburn faithful. Criticism of Souness's apparent lack of long term planning centred on a threadbare squad and a consequent vulnerability to injury. Expensive signings such as Jean-Alain Boumsong for £8 million and Albert Luque for £10 million failed to make an impression. By the end of his reign as Newcastle boss, Souness was deeply unpopular with the Newcastle fans, as evidenced by the frequency and vociferousness of "Souness Out" chants. Newcastle were in 15th place in the Premiership table, despite spending of £50m since Souness's arrival, when his contract was terminated on 2 February 2006. He was replaced by Glenn Roeder, who turned the season around, qualifying the team for European football.
Nationwider Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Souness's record with Blackburn is very similar as to martin o'neils until the very end, and no matter what way you try and twist it you can't deny it.He also had the same sort of success at rangers as M.o'N had at celtic I'd like to compare the funds that the two had. As for managing in Scotland, with all due respect to MON and GS, you could put a chimpanzee in charge of Rangers or Celtic and it would have a 50% chance of winning the league.
Guest lcfc80 Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 The four years which followed were uneventful for Souness and disastrous for Liverpool. There was little success on the field, with only a 2-0 victory in the 1992 FA Cup final over Second Division Sunderland, but poor tactics, ill-judged transfer dealings and poor man management caused the decline of one of the greatest football clubs in Europe.In 1997, Souness was signed by SL Benfica's new chairman Vale e Azevedo, who promised to return the club to its old glories. The Scottish manager brought several British players from the Premier League (defenders Steve Harkness and Gary Charles, midfielders Michael Thomas and Mark Pembridge and forwards Dean Saunders and Brian Deane). After two unsuccessful seasons, Souness was sacked. All of Benfica's British footballers (including the previously signed left-back Scott Minto) would also leave the club. disappointing final season in 2003-2004 in which the club struggled, although they avoided relegation. After less than one month of the following season many Blackburn fans had begun to express grave doubts in Souness' handling of the club. His authoritarian methods had led to the alienation or departure of Yorke, Cole and Dunn. He could not be blamed for the long term loss of Matt Jansen to a motorbike accident or Damien Duff's departure to Chelsea. None of these players however were sufficiently replaced. Vratislav Gresko, Lorenzo Amoruso and Corrado Grabbi were all flops, whilst Steven Reid and Brett Emerton were also disappointing - although both shone for Blackburn after Souness' departure. Fans also became increasingly confused by Souness' tactical decisions. In spite of his undoubted successes at Ewood Park he is regarded with little fondness by the Blackburn faithful. Criticism of Souness's apparent lack of long term planning centred on a threadbare squad and a consequent vulnerability to injury. Expensive signings such as Jean-Alain Boumsong for £8 million and Albert Luque for £10 million failed to make an impression. By the end of his reign as Newcastle boss, Souness was deeply unpopular with the Newcastle fans, as evidenced by the frequency and vociferousness of "Souness Out" chants. Newcastle were in 15th place in the Premiership table, despite spending of £50m since Souness's arrival, when his contract was terminated on 2 February 2006. He was replaced by Glenn Roeder, who turned the season around, qualifying the team for European football. nicely edited there from wiki
iancognito Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Where has Souness been successful? Where has Gregory been successful?Allardyce had success at Bolton. Grant came 2nd and got to 2 finals. Souness and Gregory are failures. Souness Rangers - 4 League titles & 3 Scottish League Cups Liverpool - FA Cup Winners Galatasaray - Turkish Cup Blackburn - Promotion back to Prem, League Cup Winners & Top 6 Finish Saying that he failed at Newcastle is like saying he ate burgers when he went to McDonalds. The last trophy winning manager at Newcastle was in the fifties. Can't argue that Gregory has a terrible record wherever he's been but Souness has some form.
Cobbo Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 nicely edited there from wiki Good innit Wasn't edited, just copied and pasted - still stand by my point, which is backed up pretty well there, that he is not a good manager. Having said that, he is better than Gregory, Pearson and Worthington as Sparky said. We will see.
Webbo Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Can't argue that Gregory has a terrible record wherever he's been. A 43% win ratio at Villa, better than MON at Villa.
Guest lcfc80 Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Yes, because someone has all the time in the world to do that. Get your tongue out of Sour-ness' japsey and look up the facts because it sounds about right to me. He won't want to slum it in League One anyway so move on chum. have a look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Sounes...nagerial_career then and see he left out the good bits then take your tongue out of Cobbo's japsey and look up the facts because it seems you know nothng about souness's managerial history.
Legend_in_blue Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 I'm proper fed up now. MM you are annoying. If you were to stick to deadlines like this in the proper business world, you'd be out by now. Everybody else sticks to their deadlines. You force season ticket holders to renew by 31 May, so like the mugs we are, we do. But yourself? No. You are a law unto yourself. We've then got ourselves right stitched up the first home game of the season. And you'll bring in some nobody as manager and it'll be Blackpool at home all over again. We are a laughing stock now, and come August 9, we'll further find ourselves red faced. Like many, I've now gone past caring - I really couldn't give two hoots who you bring in. The problem with this club isn't the mangers, isn't the players, isn't the backroom staff, isn't the fans. IT'S YOU and your crazy, incompetent, inept business decisions. Alan Sugar would give you the big F. You're FIRED!
FilboFox Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Delayed!?! For God's sake! I knew Mandaric was full of hot air but I at least thought hiring managers, something for which he seems to like doing, he would get on time at least! Deary me...
Legend_in_blue Posted 16 June 2008 Posted 16 June 2008 Delayed!?! For God's sake!I knew Mandaric was full of hot air but I at least thought hiring managers, something for which he seems to like doing, he would get on time at least! Deary me... It's pathetic.
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