The People's Hero Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Aside from the etymological thing.. and people will argue it, it is fairly well known that the term Gollywog could be offensive, so she was stupid and naive at best, to use it. No sympathy. That said, I've no idea who she is. She can rot for all I care.
Babylon Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Maybe it will catch on in pakistan, shall I book you a ticket, Babs???? Please.... I'd be in curry heaven.
Dr The Singh Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Please.... I'd be in curry heaven. Yeah and you'd be the curry, after you start calling every fooker a 'paki'!!!
The Stig Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Paki is a derrogitory term and is now a really offensive thing to say to someone. But say someone in Australia started critisising the number of "Brits" coming over to live there. Is that not a similar thing? Paki = Pakistani Person Brit = British Person?
Babylon Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Paki is a derrogitory term and is now a really offensive thing to say to someone. But say someone in Australia started critisising the number of "Brits" coming over to live there. Is that not a similar thing?Paki = Pakistani Person Brit = British Person? It would be if they went around beating them up, setting fire to their shops and generally being horrible along with it.
Dr The Singh Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Paki is a derrogitory term and is now a really offensive thing to say to someone. But say someone in Australia started critisising the number of "Brits" coming over to live there. Is that not a similar thing?Paki = Pakistani Person Brit = British Person? Not quite the same Stig, although any form of discrimination is wrong!! All of the Indian subcontinent were enslaved by the Brits for many years, being former colonies and a labour shortage, those from thos nations were asked to come and live here. Unfortunately the native Brits (in general terms) and in light of being former masters treated the immigrants as second class citizens and were often abused, and the word paki was used, just as the balck slaves were called niggers!! Now, although there is history between the Brits and Aussies, as far as I know, in modern history there has never been enslavement or persecution similar to what the black immigrants or those from asai have felt!!!
The Stig Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 It would be if they went around beating them up, setting fire to their shops and generally being horrible along with it. Not quite the same Stig, although any form of discrimination is wrong!! All of the Indian subcontinent were enslaved by the Brits for many years, being former colonies and a labour shortage, those from thos nations were asked to come and live here. Unfortunately the native Brits (in general terms) and in light of being former masters treated the immigrants as second class citizens and were often abused, and the word paki was used, just as the balck slaves were called niggers!!Now, although there is history between the Brits and Aussies, as far as I know, in modern history there has never been enslavement or persecution similar to what the black immigrants or those from asai have felt!!! Please don't think I was condoning the use of the term in anyway shape or form. I know the connotations that the term brings with it, I was just stating a small similarity based on the word it's self. However I wasn't aware of the histroy of the word so thanks for enlightening me on that one.
Finnegan Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 I'm with the Burger of Cats. I don't like over political correctness, but this isn't over political correctness. It's a woman being banned from one television show because she made a racist comment and they don't want her back. I agree it probably didn't need to be splashed all over the news given it happened in private, but if someone made remarks like that in my home I wouldn't invite them back. Please don't think I was condoning the use of the term in anyway shape or form. I know the connotations that the term brings with it, I was just stating a small similarity based on the word it's self. However I wasn't aware of the histroy of the word so thanks for enlightening me on that one. Er, . But there's also the fact that all Brits are... Brits? When people brand the word 'Paki' around, not only has it been used for countless years as an offensive remark but it's also (even if it were just, as you want to claim, an abbreviation for Pakistani) used to describe just about everyone with similar skin pigment - whether they be Pakistani or not. That sort of ignorance alone is inherently racist.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 I always knew Singh was "pure" The thing that I find ironic about the ignorant racists, who usually say, "well he's from Pakistan, therefore he's a Paki - it's just descriptive," use it as a term for anyone from the general indian sub-continental region. The irony is that India/Pakistan is one of the more "tense" international borders in the world, withb the 2 wanting (rightly or wrongly) little to do with each other... hardly "all the same people." Mrs Thatcher Jr? Probably a little over the top, depends on the context and to whom (if as claimed by Jon the Hat, it was to Andy Murray, then it's a completely different thing. That's hairist!), but she should have known better.
Wycombe Fox Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Paki is a derrogitory term and is now a really offensive thing to say to someone. But say someone in Australia started critisising the number of "Brits" coming over to live there. Is that not a similar thing?Paki = Pakistani Person Brit = British Person? I don't think the term 'Brit' has been used in such a derogatory way as 'Paki' has. I have heard, quite recently, the test match cricket commentators on the BBC refer to the Pakistani cricket team as 'The Pakis'. Is this acceptable? Is this what the Pakistani cricket team are known as worldwode, including their own country? I think a lot of these terms, but not all as some are so obviously meant to offend, should be considered by the manner in which they are delivered. It's a bloody minefield!
lavrentis Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Paki is a derrogitory term and is now a really offensive thing to say to someone. But say someone in Australia started critisising the number of "Brits" coming over to live there. Is that not a similar thing?Paki = Pakistani Person Brit = British Person? I thought aussies called us pomies? "G'day, you're not a pomy are ya?"
cisono Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Just to clarify, the Indian news team were using the abbreviation "Pak" (no ending "i"). It took me a while to realise what they meant...
Webbo Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 The real story here is the sense of humour that allowed a solictor on to BBC news 24 as an expert on the subject, with fuzzy hair which stuck out rather a lot. Brilliant. I saw that too, hilarious :
l444ry Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Wonder how the Beeb decided that Thatcher should be dismissed forthwith for this, yet Jonathan Ross can escape with a couple of months off air with his salary intact for obscene phone calls to a pensioner.
stez Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 She didn't say 'do it', she made a joke about doing it. The reason it's funny because it's unrealistic. Fucks sake. Comedy is entirely irresponsible and quite often Amoral. That's the point. thanks for the comedy lesson, i can now go back and watch 'in sickness and in health' with a new, ironic, view point. and thanks for swearing at me, pretty uncalled for i think.
The Stig Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Er, . But there's also the fact that all Brits are... Brits? When people brand the word 'Paki' around, not only has it been used for countless years as an offensive remark but it's also (even if it were just, as you want to claim, an abbreviation for Pakistani) used to describe just about everyone with similar skin pigment - whether they be Pakistani or not. That sort of ignorance alone is inherently racist. Yes I agree entirely. It's like calling a white American a Brit because he speaks the same language and looks similar. Obviously people aren't that stupid but same principle. I don't think the term 'Brit' has been used in such a derogatory way as 'Paki' has. No I never said it had, I was just saying there may have been a time in years go by where some didn't mean to cause offence by using it and simply meant it as an abbreviation. Obviously you'd be very stupid to do that now given it's current mis-use.
Flynny Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 thanks for the comedy lesson, i can now go back and watch 'in sickness and in health' with a new, ironic, view point. and thanks for swearing at me, pretty uncalled for i think. Wasn't supposed to be aimed 'at' you, but uhh... it kind of is, isn't it? Sorry. I don't think there's any such thing as 'responsible' comedy at all, though, even basic old slapstick. It frustrates me that people think comedians should have to operate within certain bounds that would stop them from being funny in the first place.
Daggers Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 I find the word deeply offensive. Deeply, deeply offensive and I am sickened to my core that I have to keep hearing it over and over again on the radio, the television and see it written in print in this thread. Can we not just agree not to use it? Can we not simply refer to her as just "Carol"?
Flynny Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 I think she's quite hot. Gets me a bit horny She looks like the dog from the magic roundabout.
steve-o Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 its almost become fashionable for black people to play the racism card these days. they call each other nigger all the time but once you call a black person a nigger you get hammered from the dock also they could call you a white bastard and it wouldnt stand in court but on the other hand call them a black bastard and youll do time i hate the coloured people who play the racism card when something doesnt go their way, people in society are trying so carefully not to give them less then equal rights these days a black man is more likely to get a flat then a white person now we dont need this treat each other races as we did in the late 90's
Daggers Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 they call each other nigger all the time but once you call a black person a nigger you get hammered from the dock Erm - why would you want to "call a black person a nigger"?
steve-o Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Erm - why would you want to "call a black person a nigger"? if i was to have a argument with a black person and i shouted fook off you nigger you would get done however they call each other nigger how can that male sense
skinnydipper Posted 4 February 2009 Posted 4 February 2009 Colour prejudice isn't just a matter of black and white . The caste system being the obvious example to prove the point. I was at Wyggeston Collegiate for sixth form and found it odd when an asian would say to another asian " You Paki " CTs comments were , if not racist, at the very least ignorant and demonstrated a lack of judgement. She was foolish to make them and it's hardly surprising that she caused offence. Six months ago she may have had a slap across the wrist but at a time when the bbc is afraid of its own shadow , a sacking was inevitable ,particularly so when her value as a presenter is towards the bottom end of the scale.
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