The Ugly Face Of Britain

[Darkzzz_]

I keep looking on my web feeds at the news sites i am listed to and the familiar pattern always arises!!

Story after story seems to involve knife/gun crime, what is happening on our streets, in some of the people's minds!!!! ????

Take this for example: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/224...oss-murder.html

Two young men, following there dreams.

Such a horrible way to have your life taken away.

So much evil lives amongst us now it is very very alarming.

What is happening to society!!

[hairy]

That particular story is horrific.

Gun and knife crime is the flavour of the month of the media so expect a lot more.

[Dr The Singh]

I keep looking on my web feeds at the news sites i am listed to and the familiar pattern always arises!!

Story after story seems to involve knife/gun crime, what is happening on our streets, in some of the people's minds!!!! ????

Take this for example: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/224...oss-murder.html

Two young men, following there dreams.

Such a horrible way to have your life taken away.

So much evil lives amongst us now it is very very alarming.

What is happening to society!!

I was expecting a picture of Raj, this is definitely an improvement on that!!!

[MikeyT]

I keep looking on my web feeds at the news sites i am listed to and the familiar pattern always arises!!

Story after story seems to involve knife/gun crime, what is happening on our streets, in some of the people's minds!!!! ????

Take this for example: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/224...oss-murder.html

Two young men, following there dreams.

Such a horrible way to have your life taken away.

So much evil lives amongst us now it is very very alarming.

What is happening to society!!

That story is bloody horrific!

I posted a story a few days ago about an old lady being terrorized by a couple of 14 year old chavvy bitches. The world at the moment is beyond belief, and the scary thing is, there doesnt seem to be an end to it. Just as one story seems to be forgotten, another lurks its ugly head. What can be done?

[Daggers]

I was expecting a picture of Raj, this is definitely an improvement on that!!!

And there was me about to hunt for a picture.

[Darkzzz_]

Raj was put away finally, this was the last picture of him released today:

The Guy is a danger to all, it was for the best!

Oh and on the serious note about this topic, there must be shit loads of angry people out there!!

[davieG]

That particular story is horrific.

Gun and knife crime is the flavour of the month of the media so expect a lot more.

Agree, That's not to say that this sort of crime isn't horrific or even prevalent at the moment but the media is such a lazy bandwagon jumping profession. it wasn't that long ago horror stories about dogs attacking children were across every page and before that children going missing before that a paedophile living next door but one to everyone. Do you believe that these things have stopped happening?

No of course not but the media have become bored with them. Oh and how they 'love' this latest stabbing - a relative of a soap star, manner made in heaven for them!

[Master Fox]

243 stab wounds, that's pretty grim.

[purpleronnie]

Agree, That's not to say that this sort of crime isn't horrific or even prevalent at the moment but the media is such a lazy bandwagon jumping profession. it wasn't that long ago horror stories about dogs attacking children were across every page and before that children going missing before that a paedophile living next door but one to everyone. Do you believe that these things have stopped happening?

No of course not but the media have become bored with them. Oh and how they 'love' this latest stabbing - a relative of a soap star, manner made in heaven for them!

Absolutely.

[Darkzzz_]

Absolutely.

I second that, good post there!!

[hairy]

Agree, That's not to say that this sort of crime isn't horrific or even prevalent at the moment but the media is such a lazy bandwagon jumping profession. it wasn't that long ago horror stories about dogs attacking children were across every page and before that children going missing before that a paedophile living next door but one to everyone. Do you believe that these things have stopped happening?

No of course not but the media have become bored with them. Oh and how they 'love' this latest stabbing - a relative of a soap star, manner made in heaven for them!

You put things so much better than me

[DB11]

I was expecting a picture of Raj, this is definitely an improvement on that!!!

[James.]

Media bandwagon or not 2 seemingly innocent blokes got stabbed over 200 times and set alight down the road from me. Worrying.

[Zingari]

Media bandwagon or not 2 seemingly innocent blokes got stabbed over 200 times and set alight down the road from me. Worrying.

I agree ; the "just a media bandwagon" attitude , may be just as much a reflection on middle england attitudes that are largely unaffected by these everyday occurrences .

The press are only reporting what happened , the lazy attitude it seems, could be more to do with that of the British public

[James.]

I agree ; the "just a media bandwagon" attitude , may be just as much a reflection on middle england attitudes that are largely unaffected by these everyday occurrences .

The press are only reporting what happened , the lazy attitude it seems, could be more to do with that of the British public

There's also an attitude that suggests as soon as the media start reporting certain stories they are immediately on a "bandwagon". Not everything in the world can be tagged a bandwagon. There IS a problem in this country with violent crime. And in certain areas (i.e. London) it HAS got worse. Labelling it as a bandwagon gives people a convenient excuse to shy away from the truth.

[Zingari]

There's also an attitude that suggests as soon as the media start reporting certain stories they are immediately on a "bandwagon". Not everything in the world can be tagged a bandwagon. There IS a problem in this country with violent crime. And in certain areas (i.e. London) it HAS got worse. Labelling it as a bandwagon gives people a convenient excuse to shy away from the truth.

sadly, you are spot on there, methinks

[davieG]

There's also an attitude that suggests as soon as the media start reporting certain stories they are immediately on a "bandwagon". Not everything in the world can be tagged a bandwagon. There IS a problem in this country with violent crime. And in certain areas (i.e. London) it HAS got worse. Labelling it as a bandwagon gives people a convenient excuse to shy away from the truth.

As I said it's not to diminish the current problems but it's the cry wolf syndrome as well, the media make a big thing out of any current 'issue' so that when a real problem like this occurs it becomes just another media circus and it's hard for the average joe to work out which are the genuine issues.

It also subsequently affects the focus on genuine occurrences of 'old' issues, there are still dogs mauling children, there are still plenty of kids going missing, there are still plenty of paedophiles roaming about etc, I repeat do we hear about those - hardly.

[Zingari]

As I said it's not to diminish the current problems but it's the cry wolf syndrome as well, the media make a big thing out of any current 'issue' so that when a real problem like this occurs it becomes just another media circus and it's hard for the average joe to work out which are the genuine issues.

It also subsequently affects the focus on genuine occurrences of 'old' issues, there are still dogs mauling children, there are still plenty of kids going missing, there are still plenty of paedophiles roaming about etc, I repeat do we hear about those - hardly.

news items can't follow a equal distribution of time though

what is reported and given more air time are the issues that are more relevant at any particular time, and/or more shocking,

( for instance if this had happened around the time of 9/11 or 7/7 then it probably would have been relegated to a lesser degree of importance because of its lesser importance relative to those )

if a dog bites a child it probably is not front page news but if a child is killed then it is, its not a "cry wolf" attitude, its just reporting things as they happen ,

[Thracian]

By any standards this is an horrific crime and would have attracted headlines at any time.

Whether that is an indication of more evil being among us than in times past I don't know but I'd seriously doubt it.

Hitler was pretty evil and so were lots of people who spread and administered his word even before World War 11 began.

And, throughout our history, and that of other nations, there are constant tales of the barely describable things people did to one another. As a species we have much to answer for.

Today there are so many people in our country so there are doubtless more lunatics among us than there have ever been before.

What really angers me is that I'd bet £1 to a penny that whoever did this had likely shown their evil many times before.

Yet, doubtless due to a paper trail of restrictive legislation or directives, those responsible were free and able to carry out such a sickening attack. As are others we read about on a daily basis.

And sadly the social manipulators, experimenters and compulsive new-law makers that rule our land make all sorts of vague promises about tackling crime but don't really.

And they won't because their personal philosophies won't let them.

Today whole swathes of our society now get little help/sympathy/protection from any area of society be it Police, employers, administrators if they aren't flavour of the moment with the PC dictators. Not that there's historically anything new in that (Jews didn't get much protection in Hitler's Germany) but it doesn't make for a just administration.

And, for that reason I think there'll be more conflict in future, more discontent, more violence and a good amount of it will be down, not just to the (assumed) insanity highlighted by the crime mentioned in this thread, but to increasing frustration/perceived victimisation/opportunist power seeking in a crowded land which has been culturally raped by theorists whose thinking is so obviously and blatantly flawed.

The crime mentioned offers a simple example. If it's shown to have been committed by an historically dangerous man/men then our society should have been able to deal with the problem before it got to one of the most gruesome murders I've ever read about. How many should share responsibility for that not happening, but won't, I wonder.

I say that in part because victims are entitled to protection just as any accused criminal is entitled to a fair hearing but the victims are too often not getting that protection ... from the insane, from paedophiles, from travellers moving onto land they don't own, from street gangs, from drug dependents, etc etc.

Crime can be dealt with if you have the will. Not easily. And not always quickly. But effectively and justly.

But what you need is less legislation, not more. Simple unambiguous legislation that the huge majority of people can understand and which is not easily compromised.

Legislation which is based on sound principles which are constantly emphasised and broadly upheld as being fair and reasonable. Without real principles, morality if you like, you get voids of uncertainty that can easily become conductors for evil or wrongdoing.

You reap what you sow and it applies to nations as well as individuals.

And all that's without mentioning education and the value of sound family support.

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[purpleronnie]

I know the figures for this year wont be available until the end of the year, but people thinking these murders are out of control should realise murder rate has dropped significantly over the last 10 years in fact last year it dropped by a massive 9%.

[Darkzzz_]

It Cetainly does not feel like it....

I must add. Thrac's post is spot on, although i think we need to approach crime very differently,or should i say the government do.

The justice system is shocking in this country, criminals do not fear prison, the streets are being taken over by kids boasting about there weapons, we are a country living in fear, I know it is easy to point the finger at the government but i feel they have let us down in a massive way, i think the crime culture in some ways has been used by a lot of politicians, they play it to the public, making promises, hard promises, just to get there seat in parliment.

Will it ever change? What really can be done to change this culture??

A lot of people say bring back the death penalty...

[l444ry]

I know the figures for this year wont be available until the end of the year, but people thinking these murders are out of control should realise murder rate has dropped significantly over the last 10 years in fact last year it dropped by a massive 9%.

The problem with this is that the figures you quote are probably government or home office statistics, collated by the same massage merchants who say that overall recorded crime is down 3% while inflation is 3%.

[Raj]

Little cvnts need shooting!

Britain is too fcuking soft at the moment.

I blame Chavs

[l444ry]

Crime Figures On The Increase, Or Decrease, Depending On How You Look At It.

Statistics - they're misleading, aren't they? Crime in the UK is soaring out of control, according to a report out today. But, in a complete contradiction, another report says crime levels have stabilised, and, if it is to be believed, could even be decreasing.

The two reports have created more than a little confusion amongst experts, and laughter amongst the rest of the population, particularly those hard-nosed criminals who are committing the crimes, or not, as the case might be.

Crime in general in the United Kingdom is down 13.4%, but with violent crime against the person up a massive 84.63%, and crimes against animals up 4.2%, overall crime (that is, crime committed whilst wearing overalls), was up 29.4%.

Stabbings, gun crime and murder were all up in England, whilst elsewhere in the UK, they were "out of control". Riding a bike with no lights was down, as was riding on the pavement, but there was a sharp increase in rape.

In the Midlands, crimes such as shoplifting and shirlifting rose a staggering 67.2%, whilst in Scotland, drug crime and mispronouncing the English language broke all previous records, much to the dismay of the police, who pronounce it no better.

Analysts say that the figures show that, depending on who you want to believe, and on how you look at the figures, crime could be up or down, but you should be careful to make your own mind up, and not be so easily led into believing just anything you see on the news or read in the papers.

[Thracian]

Crime Figures On The Increase, Or Decrease, Depending On How You Look At It.

Statistics - they're misleading, aren't they? Crime in the UK is soaring out of control, according to a report out today. But, in a complete contradiction, another report says crime levels have stabilised, and, if it is to be believed, could even be decreasing.

The two reports have created more than a little confusion amongst experts, and laughter amongst the rest of the population, particularly those hard-nosed criminals who are committing the crimes, or not, as the case might be.

Crime in general in the United Kingdom is down 13.4%, but with violent crime against the person up a massive 84.63%, and crimes against animals up 4.2%, overall crime (that is, crime committed whilst wearing overalls), was up 29.4%.

Stabbings, gun crime and murder were all up in England, whilst elsewhere in the UK, they were "out of control". Riding a bike with no lights was down, as was riding on the pavement, but there was a sharp increase in rape.

In the Midlands, crimes such as shoplifting and shirlifting rose a staggering 67.2%, whilst in Scotland, drug crime and mispronouncing the English language broke all previous records, much to the dismay of the police, who pronounce it no better.

Analysts say that the figures show that, depending on who you want to believe, and on how you look at the figures, crime could be up or down, but you should be careful to make your own mind up, and not be so easily led into believing just anything you see on the news or read in the papers.

So much seriously upsetting but relatively minor crime either goes unreported or fails to result in prosecution for a variety of reasons including the fact that it's not easy or PC to encourage prosecution of some categories of alleged offenders but also because so many victims have lost all faith in the police and the systems within which they have to work.

If that sounds theoretical it's not. Only yesterday evening a builder acquaintance told us that he had £2,000 worth of tools stolen in raids on successive nights this week. He had no intention of involving the police and in fact is making considerable and quite imaginative efforts to catch the people himself and I sincerely hope he succeeds.

I also know that a jewellery & mobile phone thief was apprehended three times at Melton market over a short period of time recently, together with his accomplices. However, despite the ringleader's school age accomplice being caught with a wad of money and his girlfriend being caught in possession of goods she'd stolen to order, there was to be be no procecution resulting from any of the matters despite police involvement in two of the instances.

At Leicester market, on every given day, there are thefts which go either unreported or without further consequence even though, again, one thief was caught by my adjoining stallholder only last week.

It's not even hard to spot the thieves. I could build a fascinating photoshot for the police files in quite a short time. But, the police really wouldn't welcome it and, despite having full-time security patrols at the market, there is no credible deterrent.

All told I know of perhaps a dozen crimes that have not become part of the statistics since Christmas including one fairly big jewellery theft.

And that's just me being one individual commenting on this locality. Imagine if you added the input of thousands of people across the rest of the country. The evidence is clear that "reduced crime" claims and the stats on which they're based have no credence whatsoever.