Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[urban.spaceman]

Here's the "energy prices have gone up under Labour's Net Zero context graph"

 

 

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

I love your optimism, i however am the opposite, i don't see anything resembling a state pension when i reach 67, the Country is at financial breaking point. 

82% of current borrowing is to pay off previous borrowing

More than 50% of UK households, now take out more in benefits and public services, than they put in. 

With rising bills due to net zero, business costs will just continue to rise, taxes will keep going up as business and high tax rate payers move away, and whilst Labour are in, public sector unions know strikes will undoubtadly result in pay rises the Country can barely afford, so longer waiting lists and less appointments.

And all this whilst we welcome half the third world to fill the quota for amazon and just eat jobs. 

Exactly. There should be a cutoff point. If you earn over £100k p.a and work a minimum of 70 hours a week, you are allowed to access LIMITED state services such as health and education, and a basic state pension. Anyone below this should only be able to access services at a private sector rate. Certainly should not be getting a state pension.

E.g. weekly bin collection should be around £175 per bin, that's what a monopoly private contractor would charge.

If you are right in saying half the third world population is coming in, by my maths, that is 3.35bn people, if they work the minimum required hours, that is 234.5bn extra man hours into the UK. That would make up for all the lazy tradesman who are in the pub at 5pm everyday.

It's time to make a Britain for the working British man.

 

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Whilst we're going along this splinterdream trend, can I add Stephen Mulhern, David Dickinson, Michael MacIntyre, Ed Sheeran, Kate Beckinsale and Lewis Capaldi all of whom I find moderately annoying and so would like to add them to the list.

 

Probably above most politicians if I'm honest.

Edited 21 October 2025 by Trav Le Bleu

[Zear0]

42 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Whilst we're going along this splinterdream trend, can I add Stephen Mulhern, David Dickinson, Michael MacIntyre, Ed Sheeran, Kate Beckinsale and Lewis Capaldi all of whom I find moderately annoying and so would like to add them to the list.

 

Probably above most politicians if I'm honest.

Beckinsale?  The ultimate fantasy.

[Trav Le Bleu]

46 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Beckinsale?  The ultimate fantasy.

All looks no substance.

[Parafox]

2 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Exactly. There should be a cutoff point. If you earn over £100k p.a and work a minimum of 70 hours a week, you are allowed to access LIMITED state services such as health and education, and a basic state pension. Anyone below this should only be able to access services at a private sector rate. Certainly should not be getting a state pension.

E.g. weekly bin collection should be around £175 per bin, that's what a monopoly private contractor would charge.

If you are right in saying half the third world population is coming in, by my maths, that is 3.35bn people, if they work the minimum required hours, that is 234.5bn extra man hours into the UK. That would make up for all the lazy tradesman who are in the pub at 5pm everyday.

It's time to make a Britain for the working British man.

 

 

 

The second sentence seems to contradict the first, unless I'm missing something.

 

 

[Parafox]

31 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

All looks no substance.

Mrs Para says that about me 

[splinterdream]

6 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Here's the "energy prices have gone up under Labour's Net Zero context graph"

 

 

Energy price cap has gone up twice since labour has been in charge, but millibands net zero spend has come out of general taxation, with GB energy, a project where milliband get billions of pounds that go to fund hair brained schemes such as carbon capture, or research into cloud seeding to block the sun, or giving £11.6bn to overseas for climate action, or to make wealthy labour donors like Dale Vince richer than he already is. Ah Dale Vince, theres another one.

Edited 21 October 2025 by splinterdream

[Jattdogg]

.....Current city squad.....

 

 

 

 

 

[CornwallFox]

4 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

All looks no substance.

My kinda girl

[CornwallFox]

16 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

Energy price cap has gone up twice since labour has been in charge, but millibands net zero spend has come out of general taxation, with GB energy, a project where milliband get billions of pounds that go to fund hair brained schemes such as carbon capture, or research into cloud seeding to block the sun, or giving £11.6bn to overseas for climate action, or to make wealthy labour donors like Dale Vince richer than he already is. Ah Dale Vince, theres another one.

GB energy, putting solar panels onto schools and hospitals to cut the costs of running them. 

Who are building a brand new energy infrastructure not controlled by privatised energy firms that charge based on gas prices over multiple years but everybody somehow thinks it should have happened in a year. 

[splinterdream]

3 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

GB energy, putting solar panels onto schools and hospitals to cut the costs of running them. 

Who are building a brand new energy infrastructure not controlled by privatised energy firms that charge based on gas prices over multiple years but everybody somehow thinks it should have happened in a year. 

We are a nads whisker away from blackouts, solar panels are lovely but as someone that has them, they produce sweet at this time of year. Would this new energy infrastructure involve chinese solar panels and windmills?

[leicsmac]

7 hours ago, splinterdream said:

We are a nads whisker away from blackouts, solar panels are lovely but as someone that has them, they produce sweet at this time of year. Would this new energy infrastructure involve chinese solar panels and windmills?

It's darkly funny how a lot of the West continue to look down their noses at China while they're currently accelerating away from us on almost every metric concerning progressive infrastructure to guarantee the future. 

 

The same hubris from the other side - "we're no.1 so why try harder" - was one of the key reasons that led to the Opium Wars and the "Century of Humiliation" for China. Something to consider before we keep thinking they're somehow inferior. 

[Zear0]

7 hours ago, splinterdream said:

We are a nads whisker away from blackouts, solar panels are lovely but as someone that has them, they produce sweet at this time of year. Would this new energy infrastructure involve chinese solar panels and windmills?

Are we? 

[urban.spaceman]

2 hours ago, Zear0 said:

Are we? 

No. 

[splinterdream]

4 hours ago, Zear0 said:

Are we? 

Yes

[HighPeakFox]

3 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

Yes

Were. Once. 

[splinterdream]

5 hours ago, leicsmac said:

It's darkly funny how a lot of the West continue to look down their noses at China while they're currently accelerating away from us on almost every metric concerning progressive infrastructure to guarantee the future. 

 

The same hubris from the other side - "we're no.1 so why try harder" - was one of the key reasons that led to the Opium Wars and the "Century of Humiliation" for China. Something to consider before we keep thinking they're somehow inferior. 

China have a totalitarian government with their citizens under a social credit system, do we want to be doing business with a government that runs their country like that? Furthermore what arr their ambitions for the West?

[leicsmac]

19 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

China have a totalitarian government with their citizens under a social credit system, do we want to be doing business with a government that runs their country like that? Furthermore what arr their ambitions for the West?

The UK already does business with a lot of governments that might be considered abhorrent, without the benefit that China has of actually being forward-looking as well as objectionable in terms of style of government. I don't really see a reason to clutch pearls without being a hypocrite there.

 

Their ambitions, I think, are the long game. Their massive energy infrastructure investment in many places shows this. The West can either look to match them in kind on that, or fall behind and let them have the power that will come from being best-placed in the world that is changing and will change more - no matter how much people bask in their own denial about the laws of thermodynamics. 

 

Edit: pedantry here, but North Korea is totalitarian. China is authoritarian. 

Edited 22 October 2025 by leicsmac

[splinterdream]

15 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

The UK already does business with a lot of governments that might be considered abhorrent, without the benefit that China has of actually being forward-looking as well as objectionable in terms of style of government. I don't really see a reason to clutch pearls without being a hypocrite there.

 

Their ambitions, I think, are the long game. Their massive energy infrastructure investment in many places shows this. The West can either look to match them in kind on that, or fall behind and let them have the power that will come from being best-placed in the world that is changing and will change more - no matter how much people bask in their own denial about the laws of thermodynamics. 

 

Edit: pedantry here, but North Korea is totalitarian. China is authoritarian. 

I would say a government that shuts down your life via a social credit system if you're not compliant and obediant is totalitarian.

 

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

I would say a government that shuts down your life via a social credit system if you're not compliant and obediant is totalitarian.

 

 

I think that the differences in levels of personal freedoms in a place like China and like North Korea are rather large, but each to their own. 

 

My earlier points about the UK trade policy and China (as much as their government appears to be horrible) being best placed among the leading powers to meet the coming future still stand. 

[urban.spaceman]

14 hours ago, splinterdream said:

Energy price cap has gone up twice since labour has been in charge,

No, it's fluctuated, as it is designed to do with reviews every quarter. It's currently lower now than it was in the spring. Labour doesn't have any direct control over Ofgem but it does set the long term policy which is going to lower bills over the next few years. 

 

14 hours ago, splinterdream said:

but millibands net zero spend has come out of general taxation,

It comes from a mix of sources like taxation, borrowing, and private investment. It depends on the project. 

 

14 hours ago, splinterdream said:

with GB energy, a project where milliband get billions of pounds that go to fund hair brained schemes such as carbon capture, or research into cloud seeding to block the sun, or giving £11.6bn to overseas for climate action, or to make wealthy labour donors like Dale Vince richer than he already is. Ah Dale Vince, theres another one.

A lot of these are just research funding for various projects that have been completely oversimplified by whatever sources you have been reading. And they're over several years as well, so that "11.6bn" figure is a multi-year international climate-finance commitment, not a single transfer. There's no evidence that Vince is being personally enriched by the government; his company does receive government subsidies but again they are over several years (decades). I don't understand why you seem more angry about an arrangement designed to benefit our environment than you are about the billions profited by corrupt Tories corrupt mates which explicitly lead to more deaths during the pandemic?

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

Yes

The Telegraph's owners have strong financial links to the fossil fuel industry. 

 

They are also demonstrably a lying, evil bunch of *****. 

 

Stop reading them. 

[urban.spaceman]

20 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Whilst we're going along this splinterdream trend, can I add Stephen Mulhern, David Dickinson, Michael MacIntyre, Ed Sheeran, Kate Beckinsale and Lewis Capaldi all of whom I find moderately annoying and so would like to add them to the list.

 

Probably above most politicians if I'm honest.

Never really seen much about Beckinsale to have an opinion either way personally. I remember listening to her on a podcast with Simon Pegg and she seemed nice. 

 

I do like Capaldi thought. Doesn't seem to have a filter. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

Yes

This is a bit of misinformation by the daily mail broadsheet.

 

Almost all of our energy insecurity comes from fossil fuels. I know people who work in the industry and we're quite often a day or so of running out of gas. 

 

If weren't run by the fossil fuel and defence industry we'd have had virtually free energy decades ago.