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Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

By Daggers, in General Chat

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Finnegan

Finnegan

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Of course it isn't right to place anyone in a brothel (or brother) but the point is it won't have been done knowingly and unless someone reports it they won't know.

It's not difficult to understand.

Zingari

Zingari

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Of course it isn't right to place anyone in a brothel (or brother) but the point is it won't have been done knowingly and unless someone reports it they won't know.

It's not difficult to understand.

But surely if the person who has been allocated this accommodation  tells them it's being used as a brothel , by then they do know, and should take appropriate action .

Finnegan

Finnegan

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But surely if the person who has been allocated this accommodation tells them it's being used as a brothel , by then they do know, and should take appropriate action .

If it's a private rental I'd be surprised if she was "allocated" it. We don't at this point know if it was properly reported or if the appropriate office are investigating it. We know what Ken understands of what he's been told which, with respect, is limited.

Rincewind

Rincewind

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It may have been Housing Options that dealt with it. A group set up to reallocate people. What is happening they do not check the suiability when doing it as they are trying to process as many people as possible

Zingari

Zingari

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If it's a private rental I'd be surprised if she was "allocated" it. We don't at this point know if it was properly reported or if the appropriate office are investigating it. We know what Ken understands of what he's been told which, with respect, is limited.

But my understanding of it is that although it is in fact not an "allocation" , it is very difficult to refuse the property.

 

As you say we don't know if it is being investigated with a view to take action , and maybe Ken can keep us informed.

 

I'm gonna jump to the opinion that  it's another case of willful ignorance and buck passing though .  :)

Zingari

Zingari

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Then she needs to go to Phoenix House and talk to the staff there. I'm sure they'd be alarmed to know they've put someone in a "brothel."

I'm sure they would , but what would they do ?

Finnegan

Finnegan

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But my understanding of it is that although it is in fact not an "allocation" , it is very difficult to refuse the property.

As you say we don't know if it is being investigated with a view to take action , and maybe Ken can keep us informed.

I'm gonna jump to the opinion that it's another case of willful ignorance and buck passing though . :)

Then you're an idiot and I can't be arsed to argue with you.

Rincewind

Rincewind

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This is gold. Absolute gold. I'd call BS on the whole lot, but I know two of you are real people. REAL PEOPLE.

Ken. You should report it. Have the courage of your own kenvictions.

I don#t have all the information another person does they are dealing with it. I may have said too much. It may well have been unintentional and I am sure it will be resolved. I will only update if it is something (insert name as appropriate) wants to hear as anything else will not be believed.

Guest Basildon Fox

Guest Basildon Fox

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This woman (and her ex for that matter).  Absolute shite of the highest order.  :mad:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-24145299

 

 

Amanda Hutton 'starved four-year-old son to death'
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The BBC's Ed Thomas reports on the details of the case

The mummified body of a four-year-old boy was found in a cot in his mother's bedroom almost two years after he starved to death, a jury has heard.

Hamzah Khan was still dressed in baby clothes when police made the "dreadful discovery" at his house in Bradford in September 2011, the court was told.

The boy's mother, Amanda Hutton, 43, who denies manslaughter, has gone on trial at Bradford Crown Court.

The jury heard conditions in the house had "disturbed even hardened officers".

'Conditions of squalor'

Opening the case for the prosecution, Paul Greaney QC told the jury Hamzah died on 15 December 2009 when he was four-and-a-half years old.

Continue reading the main story “Start Quote

How had a child starved to death in 21st Century England?â€

End Quote Paul Greaney QC

But the barrister said the boy's remains were found 21 months later in clothing intended for a baby aged six to nine months.

These clothes still fitted him because his growth had been stunted, Mr Greaney said.

"It had been stunted because he was malnourished over a lengthy period and that state of affairs resulted in his death. In short, he starved to death.

"How had a child starved to death in 21st Century England?"

Ms Hutton had failed to provide her son with the nourishment he needed to survive and, by failing to do so, she had killed him, said Mr Greaney.

He said the "dreadful discovery" of Hamzah's body was made after a police community support officer spoke to Ms Hutton and became concerned.

Police who went into the property were faced with "conditions of squalor," he said.

Rotting matter

"What they discovered disturbed even hardened officers."

Mr Greaney said a consultant paediatrician went to the house after Ms Hutton's arrest and found it "overwhelming to visit".

He said: "She discovered that there was a huge amount of rubbish, rotting matter, faeces and empty bottles.

_69913748_hamzah_rossparry.jpgHamzah Khan's body was found in a cot in his mother's bedroom, the court heard

"She described the smell of the property as offensive almost beyond description."

Ms Hutton was an abuser of alcohol and cannabis, the court was told.

The jury would have to consider whether Hamzah was "a secondary and less important consideration than those addictions," Mr Greaney said.

He told the jury he expected Ms Hutton's defence lawyers to claim that her son's malnutrition could have arisen through "some naturally occurring condition".

However, he said the prosecution would argue that she was guilty of manslaughter by gross negligence on two counts after having failed to feed her son adequately and failing to seek medical help for him.

The jury heard Hamzah's father, Aftab Khan, was separated from Ms Hutton and lived elsewhere.

Mr Greaney said there was evidence Mr Khan was violent towards the defendant.

'Called for pizza'

In police interviews, Ms Hutton said Hamzah had become particularly unwell on 14 December 2009, the jury heard.

She said the next day she went to a supermarket to consult a pharmacist but got a phone call to come home.

"She explained when she returned Hamzah was near to death. She sought to revive him but to no effect," said Mr Greaney.

"She described placing Hamzah into his cot, making plain she had treated his body with dignity."

The child's body was found with a teddy bear, said Mr Greaney.

The jury was told Ms Hutton had ordered pizza within hours of her son's death and continued to claim child benefit for him.

The prosecutor told the jury: "She made no call for assistance - for a doctor or an ambulance.

"What did she do? Within hours she was ordering a pizza. So, no call for assistance but a call, or even calls, for pizza."

The jury would have to consider whether these matters "demonstrate anything about her attitude towards Hamzah," Mr Greaney told the jury.

The trial continues.

StanSP

StanSP

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I don#t have all the information another person does they are dealing with it. I may have said too much. It may well have been unintentional and I am sure it will be resolved. I will only update if it is something (insert name as appropriate) wants to hear as anything else will not be believed.

 

If you don't have all the information you shouldn't have come on to a public forum and said all you have, especially when you now think you've said too much. I don't think it was your obligation to tell us what's going on in a private matter. Also, the fact that the house is on a council's recommendation list says to me that other people have lived there before. Therefore, why was it not reported back then? I dread to think that this latest girl is the only one to have come across the experience of living in a 'brothel/brother' and not told anyone about it. Surely there are more than just her?

 

Ken, why have you not reported it to the council? Even if it's not the police, you or definitely your colleague should have told someone with the relevant authority what's going on.

MooseBreath

MooseBreath

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Saw it in the Metro. I know she is alleged to have alcohol and drug problems but she may have mental issues too. Somebody should have picked the signs up.

Definitely. She can't be blamed. Give her a bigger house. Jail her bankers.

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leicsmac

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Definitely. She can't be blamed. Give her a bigger house. Jail her bankers.

 

Oooof...the sarcasm and ad homs are strong in this one.  :P

 

But in all seriousness, picking out total sociopaths like this should be a job for the authorities. They didn't do their jobs and an innocent child has died in a grossly cruel manner because of it.

Finnegan

Finnegan

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Oooof...the sarcasm and ad homs are strong in this one. :P

But in all seriousness, picking out total sociopaths like this should be a job for the authorities. They didn't do their jobs and an innocent child has died in a grossly cruel manner because of it.

Enter Bob Hare, stage left.

Finnegan

Finnegan

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Not really. Maybe she's just evil.

What is this, primary school story time? The evil witch lady?!

I think to be that detached from your role as, not just a parent, but a general care giver, there has to be something distinctly not "right" with you.

The mistake people who are militantly tough-justice often make when it comes to issues like this is to assume people are looking to excuse the behavior by highlighting the possibility of mental illness.

There are plenty of people who do not function, mentally, as they "should" who are still completely accountable for their actions and crimes.

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