Craig Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Plus it was near enough a full strength spain team so was a good chance to see how far we've come under capello; no-where near enough yet it seems after last night While we weren't particulary good, we weren't exaxctly at full strength either.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Managed to beat the Croats in Zagreb, 4-1, that's no easy feat. In my opinion, England are good enough (or have the talent in the squad) to beat Spain, but they need to get some sort of consistency, Capello needs to find out his best team, there are still too many question marks over the right / left wing, and the centre of midfield as well. As long as Beckham is around the team, the likes of SWP and Walcott will never be given consistent runs, and that needs sorting. I don't think people will mind drawing / losing a few games if it means that the more inexperienced members of the team are given more international game time, so that we have a squad capable of challenging for something in South Africa.
dandannieldanok Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 I'll probably get ridiculed for this but I didn't Spain were particularly great, in fact they were toothless imo. England were poor undoubtedly and yes Spain did pass the ball sweetly, but it was always in front of our two banks of four. If Jagielka had not given the ball straight to Alonso and we'd marked Llorente properly I couldn't really see Spain scoring. You would find it difficult to pick out any other clear cut chances they created bar the two goals which were products of England errors.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 I'll probably get ridiculed for this but I didn't Spain were particularly great, in fact they were toothless imo. England were poor undoubtedly and yes Spain did pass the ball sweetly, but it was always in front of our two banks of four. If Jagielka had not given the ball straight to Alonso and we'd marked Llorente properly I couldn't really see Spain scoring. You would find it difficult to pick out any other clear cut chances they created bar the two goals which were products of England errors. I agree fully. England have just as much quality as Spain individually, but don't seem to use it. What the Spanish have is a solid team unit, and an air of conidence that England only seem to have once in a while (eg, Zagreb). That's why Capello needs to find the most successful unit before 2010.
Samilktray Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 I agree fully.England have just as much quality as Spain individually, but don't seem to use it. What the Spanish have is a solid team unit, and an air of conidence that England only seem to have once in a while (eg, Zagreb). That's why Capello needs to find the most successful unit before 2010. :laugh:
welck12 Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 While we weren't particulary good, we weren't exaxctly at full strength either. In my opinion thats part of the problem, we should surely have a deep enough squad to stand the lose of a couple of players and still compete. Barring Rio, Rooney and gerrard, thats pretty close to our full strength team that was out there (maybe joe cole depending on your own preferences)
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Would of been more interesting if we'd had a better side out but on the night they were at home and were streets ahead of us, we looked awkward and never threatned. Worrying thing is the quality they have in depth where we just have an abundance of shit like Crouch Downing Cole etc. Seems to me Agbonlahor needs a couple of seasons at CL level before he's ready for games like that as well.
Head Honcho Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 In my opinion thats part of the problem, we should surely have a deep enough squad to stand the lose of a couple of players and still compete. Barring Rio, Rooney and gerrard, thats pretty close to our full strength team that was out there (maybe joe cole depending on your own preferences) Not many teams can afford to lose players of that quality but I do agree with a previous statement about England not having enough strength in depth.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 :laugh: Player for player in a strongest XI? Just as good. Player for player in a squad of 23? Nope.
purpleronnie Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Managed to beat the Croats in Zagreb, 4-1, that's no easy feat.In my opinion, England are good enough (or have the talent in the squad) to beat Spain, but they need to get some sort of consistency, Capello needs to find out his best team, there are still too many question marks over the right / left wing, and the centre of midfield as well. As long as Beckham is around the team, the likes of SWP and Walcott will never be given consistent runs, and that needs sorting. I don't think people will mind drawing / losing a few games if it means that the more inexperienced members of the team are given more international game time, so that we have a squad capable of challenging for something in South Africa. Didnt they have 10 men?
purpleronnie Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 I agree fully.England have just as much quality as Spain individually, but don't seem to use it. What the Spanish have is a solid team unit, and an air of conidence that England only seem to have once in a while (eg, Zagreb). That's why Capello needs to find the most successful unit before 2010. Gotta love england fans. No wonder england are made favourites for the world cup, bookies must be laughing their heads off.
Tevez Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 "Men against boys atm" So it was, why people moan about a International Friendly is beyond me. Capello is benefiting clubs aswell as certain players. Glen Johnson, Carlton Cole are a few to name. Again Downing has been very good for his club so why shouldn't they be given a chance when we've got injurys around the XI? The game would of been completely different if Gerrard, Rooney, Rio and Lamps started. Capello wanted to pick players in form at the moment which is the only way around it. Spain were quality last night and Alonso and Senna sprayed the ball about so good it was a compliment to watch the game where you don't have to pay for it. It's not the end of the world for England, they are the European Champions but with our consistency in the Euro Qualifers andwith our best eleven out, I think we've got a very good chance, if we qualify.
davieG Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 "Men against boys atm"So it was, why people moan about a International Friendly is beyond me. Capello is benefiting clubs aswell as certain players. Glen Johnson, Carlton Cole are a few to name. Again Downing has been very good for his club so why shouldn't they be given a chance when we've got injurys around the XI? The game would of been completely different if Gerrard, Rooney, Rio and Lamps started. Capello wanted to pick players in form at the moment which is the only way around it. Spain were quality last night and Alonso and Senna sprayed the ball about so good it was a compliment to watch the game where you don't have to pay for it. It's not the end of the world for England, they are the European Champions but with our consistency in the Euro Qualifers andwith our best eleven out, I think we've got a very good chance, if we qualify. Are you sure that Johnson, James, Downing and SWP to name but a few are currently in form If so I wouldn't like to watch them when they're crap
Uncle Albert Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 The game would of been completely different if Gerrard, Rooney, Rio and Lamps started. Capello wanted to pick players in form at the moment which is the only way around it. Spain were quality last night and Alonso and Senna sprayed the ball about so good it was a compliment to watch the game where you don't have to pay for it. Very true. Spain easily have the best midfield in the World. By far. Xavi and Iniesta support Torres and Villa well and Alonso and Senna as Tevez said spray the ball anywhere. Alonso's pass was topnotch to Villa. Not the end of the world but I think Capello should now be playing the same XI for every Friendly and every Qualifier now so the team can form some kind of consistency. Will Jagielka be playing against Ukraine in the next Qualifier? No. Why not give Rio some more time playing with Terry? Downing needs to buck up his ideas.
welck12 Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Very true. Spain easily have the best midfield in the World. By far. Xavi and Iniesta support Torres and Villa well and Alonso and Senna as Tevez said spray the ball anywhere. Alonso's pass was topnotch to Villa. Not the end of the world but I think Capello should now be playing the same XI for every Friendly and every Qualifier now so the team can form some kind of consistency. Will Jagielka be playing against Ukraine in the next Qualifier? No. Why not give Rio some more time playing with Terry? Downing needs to buck up his ideas. Rio's "flu" probarly had something to do with a certain fergie telling him he had it, with him having just come back from injury. But agree we do need to get some consistency, but we do also need to get the fringe players playing as well as we're going to need them if we have any chance of challening. Its hard to try and find the right balance between the two, but guessing thats why capello is paid so much. Downing is about as useful as a bag of peanuts; even if he is the only left footed winger we have, were better off without him
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Didnt they have 10 men? Didn't they have an unbeaten record in Zagreb before that night? Please let me know. Gotta love england fans. No wonder england are made favourites for the world cup, bookies must be laughing their heads off. "Gotta love" people that need to learn the art of reading. I've not said anywhere that Enlgand will win the World Cup. I've said that the talent is there, clearly, and that Capello just needs to find the method that gets the best out of some of the under performers. If he can get England performing as a unit, with the talent they have, why shouldn't they be considered contenders? They've shown that they can produce some brilliant football in the qualifiers. Moron.
purpleronnie Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Didn't they have an unbeaten record in Zagreb before that night? Please let me know."Gotta love" people that need to learn the art of reading. I've not said anywhere that Enlgand will win the World Cup. I've said that the talent is there, clearly, and that Capello just needs to find the method that gets the best out of some of the under performers. If he can get England performing as a unit, with the talent they have, why shouldn't they be considered contenders? They've shown that they can produce some brilliant football in the qualifiers. Moron. Did I say you did?. Moron. p.s Do you honestly think I mispelt Got to?
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Did I say you did?.Moron. p.s Do you honestly think I mispelt Got to? Err, well, why quote me then? Quote me saying England have a realistic chance? Course I'm going to think your comment is aimed at me. And obviuosly not. I'm not a retard. Unlike some...
purpleronnie Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Err, well, why quote me then? Quote me saying England have a realistic chance? Course I'm going to think your comment is aimed at me.And obviuosly not. I'm not a retard. Unlike some... Anyone got a dictionary? I just quoted you for this comment 'England have just as much quality as Spain individually' how on earth you could watch last night and think that is beyond me. And its reminiscent of the fans who still believe win lose or draw that England are still the best team around. Just like they did after we beat Germany in a friendly, how did Germany get on yesterday? Anyway you think we are as good individually as Spain I (and I don't). Thats it.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Anyone got a dictionary? I just quoted you for this comment 'England have just as much quality as Spain individually' how on earth you could watch last night and think that is beyond me. And its reminiscent of the fans who still believe win lose or draw that England are still the best team around. Just like they did after we beat Germany in a friendly, how did Germany get on yesterday? Anyway you think we are as good individually as Spain I (and I don't). Thats it. Individually, I think they do. If England were to pick their strongest possible XI, which I did mention.
Uncle Albert Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 I think England are the favourites for the World Cup!
ASH17LCFC Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Did I say you did?.Moron. p.s Do you honestly think I mispelt Got to? Your not a real England fan anyway, you just bang on all the time how crap England and the English fans are. England beat a team with 10 men only 4-1 Why don't you just stick to banging on about the US and A and how mighty they are. Real fans they are Whats wrong with saying England could win the world cup. Maybe people just want to believe and never give up that belief that england will one day win a World Cup.
Uncle Albert Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Your not a real England fan anyway, you just bang on all the time how crap England and the English fans are. England beat a team with 10 men only 4-1 Why don't you just stick to banging on about the US and A and how mighty they are. Real fans they are Whats wrong with saying England could win the world cup. Maybe people just want to believe and never give up that belief that england will one day win a World Cup. England were already 2-0 up when Croatia went down to 10 men. We would of seen the game out. I dont know why people bother to reply to this tool who is more bothered about some shitty MLS team. Even I dont bother replying to him. We have one of the best European squads around and we also have one of the best fanbases in the World so I dont see why we cant go out to South Africa next year and kick some arse. IF we can get a top form Rooney, Ferdinand and Gerrard then I think we are one of the best teams in the competition. Yes, yes I know we have to qualify first but we will. England should play 4-2-3-1. Will get the best out of Gerrard and Rooney.
purpleronnie Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 England were already 2-0 up when Croatia went down to 10 men. We would of seen the game out. WRONG! Not surprised.
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