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Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

By Daggers, in General Chat

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Orkneyfox

Orkneyfox

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This got me thinking, why do we have suicide watch in prisons? I don't support the death sentence, but I do support the right for someone to choose if they want to die, and assisted suicide. Amazingly they have suicide watch on death row, is that not the most bizarre thing ever:

 

 

Is there not something slightly perverse about keeping someone alive just so you can kill him, let them die if they want to, especially at considerable extra cost.

There are quite a lot of  often young, women who kill them selves in British prisons. Saughton, for example has a bad reputation. They are often in for minor crimes, single, poor, separated from their children and feeling hopeless, helpless and bullied. It is little wonder they top themselves before anyone has a chance to sort them out. Suicide watch is a well established and sensible thing to save lives and, as I said above, also keeps control away from psychos.

Captain...

Captain...

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Part of the problem is who has control. Many of these psychos/rapists do it because they crave control and taking their own lives before the state does it gives them back one last controlling act.

 

But is that not a bit perverse, the end result is the same and any satisfaction they take will be fleeting as they are dead.

 

There are quite a lot of  often young, women who kill them selves in British prisons. Saughton, for example has a bad reputation. They are often in for minor crimes, single, poor, separated from their children and feeling hopeless, helpless and bullied. It is little wonder they top themselves before anyone has a chance to sort them out. Suicide watch is a well established and sensible thing to save lives and, as I said above, also keeps control away from psychos.

 

Ok, I understand it prisons when there are weak and vulnerable people in prisons, but people in for life or on death row, it just makes very bizarre logic.

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Rincewind

Rincewind

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There are quite a lot of  often young, women who kill them selves in British prisons. Saughton, for example has a bad reputation. They are often in for minor crimes, single, poor, separated from their children and feeling hopeless, helpless and bullied. It is little wonder they top themselves before anyone has a chance to sort them out. Suicide watch is a well established and sensible thing to save lives and, as I said above, also keeps control away from psychos.

I can quite believe that after hearing from sources who regularly visit prisons as part of their work.

The Doctor

The Doctor

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Part of the problem is who has control. Many of these psychos/rapists do it because they crave control and taking their own lives before the state does it gives them back one last controlling act.

 

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Orkneyfox

Orkneyfox

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This got me thinking, why do we have suicide watch in prisons? I don't support the death sentence, but I do support the right for someone to choose if they want to die, and assisted suicide. Amazingly they have suicide watch on death row, is that not the most bizarre thing ever:

 

 

Is there not something slightly perverse about keeping someone alive just so you can kill him, let them die if they want to, especially at considerable extra cost.

Do you want to give them any satisfaction whatsoever? I don't.

Captain...

Captain...

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Do you want to give them any satisfaction whatsoever? I don't.

Really don't see the difference dead is dead at the end of the die, and I'm pretty sure any makeshift suicide attempt is going to be significantly more painful than a lethal injection.

Captain...

Captain...

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Castro killing himself is the easy way out. He got to have his way with his victims for a decade and then he gets to choose when he escapes? Not fair.

He's escaped? I didn't think you believed in an afterlife. Even if you did suicide is a mortal sin so would instantly end up in hell.

I'm pretty sure in other threads you have said that people like Castro, should be killed and support the death penalty for paedo rapist scum, so why does it matter how he died, be it death penalty, natural death after life in prison, being shanked by a vigilante on the inside, beaten to death by a family member of the victim, or suicide. (Apologies if not you, can't be arsed to trawl through the threads and check.)

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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Castro killing himself is the easy way out. He got to have his way with his victims for a decade and then he gets to choose when he escapes? Not fair.

 

It is but I'm not bothered. Life is the most wonderful gift anyone could have and if you want to end in you must be suffering.

 

Would have preferred him to serve it out as in the US you know he'll serve his sentence but over here I'd want someone like that dead as I could never bring myself to rule out the day some moron in our justice system would see fit to let him out.

 

If they give four new identities to specimans that have already tortured and killed children and then reoffended with more abuse of children and still let them out twice by 30 there is no telling where these people will stop in the future.

The People's Hero

The People's Hero

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The HMRC. If anyone here works there, please get in touch via FT? Seems constant letters don't work (unless they can really be 8 months behind).

I shudder to think how much booze and fags I'm

Indirectly buying the workshy with this taxbill.

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Rincewind

Rincewind

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Sounds like an incompetent idiot to me.

Glad you said that. The girl in question went to a colleague of mine for help as she had been told to move there by a council housing officer. The ones responsible will be contacted to ask why and if the response is unsatisfactory you may read about it in one or more of the nationals.

Cannot say too much. The girl is afraid of being intimidated if she makes too much of a fuss.I expect some will now say the story is made up.

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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If a council housing officer has given that advice he isn't fit to be in the job.

For a start why isn't he reporting the brothel to the police?

Finnegan

Finnegan

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Glad you said that. The girl in question went to a colleague of mine for help as she had been told to move there by a council housing officer. The ones responsible will be contacted to ask why and if the response is unsatisfactory you may read about it in one or more of the nationals.

Cannot say too much. The girl is afraid of being intimidated if she makes too much of a fuss.I expect some will now say the story is made up.

Er, housing officers don't "tell" you where to move and prostitution would almost certainly be a violation of the tenancy agreement so this should be reported.

What area is this in? Have you actually reported it to the Area Housing Office or are you expecting them to be psychic? If nobody blows the whistle how are they meant to know?

Captain...

Captain...

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Er, housing officers don't "tell" you where to move and prostitution would almost certainly be a violation of the tenancy agreement so this should be reported.

What area is this in? Have you actually reported it to the Area Housing Office or are you expecting them to be psychic? If nobody blows the whistle how are they meant to know?

 

I suspect that if there are illegal activities going on, then the housing office wouldn't know about it, otherwise the police would have been informed. If they didn't know it was being used as a brothel, then there is no reason why they wouldn't recommend it as a place to live. 

Finnegan

Finnegan

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I suspect that if there are illegal activities going on, then the housing office wouldn't know about it, otherwise the police would have been informed. If they didn't know it was being used as a brothel, then there is no reason why they wouldn't recommend it as a place to live.

Well obviously.

Rincewind

Rincewind

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When a person moves from a hostel to private housing they have to take what is offered or lose benefits or go to the bottom of the waiting list. It would have been a letter from the council. The same applies for tenants having to downsize. Even if they feel unsafe in the house they are obliged to take what is suggested. This happens all over the country and is not widely reported.

Also heard yesterday that Food Vouchers have been reworded so they do not mention any link with DWP or the benefit office so in effect the people using them will not be included in statistics. The exact info will have to be checked regarding this. I have not seen the exact wording.

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