We are the English.

[C-man]

I can't see the point of demonstrating against this, are they expecting the council to bus 'English' (whatever that means) people in?

I'm not even sure it's true, surely you're English if you're born here, are they saying that most of the City inhabitants were not born here?

Ha, it's the most pointless demonstration I've ever heard of. What are they going to do? Encourage whites to have babies or prevent non-whites from having them?

[Hullfox]

Oh dear me.

[Fosse Boy]

would you class this as patriotic? i'm not sure i'd class this as patriotic?

declaring that the 'english' will become a minority in leicester is nonsense. anyone who believes this is clearly repudiating the claim of anyone with the faintest ethnic heritage to be english, and thus repressing the pride of such people and negating their englishness, or english status.

i'd say it is unpatriotic and embarrassing

I wasn't talking about this protest per se, I think it's pointless and is certainly not an attempt at innocent patriotism. I'm just saying that in general, any attempt by English people to express a love of their country in a non-racist and peaceful manner is usually destroyed by far right thugs who make the rest of us, regardless of ethnicity, ashamed to fly the flag lest we be thought of as one of them.

[Tabou]

A protest will do no harm.

A full scale riot/ civil war, on the other hand....

[Lillehamring]

The English are predicted to become a minority in Leicester and we are demonstrating against this.

After re reading the initial post I am worried about this line! Are they suggesting that more people believe themselves to be British rather than English? therefore trhe need to protest? If so I am very much against that! As it has no point at all!

indeed, that is a worrying line, however to me it seems to refer to the fact that 'people from a more recent ethnic descent' will soon out number 'white english' people in leicester.

as such, anyone who believes that preventing this happening needs to have a serious look at themselves.

if it does happen, then it happens, i can't think of a place on earth where an immigrant population has more seemlessly adopted the manners and ways of the host nation than leicester.

instead of feeling hard done by, those potential minority 'english' should realise than one of the few things leicester has to be proud of today is its excellence in racial integration

I wasn't talking about this protest per se, I think it's pointless and is certainly not an attempt at innocent patriotism. I'm just saying that in general, any attempt by English people to express a love of their country in a non-racist and peaceful manner is usually destroyed by far right thugs who make the rest of us, regardless of ethnicity, ashamed to fly the flag lest we be thought of as one of them.

[Kilworthfox]

indeed, that is a worrying line, however to me it seems to refer to the fact that 'people from a more recent ethnic descent' will soon out number 'white english' people in leicester.

as such, anyone who believes that preventing this happening needs to have a serious look at themselves.

if it does happen, then it happens, i can't think of a place on earth where an immigrant population has more seemlessly adopted the manners and ways of the host nation than leicester.

instead of feeling hard done by, those potential minority 'english' should realise than one of the few things leicester has to be proud of today is its excellence in racial integration

Yes that has no place in their attitude to being branded British!

[MPH]

To be fair, and i'm pretty left-wing, I have no-issues with this what-so-ever really.

Fair play to them I say.

what exactly is meant by 'indigenous English?'

your grandparents have to all be english?

your parents both have to be english?

you have to be born in England?

lived in england all my life.. was wearing the England footy top just yesterday actually. but my dad is irish... am i allowed to go?

if so, then people who's dad are arabic, are they allowed to go? because surely there is no difference between someone's dad being irish and someones dad being Arabic , unless off course you judge someone by the colour of their skin?

i bet they will be judged based on the colour of their skin if they go which makes the whole idea of it being good natured a farce.

[Guest Bilo]

I, like Alex, can see this degenerating into a complete mongfest.

Patriotism and pride in one's identity are not necessarily negatives, and I wish that we English were as forward in expressing pride in our identity in a benign way like the Welsh and Scottish in particular. Patriotism is positively encouraged in those nations, and the nationalist parties like Plaid Cymru and the SNP promote a good form of patriotism, the kind that is all inclusive and states that all those who feel pride in their nation deserve to be a part of it. The fact that there isn't a well-known mainstream party that promotes this kind of Englishness is something of a worry.

However, the language in the flyer stating that we must do something about the 'indigenous English' becoming a minority suggests that the motives behind the protest are rather more murky than a simple expression of identity. The likelihood is that this will be hijacked by the BNP and other racists, if it hasn't already. The fact that this protest is being held in a multicultural city like Leicester may also attract some of the worst troublemakers in these odious organisations and they will undoubtedly be seeking to cause tensions between communities. There are enough morons of all racial backgrounds in this city to grant them their wish.

I echo others by saying, Thank God I'll be in Peterborough that day.

[purpleronnie]

We are the ENGLISH

Leicester Demo.

Clock Tower 1pm, Sat. 28th March.

The English are predicted to become a minority in Leicester and we are demonstrating against this.

and

to state that WE ARE ENGLISH! (not British) and have wishes, needs and sensitivities like any other community. Please bring Cross of St. George flags and White Dragon flag of the indigenous English.

THIS DEMO IS LEGAL. IT IS TO BE GOOD NATURED AND IS NOT AIMED AT ANY OTHER ETHNIC GROUP

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This is the flyer I have just recieved through my door.

Makes no sense .

What a load of shit.

[MPH]

I, like Alex, can see this degenerating into a complete mongfest.

Patriotism and pride in one's identity are not necessarily negatives, and I wish that we English were as forward in expressing pride in our identity in a benign way like the Welsh and Scottish in particular. Patriotism is positively encouraged in those nations, and the nationalist parties like Plaid Cymru and the SNP promote a good form of patriotism, the kind that is all inclusive and states that all those who feel pride in their nation deserve to be a part of it. The fact that there isn't a well-known mainstream party that promotes this kind of Englishness is something of a worry.

However, the language in the flyer stating that we must do something about the 'indigenous English' becoming a minority suggests that the motives behind the protest are rather more murky than a simple expression of identity. The likelihood is that this will be hijacked by the BNP and other racists, if it hasn't already. The fact that this protest is being held in a multicultural city like Leicester may also attract some of the worst troublemakers in these odious organisations and they will undoubtedly be seeking to cause tensions between communities. There are enough morons of all racial backgrounds in this city to grant them their wish.

I echo others by saying, Thank God I'll be in Peterborough that day.

i can see the intentions but its extremly badly thought out.

[Zingari]

there seems to be more "non residents of leicester" replying to this for some reason

[Trav Le Bleu]

Am I English?

I was born in England, as were my mother and father and (as far as I know) all my grand-parents.

Then it gets a little more complicated...

Great-grandma was Scottish - from a long line of pure Scots (so much so that she was disinherited for marrying an Englishman (though there's also a story of it was because she married beneath her status - she was a member of the Laing family, the construction firm, who are in the top 50 rishest families in the country.))

Great Grandad on my mum's side was Irish and a shop-owner. His family came over at the turn of the 19th century.

I doubt very few people could trace their families back to Anglo-saxon (were we get England from - Angle-land) lines.

Oh and even if you CAN trace your line back to the Anglo-saxons, that make you GERMAN!

So the English can sod off back to your own country!

[hairy]

I am part Welsh, part Dutch and part Jedi so I cant go. I am happy about that.

[Finnegan]

This is the flyer I have just recieved through my door.

I've never been so glad to read the last line of a post before.

To be fair, and i'm pretty left-wing, I have no-issues with this what-so-ever really.

Fair play to them I say.

Mmmh, I've mixed feelings. I more than anyone love to see the English celebrate their national identity. Three things worry me about that post, though, that you're either naively overlooking or are worryingly unconcerned about.

1. Firstly is the phrase "indigenous English" which, no matter how you cut it, is an implication of ethnic nationalism that is only enforced by:

2. The worried proclaimation that the English are going to become a "minority" in Leicester which again enforces that this is something of an ethnic issue. I'm sure plenty of the Asian community would happily call themselves 'English' by now, the only thing you're lining up for is a white minority which brings me back to point A. Then of course, most importantly, there's...

3. The words "demo" and "demonstration." This isn't some craft faire or English folk festival. This is a demonstration, advertised publically, to enforce all of the above. It doesn't matter how 'friendly' or light hearted it's supposed to be - we all know what kind of goober this is going to represent and I guarantee these pricks spot the same things that I have.

This is far scarier than some of the reactions deserve. It certainly isn't, in my eyes, "fair play to them." And I'd suggest anyone seriously think fucking twice before replying "If this was the Welsh and in Cardif..." because the answer straight away is 'No, I wouldn't.' Racism is racism, poorly disguised or not.

Edit: I see I should have read page two. Good on you, lads. =P

[Trav Le Bleu]

I've never been so glad to read the last line of a post before.

The worried proclaimation that the English are going to become a "minority" in Leicester which again enforces that this is something of an ethnic issue. I'm sure plenty of the Asian community would happily call themselves 'English' by now,

Good point as always.

[Tilley]

I've never been so glad to read the last line of a post before.

[Thracian]

We are the ENGLISH

Leicester Demo.

Clock Tower 1pm, Sat. 28th March.

The English are predicted to become a minority in Leicester and we are demonstrating against this.

and

to state that WE ARE ENGLISH! (not British) and have wishes, needs and sensitivities like any other community. Please bring Cross of St. George flags and White Dragon flag of the indigenous English.

THIS DEMO IS LEGAL. IT IS TO BE GOOD NATURED AND IS NOT AIMED AT ANY OTHER ETHNIC GROUP

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This is the flyer I have just recieved through my door.

I'd love to see the back of this anti-white and anti-English government and the sort of theorists who have fecked our country til it hurts but what is the protest meant to achieve and which bright spark organised it on the day City play at Peterborough?

The government already knows the English have "wishes, needs and sensitivities." They've simply chosen to put the "wishes, needs and sensitivities" of others ahead of the English and to mock the fact that they've done so, they've injected lying comments about "English jobs for English workers".

The protest will be mocked of course. Bound to be. As is their way the left-leaners will staunchly remain in denial.

Some still refuse to even see that illegal immigration is a serious problem. Predictably and conveniently, the government have played the numbers down with the Home Office offering a conservative "guess" of 430,000 "illegal" or "irregular" incomers in 2005.

But the figure issued after a survey conducted by the London School of Economics was 725,000. That was for 2007 and would the politicians have failed to notice? I doubt it because two thirds were said to be living in London.

At the current rate of deportation it will take 34 years and all the associated costs to clear them out. Does that matter? Well yes, at least if you're one of those English jobseekers.

Because, again, the LSE point out that 450,000 illegals could be "regularised" under a five-year mimimum residence programme and that would mean 450,000 more (potential) jobs not being available to the 3.2 million expected to be out of work shortly - and we're talking, of course, English people of all races and religions here, not just whites.

I cannot imagine this gathering in Leicester will have anything to do with the BNP.

The enduringly sad thing is that the BNP don't need some vague agenda like the above. Not any more.

They've got all the evidence of the attack on native whites that they will ever need and the pile grows ever higher by the day.

It's even clear now that the Labour Party are, at long last, running scared. And I'm not surprised. Cos there are those who seriously think that some Labour people should be made to answer for their actions against this country's people - and for the covered-up figures, the deceptions and the half-truths that have helped achieve their aims.

I well understand their point but do you not find it frightening that people should really feel so let down and abandoned?

It would at least be comforting to think that's the Labour Party has finally got a guilty conscience. But they haven't.

They're running scared because the credit crunch has found them out big time as the racist, anti-white/anti-English party they really are.

And when the disreputable mockery of a Lord, (Mandelson) arrogantly claims that immigrants are taking jobs that the English are "not available for, or unwilling to do" then he just emphasises the slant of his party's thinking and heaps insult onto injury. Who needs anti-English evidence when he spouts it like a fountain.

Because the question I'd ask "Screaming Lord" Mandelson is this...

If the British are so sodding lazy how come 3,000 turned up at Twycross Zoo in their bid to fill 150 vacancies. And how come 600 people applied for one job as an emergency call operator in the West Midlands? Presumably they were all foreigners!

What a arsehole the bloke is. Let him work in my son's kitchen for a weekend. He'll show him lazy.

[Shrenchel]

I'd love to see the back of this anti-white and anti-English government and the sort of theorists who have fecked our country til it hurts but what is the protest meant to achieve and which bright spark organised it on the day City play at Peterborough?

The government already knows the English have "wishes, needs and sensitivities." They've simply chosen to put the "wishes, needs and sensitivities" of others ahead of the English and to mock the fact that they've done so, they've injected lying comments about "English jobs for English workers".

The protest will be mocked of course. Bound to be. As is their way the left-leaners will staunchly remain in denial.

Some still refuse to even see that illegal immigration is a serious problem. Predictably and conveniently, the government have played the numbers down with the Home Office offering a conservative "guess" of 430,000 "illegal" or "irregular" incomers in 2005.

But the figure issued after a survey conducted by the London School of Economics was 725,000. That was for 2007 and would the politicians have failed to notice? I doubt it because two thirds were said to be living in London.

At the current rate of deportation it will take 34 years and all the associated costs to clear them out. Does that matter? Well yes, at least if you're one of those English jobseekers.

Because, again, the LSE point out that 450,000 illegals could be "regularised" under a five-year mimimum residence programme and that would mean 450,000 more (potential) jobs not being available to the 3.2 million expected to be out of work shortly - and we're talking, of course, English people of all races and religions here, not just whites.

I cannot imagine this gathering in Leicester will have anything to do with the BNP.

The enduringly sad thing is that the BNP don't need some vague agenda like the above. Not any more.

They've got all the evidence of the attack on native whites that they will ever need and the pile grows ever higher by the day.

It's even clear now that the Labour Party are, at long last, running scared. And I'm not surprised. Cos there are those who seriously think that some Labour people should be made to answer for their actions against this country's people - and for the covered-up figures, the deceptions and the half-truths that have helped achieve their aims.

I well understand their point but do you not find it frightening that people should really feel so let down and abandoned?

It would at least be comforting to think that's the Labour Party has finally got a guilty conscience. But they haven't.

They're running scared because the credit crunch has found them out big time as the racist, anti-white/anti-English party they really are.

And when the disreputable mockery of a Lord, (Mandelson) arrogantly claims that immigrants are taking jobs that the English are "not available for, or unwilling to do" then he just emphasises the slant of his party's thinking and heaps insult onto injury. Who needs anti-English evidence when he spouts it like a fountain.

Because the question I'd ask "Screaming Lord" Mandelson is this...

If the British are so sodding lazy how come 3,000 turned up at Twycross Zoo in their bid to fill 150 vacancies. And how come 600 people applied for one job as an emergency call operator in the West Midlands? Presumably they were all foreigners!

What a arsehole the bloke is. Let him work in my son's kitchen for a weekend. He'll show him lazy.

Are you going then?

[Dr The Singh]

I'd love to see the back of this anti-white and anti-English government and the sort of theorists who have fecked our country til it hurts but what is the protest meant to achieve and which bright spark organised it on the day City play at Peterborough?

The government already knows the English have "wishes, needs and sensitivities." They've simply chosen to put the "wishes, needs and sensitivities" of others ahead of the English and to mock the fact that they've done so, they've injected lying comments about "English jobs for English workers".

The protest will be mocked of course. Bound to be. As is their way the left-leaners will staunchly remain in denial.

Some still refuse to even see that illegal immigration is a serious problem. Predictably and conveniently, the government have played the numbers down with the Home Office offering a conservative "guess" of 430,000 "illegal" or "irregular" incomers in 2005.

But the figure issued after a survey conducted by the London School of Economics was 725,000. That was for 2007 and would the politicians have failed to notice? I doubt it because two thirds were said to be living in London.

At the current rate of deportation it will take 34 years and all the associated costs to clear them out. Does that matter? Well yes, at least if you're one of those English jobseekers.

Because, again, the LSE point out that 450,000 illegals could be "regularised" under a five-year mimimum residence programme and that would mean 450,000 more (potential) jobs not being available to the 3.2 million expected to be out of work shortly - and we're talking, of course, English people of all races and religions here, not just whites.

I cannot imagine this gathering in Leicester will have anything to do with the BNP.

The enduringly sad thing is that the BNP don't need some vague agenda like the above. Not any more.

They've got all the evidence of the attack on native whites that they will ever need and the pile grows ever higher by the day.

It's even clear now that the Labour Party are, at long last, running scared. And I'm not surprised. Cos there are those who seriously think that some Labour people should be made to answer for their actions against this country's people - and for the covered-up figures, the deceptions and the half-truths that have helped achieve their aims.

I well understand their point but do you not find it frightening that people should really feel so let down and abandoned?

It would at least be comforting to think that's the Labour Party has finally got a guilty conscience. But they haven't.

They're running scared because the credit crunch has found them out big time as the racist, anti-white/anti-English party they really are.

And when the disreputable mockery of a Lord, (Mandelson) arrogantly claims that immigrants are taking jobs that the English are "not available for, or unwilling to do" then he just emphasises the slant of his party's thinking and heaps insult onto injury. Who needs anti-English evidence when he spouts it like a fountain.

Because the question I'd ask "Screaming Lord" Mandelson is this...

If the British are so sodding lazy how come 3,000 turned up at Twycross Zoo in their bid to fill 150 vacancies. And how come 600 people applied for one job as an emergency call operator in the West Midlands? Presumably they were all foreigners!

What a arsehole the bloke is. Let him work in my son's kitchen for a weekend. He'll show him lazy.

The thing is Thrac, all the points you have made have had an impact on all walks of English including me, blacks etc etc and not just the natives!! I have nothing against protesting but I would like to know why the so called 'english' are protesting about that is only applicable to them????

[Floating Fox]

To be fair looking at it again, I didn't see the bit where they are "against" Leicester becoming a white minority. - At the end of the day, right or wrong, there is sweet FA you can do, really, to change this.

I thought it was just a demo walking through town parading st.Georges and the like (Which there is nothing wrong with at all), when you look a bit deeper you can see how this is pointless really. What are the hoping to achieve from it?

[Trav Le Bleu]

The last time so many English complained about the influx of foreigners into the country was 1066!

[TrickyTrev]

Errr you do know that there are only 15 ethnic minority MPs don't you Tharc? There must be a lot of self-hating white Labour MPs.

Either that or there is in fact no conspiracy against white people, controlling who comes in and out of your country is in fact quite difficult unless you place people under surveillance once they enter the country and our economic problems have nothing to do with race whatsoever.

[Bellend Sebastian]

If these people are so proud to be English, why do they have to play the sodding victim all the time? I'm struggling to remember constant whining and blaming everyone else for your problems being an inherent trait of the English national identity, but you'd think it was the way everyone carries on

[Finnegan]

It's not about the lefties being in denial, Thracian.

It's about the lefties not wanting shit like this spouted about with no thought given to our brothers and sisters in Leicseter's very welcome Asian community:

"Leicester is the City in England predicted to be the first to have a minority of ethnically English in the near future.

This Demo is aimed against the English becoming a minority in their own land."

The last time so many English complained about the influx of foreigners into the country was 1066!

I giggled.

It reminds me of a bit by Tommy Tiernan:

"England has a fierce reputation for conquering the world. Invading loads of different countries... and then getting upset when those people follow them home"

[Guest Bilo]

So far as I'm concerned Englishness or Britishness is not about colour, race or background.

Do I refuse to cheer when Sean Wright-Phillips scores for England?

Or when Monty Panesar takes an Aussie wicket? (Unlikely scenario but still..... )

The answer to both is obviously no. Many people of many ethnic backgrounds consider themselves to be English, there isn't a distinction between white or 'indigenous' (how I hate that word being applied to human beings) English and non-white English. If you feel an affinity towards England and call yourself English, you are English. End of story.

EDIT :It's protests like this, based as they are along racial identity, that have given the idea of English patriotism a bad name. The cross of St. George, flown outside of major sporting tournaments, now looks to many like a banner of racism and bigotry. The lefties haven't done this, it's the far-right knuckledraggers who have sullied the name of Englishness and dragged it through the dirt.