Head Honcho Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 ..........what Tennis Player was she on about? Stupid thing to say but blown out of all proportion now-like everything is these days
Dr The Singh Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 ..........what Tennis Player was she on about? Stupid thing to say but blown out of all proportion now-like everything is these days Apparently the people around her that heard it found it disgusted and complained, they obviously didn't see it as a joke, and nor would I to be honest. I remember being at school and one of my black mates suffered that tag for many a years, it brings back some very bad memories!!!
Head Honcho Posted 4 February 2009 Author Posted 4 February 2009 Apparently the people around her that heard it found it disgusted and complained, they obviously didn't see it as a joke, and nor would I to be honest. I remember being at school and one of my black mates suffered that tag for many a years, it brings back some very bad memories!!! I agree it's not something you should joke about but Jo Brand has made a living out of being offensive so it's a bit rich coming from her. I can honestly say that as a child who grew up in the highfields I never once heard the term golliwog being used derogatory. Wog you heard all the time and this was obviously offensive but it took me some time to associate the two terms with one another.
Jon the Hat Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 I believe she was talking about Andy Murray, when he had fuzzy hair which stuck out rather a lot. The real story here is the sense of humour that allowed a solictor on to BBC news 24 as an expert on the subject, with fuzzy hair which stuck out rather a lot. Brilliant. Generally i think if someone in the room was offended they should have said so and got an apology. A general apology beyond that is not required and she is right to stand herground.
Dr The Singh Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 I agree it's not something you should joke about but Jo Brand has made a living out of being offensive so it's a bit rich coming from her.I can honestly say that as a child who grew up in the highfields I never once heard the term golliwog being used derogatory. Wog you heard all the time and this was obviously offensive but it took me some time to associate the two terms with one another. The big problem is that perception of what is 'correct' and what's not has changed from past generations. I recently went to a mates house (white) who I haven't seen for over 15 years and his dad who is over 75 years old said 'I remember you, your one of his paki school friends'. Now that is offensive but in his time and generation it was acceptable to call a guy from asian descent a 'paki' and it was acceptable to treat them like 'second' class citizens!! But times have changed, all races have in general become 'equal'. Those stigmas and perceptions of old are now not acceptable, and if your gonna be a figure on TV, then you should know better!!!
Milky Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Must be Gail Monfils surely. knocked out in the 4th round ish.
Ultra Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Must be Gail Monfils surely. knocked out in the 4th round ish. It was. I think Thatcher acted foolishly, rather than maliciously. But she should still have known better than to use that talk anywhere near the beeb.
The People's Hero Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 I used to collect the badgiii. (Note: Badges, not Badgers - same plural).
stez Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 isn't jo brand being investigated for her own offensive comments, made recently, at the moment too?
Tommy G Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 This was said in private and not broadcasted? Whoever was offended should have confronted her herself. Without blowing it into the media limelight. PC over the top once again.
Flynny Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 isn't jo brand being investigated for her own offensive comments, made recently, at the moment too? Damn that Jo Brand. What a racist-ist. She joked about mailing poo to BNP members, which was apparently an incitement to hatred or some shit. Thatcher's a victim of a scandal hit BBC and refusing to admit she was entirely wrong. What's happened is unfortunate but probably right. It depends on the sense in which she used the word. I very much doubt she 'called' anyone a Golliwog, which'd be a bit much, rather than just the hairstyle of the dolls. Which, let's face it, are real objects.
Cat Burger Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 This was said in private and not broadcasted? Whoever was offended should have confronted her herself. Without blowing it into the media limelight. PC over the top once again. Adrian Chiles was there and did confront her apparently, it's been blown up like this because of who her mother is, and rightly so. P.s there's nothing politically incorrect about calling someone a Gollywog, it's just racist.
stez Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Damn that Jo Brand. What a racist-ist.She joked about mailing poo to BNP members, which was apparently an incitement to hatred or some shit. Thatcher's a victim of a scandal hit BBC and refusing to admit she was entirely wrong. What's happened is unfortunate but probably right. It depends on the sense in which she used the word. I very much doubt she 'called' anyone a Golliwog, which'd be a bit much, rather than just the hairstyle of the dolls. Which, let's face it, are real objects. i suppose it depends where a persons prejudices lie? i don't like the bnp, but i'd rather not have their innocent kids (kids not mentioned for dramatic effect there) open up packages of shit, which could quite easily happen. i guess jo brand would see the funny side of it if someone returned the favour on her, using dog shit maybe, and her kid ended up blind? point being if you're in the public eye SPEAK RESPONSIBLY
Babylon Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Errrr what's all this... have I missed something?
Tommy G Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Adrian Chiles was there and did confront her apparently, it's been blown up like this because of who her mother is, and rightly so.P.s there's nothing politically incorrect about calling someone a Gollywog, it's just racist. They should have dealt with it internally? She is a Z list personality who most people won't recognise. now she will be hated for a silly mistake. The media will love this because it sells newspapers...for the mindless goons that enjoy reading that kind of dross.
Flynny Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 i suppose it depends where a persons prejudices lie? i don't like the bnp, but i'd rather not have their innocent kids (kids not mentioned for dramatic effect there) open up packages of shit, which could quite easily happen. i guess jo brand would see the funny side of it if someone returned the favour on her, using dog shit maybe, and her kid ended up blind? point being if you're in the public eye SPEAK RESPONSIBLY She didn't say 'do it', she made a joke about doing it. The reason it's funny because it's unrealistic. Fucks sake. Comedy is entirely irresponsible and quite often Amoral. That's the point.
Cat Burger Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Errrr what's all this... have I missed something? She purportedly said it back stage on the one show and has lost her job.
Cat Burger Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 They should have dealt with it internally?She is a Z list personality who most people won't recognise. now she will be hated for a silly mistake. The media will love this because it sells newspapers...for the mindless goons that enjoy reading that kind of dross. They did, but it's hard to keep something like this under wraps I reckon. I think people are interested in the chance that she picked it up from her mother, who was our leader once upon a time.
Babylon Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 She purportedly said it back stage on the one show and has lost her job. Backstage? So it wasn't even broadcast and they have sacked her. If someone has taken the remark badly and made a complaint, then I can kind of understand them maybe not wanting to work with her again. Why go public with it though, there was absolutely no need.
Tommy G Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Backstage? So it wasn't even broadcast and they have sacked her. If someone has taken the remark badly and made a complaint, then I can kind of understand them maybe not wanting to work with her again. Why go public with it though, there was absolutely no need. Exactlt my point. Magaret Thatcher was probably racist, you can't make that assumption that she was just because her daughter said something stupid. Ahh never mind, life goes on I guess
Cat Burger Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Backstage? So it wasn't even broadcast and they have sacked her. If someone has taken the remark badly and made a complaint, then I can kind of understand them maybe not wanting to work with her again. Why go public with it though, there was absolutely no need. It probably went down as gross misconduct, as for it being a news item, was it leaked maybe?
cisono Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 The big problem is that perception of what is 'correct' and what's not has changed from past generations. I recently went to a mates house (white) who I haven't seen for over 15 years and his dad who is over 75 years old said 'I remember you, your one of his paki school friends'. Now that is offensive but in his time and generation it was acceptable to call a guy from asian descent a 'paki' and it was acceptable to treat them like 'second' class citizens!! But times have changed, all races have in general become 'equal'. Those stigmas and perceptions of old are now not acceptable, and if your gonna be a figure on TV, then you should know better!!! Totally agree. Went back to Italy some years ago and was talking to my family about a mate of mine here in Leicester, a black guy (incidentally, the fact he was black was relevant to the story I was telling). I used the only word that was used for black people when I grew up there (NOT long ago!!!), i.e. negro*, and saw both my sister and my mum staring at me in disbelief, mouth wide open, until my sister somehow realised I had no idea what they were so disgusted about and explained that they now use the word "nero" (black) instead. Now, I was surprised by two main things: - the language use had changed so quickly. What the hell? No one had told me... - how could my own family think (even for a second) I might have meant that in a derogatory way? (especially in the context of the story?) We are obviously conditioned to respond to words that were previously neutral to us as if they were racist. * apologies if anyone is offended by my linguistic remark. No offence intended! PS: Indian CNN-style channels abundantly use the word "Pak" as an abbreviation for Pakistan and Pakistani, as I had plenty of time to notice during my recent 15-hour wait at Mumbai airport...
Dr The Singh Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Totally agree.Went back to Italy some years ago and was talking to my family about a mate of mine here in Leicester, a black guy (incidentally, the fact he was black was relevant to the story I was telling). I used the only word that was used for black people when I grew up there (NOT long ago!!!), i.e. negro*, and saw both my sister and my mum staring at me in disbelief, mouth wide open, until my sister somehow realised I had no idea what they were so disgusted about and explained that they now use the word "nero" (black) instead. Now, I was surprised by two main things: - the language use had changed so quickly. What the hell? No one had told me... - how could my own family think (even for a second) I might have meant that in a derogatory way? (especially in the context of the story?) We are obviously conditioned to respond to words that were previously neutral to us as if they were racist. * apologies if anyone is offended by my linguistic remark. No offence intended! PS: Indian CNN-style channels abundantly use the word "Pak" as an abbreviation for Pakistan and Pakistani, as I had plenty of time to notice during my recent 15-hour wait at Mumbai airport... Funnily enough the word paki in urdu\arabic means pure ie the land of pure = pakistan, unfortunately the original meaning of the word has become irrelevant, it's use has made it one of disgust!!!
Babylon Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Funnily enough the word paki in urdu\arabic means pure ie the land of pure = pakistan, unfortunately the original meaning of the word has become irrelevant, it's use has made it one of disgust!!! I like that... Singh, we should reclaim the word so that it means pure once again. As "paki" as the driven snow. Nope, I can't see that one catching on to be honest.
Dr The Singh Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 I like that... Singh, we should reclaim the word so that it means pure once again. As "paki" as the driven snow. Nope, I can't see that one catching on to be honest. Maybe it will catch on in pakistan, shall I book you a ticket, Babs????
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