Babylon Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 My girlfriend has some kind of indian background...although I assume. Her dad is 'indian' and her mum is white. Never really asked because I've never seen it as an issue to be honest, neither has she. thats probably seems quite a naive attitude to have I guess How positively non racist of you... bravo. Have a badge.
Koke Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 How do you know she's considers herself Indian, my folks are of Inidan origin, and if you called me Indian, I would be deeply offended!!!!! Well, she first thought I was, and I quote, "Egyptian or something like that", so it's only my democratic right to assume she's Indian.
Thracian Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 Thrac, you can really be a muppet sometimes, what effect that term 'gollywog' has or has not should be determined by those who it represents and has had it's effect on, not some fool off a forum and not by the bbc. The term is well known to be a comment that is used to racially slur black people, yes it was initially used to label a doll, but the term wog is said to derive from it. The term has been turned by vile racist, it brings about emotiions to those that have suffered from it, now what's so hard to understand by that. Similarly the term nigger or paki, there origins come from 'normal' terms but those bad in society have converted those into ones of disgust!!!Yes, it is offensive, she may aswell said 'nigger'. Like I said, a friend of mine was for years called a gollywog, and that guy grew to be 6 ft 4 tall, and if you had called him a gollywog, even in jest, you would be left with no teeth!!! On the incidence, yes it's been blown out of proportion, Ms Thatcher is not one likely to be bullied, and yes people complianed and yes she felt the need to apologise, end of story, no fooking PC brigade fooker in sight!! I have heard them called gollies or golly but never once in 23 years of dealing have I ever heard a gollywog referred to as a wog. The two words are totally separate. And if people want to pretend otherwise that's for reasons of their own. If you or anyone else is suggesting that Carol Thatcher didn't in fact liken a tennis player to a golliwog in a private comment that was meant to be a light-hearted appraisal of someone's looks, and instead meant it as a racial slur as in saying "look at that sodding wog" then I'll be right alongside you in wholeheartedly condemning it. But from all I've heard so far it wasn't and this whole thing has been cast into the public arena out of mallice. Not that it matters what I think. What really matters is that the whole issue has caused split opinion and generated yet more unnecessary and unhelpful bad feeling involving, on the one hand those who delight in ramming political correctness down everyone's throats for their own reasons and, on the other, those who want to just get on with people and put an end to all the counter productive political opportunism that does more to fan the flames of racial disharmony than ever such an unimportant and hardly heard comment ever deserved.
Dr The Singh Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 Well, she first thought I was, and I quote, "Egyptian or something like that", so it's only my democratic right to assume she's Indian. Yeah, I like that democratc right, cus mine makes me assume your a tranny, post op!!!
Thracian Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 Thracian, I've been biting my tongue recently but you're wrong on this one, pal. Speak your mind, son. If we're going to get on, which suits me fine, I damned sure it won't be because we'll agree on everything.
James. Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 I have heard them called gollies or golly but never once in 23 years of dealing have I ever heard a gollywog referred to as a wog. The two words are totally separate. And if people want to pretend otherwise that's for reasons of their own. The Singh just told you that a friend of his was highly offended by the term gollywog. What really matters is that the whole issue has caused split opinion and generated yet more unnecessary and unhelpful bad feeling involving, on the one hand those who delight in ramming political correctness down everyone's throats for their own reasons and, on the other, those who want to just get on with people and put an end to all the counter productive political opportunism that does more to fan the flames of racial disharmony than ever such an unimportant and hardly heard comment ever deserved. I actually agree with the sentiment of that although I don't think it's applicable to this debate.
Finnegan Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 I actually agree with the sentiment of that although I don't think it's applicable to this debate. Likewise. I really do feel the need to reiterate I'm normally the first person to stand up, swear my tits off and tell PC to go hang. This, however, was just offensive.
Flynny Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 Thracian how much do you agree with this? It's a pretty fair appraisal from, of all things, an ex-Tory campaign strategist. You're right on the nature of the leaks being ridiculous, but the press are after the Beeb's blood at the minute and they can't afford not to send a message. She's a victim of that rather than over-political correctness.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 What really matters is that the whole issue has caused split opinion and generated yet more unnecessary and unhelpful bad feeling involving, on the one hand those who delight in ramming political correctness down everyone's throats for their own reasons and, on the other, those who want to just get on with people and put an end to all the counter productive political opportunism that does more to fan the flames of racial disharmony than ever such an unimportant and hardly heard comment ever deserved. Seems a strange thing to say, given that you gleefully wade into any topic about political correctness firing broadsides at everyone from the Government to yer average left-wing Foxestalk poster. You certainly give the impression of loving it when something like this happens so you can get scribbling about how ludicrous the world is these days. As for this thing about whether something was broadcast or not, seems a bit besides the point to me. If a call-centre worker was overheard making a racist remark about a caller then they'd be fired whether they were on the phone at the time or not.
Dr The Singh Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 I have heard them called gollies or golly but never once in 23 years of dealing have I ever heard a gollywog referred to as a wog. The two words are totally separate. And if people want to pretend otherwise that's for reasons of their own. If you or anyone else is suggesting that Carol Thatcher didn't in fact liken a tennis player to a golliwog in a private comment that was meant to be a light-hearted appraisal of someone's looks, and instead meant it as a racial slur as in saying "look at that sodding wog" then I'll be right alongside you in wholeheartedly condemning it. But from all I've heard so far it wasn't and this whole thing has been cast into the public arena out of mallice. Not that it matters what I think. What really matters is that the whole issue has caused split opinion and generated yet more unnecessary and unhelpful bad feeling involving, on the one hand those who delight in ramming political correctness down everyone's throats for their own reasons and, on the other, those who want to just get on with people and put an end to all the counter productive political opportunism that does more to fan the flames of racial disharmony than ever such an unimportant and hardly heard comment ever deserved. SO, just cus you never heard of it being used racially, it's never happened, so it can't be true and i'm using it described as a racist is term for my own purposes!! Do you know how silly that sounds, what would I gain from it and 'Thracian's World' maybe the epicente of the universe for you but beyond there's another world, where things go one that aren't effected by 'Thracian's World' and aren't known to it either
purpleronnie Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 Stupid comment, yes it shouldn't have made the fromt pages but she deserved to be punished.
Thracian Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 SO, just cus you never heard of it being used racially, it's never happened, so it can't be true and i'm using it described as a racist is term for my own purposes!! === Where did I say it had never happened and where did I say "you" were using the term for your own purposes? Did you bring the incident into the public domain to provoke all the resentment it has generated and the endless stream of counter-productive controversy that is way beyond what the incident ever deserves? If the incident was not mischievously brought into the public arena perhaps you could explain how racial harmony could possibly be helped by the consequences? Mock my world as much as you like but it seems a pretty broad world to me and one where I manage to get on very happily with a genuine cross-section of people on a daily basis.
Thracian Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 As for this thing about whether something was broadcast or not, seems a bit besides the point to me. If a call-centre worker was overheard making a racist remark about a caller then they'd be fired whether they were on the phone at the time or not. If that intended to be a racist comment I'd agree but I don't believe for one second that it was. Only that people mischivously want to interprete it as such.
Hullfox Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 on the one hand those who delight in ramming political correctness down everyone's throats for their own reasons and, on the other, those who want to just get on with people I don't think anyone could accuse you of being in either group there.
maddog Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 She had a drink, and said it in the fooking green room, it wasn't meant to be offensive at all. You cant say anything anymore, because people throw the racism card at anything. Society is a joke! And all that fuss over Ross and Brand, Andrew Sach's daughter is a bit of a slag anyway.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 If that intended to be a racist comment I'd agree but I don't believe for one second that it was. Only that people mischivously want to interprete it as such. Good job you never "mischievously interpret" anything, eh? Involving the BBC or the Government etc
Dr The Singh Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 Thrac, I highlighted what you said, which was an open remark to all, but I take it you meant the bbc??? Like I said, the incidence is well blown out of proportion, a offensive remark was made, people complained, she apologised....get on with life!! I'm sure if it were one of the camera crew that said it, it wouldn't hit the public domain but she's a famous person, unfortunately the media is one based on 'sensation'!!!
The People's Hero Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 Good job you never "mischievously interpret" anything, eh? Involving the BBC or the Government etc You not at work today, Beverino?
Thracian Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 The Singh just told you that a friend of his was highly offended by the term gollywog. I'm not surprised. The use of the word in that way was totally different to the way I understand Carol Thatcher used it.
Thracian Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 Like I said, the incidence is well blown out of proportion, a offensive remark was made, people complained, she apologised....get on with life!! I'm sure if it were one of the camera crew that said it, it wouldn't hit the public domain but she's a famous person, unfortunately the media is one based on 'sensation'!!! I almost made a near identical comment.
Dr The Singh Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 I'm not surprised. The use of the word in that way was totally different to the way I understand Carol Thatcher used it. It would be exactly the same, if Carol Thatcher said, 'oh he looks like a paki/nigger', just cus she meant it as a joke does not mean it's not offensive! If she was in a room with her freinds that know her, they may take it as a joke. She said it infront of people who did not like the use of the word, found it offensive, and they complained, as it is there right. It's like me sitting watching city and for example one of the black players, wore a white balaclava to keep warm, and I just come out with, that so and so looks like a right divvy honky tonk!! It maybe a joke, but there was no need to use that word!!!
Thracian Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 Good job you never "mischievously interpret" anything, eh? Involving the BBC or the Government etc I don't like hypocrisy, I don't like unfairness to anyone and I don't like being systematically manipulated to see things a certain way. I guess there's a lot of it about where those two bodies are concerned. But I've no polical allegience as such. In fact I'd be far happier if party politics didn't exist.
Thracian Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 I don't think anyone could accuse you of being in either group there. I'll look out though, just in case.
Daggers Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 I'm glad TommyG has returned - he's funnier than syphilis.
Dr The Singh Posted 5 February 2009 Posted 5 February 2009 I'm glad TommyG has returned - he's funnier than syphilis. Where is she these days, she's teribly difficult to get rid of!!!
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