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Thracian

They catch on quick when it comes to speed

By Thracian, in General Chat

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Monk

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Seems pretty sensible to me, but it won't stop people speeding in 30mph areas which causes so many accidents.

Thracian

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Get these sorted and then it's just lorries off the roads when it rains left to do.

I'd imagine it would cut the spray too - and the number of cars approaching and overtaking lorries - but if you can invent the technology to negate the spray I'm a big fan of lorries. As it is they are bloody dangerous in heavy rain as the statistics I last read seemed to confirm. :D

Bryn

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The petrolheads (and indeed the libertarian lobby) would squeal long and loud about the perceived limitation on their "freedoms".

Don't expect to see any legislation on this any time soon.

S'got nowt to do with freedom, to limit all the cars on the motorway to 70 would be idiocy and wouldn't address any of the city idiots anyway, which is where most of the speed related accidents occur.

Guest

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I don't need a limiter.

I also don't appreciate being tailgated when it's -3.5 below, and the roads don't feel like they've been gritted.

Jon the Hat

Jon the Hat

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Speed is not the problem. Lack of judgement is the problem. If someone proves to have lack of judgement, punish them. A volunatry system like this would clearly become compulsory in the hands of this government.

C-man

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Maybe just bring them in for people who have accumulated 6 or more points on their license, or those who have been found guilty of driving offences.

Although I suppose you can't have one rule for one set of people and another for another set of people... Shame that...

Bellend Sebastian

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You cannot take the human element out of driving, however hard you try - anyone can make a mistake. Limiting the speed of vehicles reduces the consequences of one of those cock ups - it can make the difference between an accident being one you can walk away from or one where the police are scraping you off the road.

They shouldn't need to be even considering this. There's a set of rules that we're all able to follow (assuming we've passed our driving test) and that apply to everyone, but as usual a sizeable minority insist that they know better

Jon the Hat

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You cannot take the human element out of driving, however hard you try - anyone can make a mistake.

There's a set of rules that we're all able to follow (assuming we've passed our driving test) and that apply to everyone, but as usual a sizeable minority insist that they know better

So anyone can make a mistake but we are all capable of following the rules? Like I said it is all a question of judgement. You assume that the judgement of the people who set speed limits and other road rules overrides that of the driver in a given situation, but to me that is just a screen to hide behind. "I wasn't speeding" is not a defence for missing the blindingly obvious and killing someone, and the fact that you were speeding is not enough to make you wholly responsible for an accident you might be involved in. It just isn't that simple.

Now if someone wanted to bring in limiters along with a sensible conversation about using variable speed limits from 15mph to 100 mph depending on road, traffic and time of day then that would be worth listening to.

davieG

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I don't get this, if it's voluntary and you have a group of volunteered drivers going down the motorway at 70 all you are going to do is piss off those that prefer to and will continue to drive faster - this is more likely to cause more accidents.

If it's compulsory and everyone is travelling at 70 with no facility to go faster and an 'incident' occurs that requires evasive action one of those options would be to increase your speed to get away from the situation - wouldn't it?

As many have said it's individual judgement that matters, we've created a culture where speed is considered 'cool' and anyone driver at the accepted limit is a boring dullard. We also have a culture where everything has to had / be done now -this instant, no one seems to be prepared to wait or take their time in achieving something, this all adds to the mind set of the speeding driver.

I doubt whether this would stop people speeding, laws and limitations don't seem to prevent other activities, such as no road tax, no MOT, no insurance, no driving licence, driving whilst banned - the list is endless.

breadandcheese

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Sorry Thrac, don't agree with these speed limiters in cars.

Speed is not the enemy. It is and has always been poor driving. The majority of accidents where speed is listed as a factor in a crash, are not because the driver is driving above the legal limit, but that he/she is driving too fast for the conditions.

An interesting article about speeding and manipulation of figures is here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/safety...sted-truth.html

AoWW

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Speed doesn't kill!!!!

Speed plus other things does!!

:frusty:

Yeah, I always find taking it with coke is a tad dodgy. :whistle:

lavrentis

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Speed is not the problem. Lack of judgement is the problem. If someone proves to have lack of judgement, punish them. A volunatry system like this would clearly become compulsory in the hands of this government.

True you can still have a collision at 30mph. Speed limiters will not help.

Maybes

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The governments obsession with speed cameras is merely to help bankroll the police force. Its a stealth tax.

My grandfather resigned from his job as head of the Thames Valley Police Force, in short becuase he wouldn't agree to implementing more speed cameras on the local roads as he did not agree that it would cut fatalities.

The government can do as they please, they will bung the figures however they wish to do so.

Bellend Sebastian

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The governments obsession with speed cameras is merely to help bankroll the police force. Its a stealth tax.

My grandfather resigned from his job as head of the Thames Valley Police Force, in short becuase he wouldn't agree to implementing more speed cameras on the local roads as he did not agree that it would cut fatalities.

The government can do as they please, they will bung the figures however they wish to do so.

It's an idiot tax

Thracian

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Sorry Thrac, don't agree with these speed limiters in cars.

Speed is not the enemy. It is and has always been poor driving. The majority of accidents where speed is listed as a factor in a crash, are not because the driver is driving above the legal limit, but that he/she is driving too fast for the conditions.

An interesting article about speeding and manipulation of figures is here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/safety...sted-truth.html

Nothing in the article surprises me. Figures have been published on this forum showing quite clearly that excessive speed is a fairly minor factor in RTA's.

And I've argued countless times that driving standards are poor, particularly among the inexperienced and incapacitated.

However if the aim of the Government is to cut speeds then limiters is the way to do it not cameras and average speed calculations.

Because there is nothing worse than driving at 78mph on the motorway - 70mph plus the usually allowed 10% - and having every man and his do careering past you, cutting in front of you, spraying you with shit and so on.

Driving becomes so uncomfortable.

Thracian

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If you don't like it, get off the road.

:rolleyes:

I quite often do - or at least off that road.

Or I just get philosophical and put my foot down.

The whizz-kids and tailgaters thin out at around 100 but press on a bit quicker and driving suddenly gets to be fun again...as I'm sure you well know. :D

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