Trav Le Bleu Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 They moved to greece because they're kids were being taught to speak islamic Dear oh dear some people. So? I speak fluent Buddhist! No racism here though, can't stand racism. Obviously there are cultural differences that people don't agree with or prefer, but that's where tolerance is the key.
Finnegan Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 I prejudge people subconciously but it's rarely, if ever, race related. It's usually on appearance which is admittedly fairly close. But I'm sorry, when you live in a rough London borough like Haringey and you spend all your time out-and-about after dark - having been mugged, followed, threatened and abused - you learn to take a wide arc around anyone who even vaguely looks like trouble. I've never thought to myself "oh Christ there's a blackman I best be careful" but I have on numerous occasions thought "there's three kids loitering around in that alley with their hoods up who clearly think they're Bad Like Fiddy, I'm taking another route." Racist? I don't think so. Prejudice? we all are, it's just we all have different triggers - not everyone's is race.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 I prejudge people subconciously but it's rarely, if ever, race related. It's usually on appearance which is admittedly fairly close. But I'm sorry, when you live in a rough London borough like Haringey and you spend all your time out-and-about after dark - having been mugged, followed, threatened and abused - you learn to take a wide arc around anyone who even vaguely looks like trouble. I've never thought to myself "oh Christ there's a blackman I best be careful" but I have on numerous occasions thought "there's three kids loitering around in that alley with their hoods up who clearly think they're Bad Like Fiddy, I'm taking another route." Racist? I don't think so. Prejudice? we all are, it's just we all have different triggers - not everyone's is race. Good point. I was gonna say something about the difference between racism and prejudice, but you put it better than I would have done. They say you can't judge a book by it's cover, but if you pick up a book with a picture of a soldier charging into battle on its cover, it's unlikely to contain Delia Smith's 100 Best Recipes!
Edmund Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 I mean in Bristol if you wanted to find people of a different race etc you'd have to go to certain areas and to be honest I can only think of two areas like that. Bristol has quite a big west indian population, I know loads of black people from that area.
davieG Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 Good point. I was gonna say something about the difference between racism and prejudice, but you put it better than I would have done.They say you can't judge a book by it's cover, but if you pick up a book with a picture of a soldier charging into battle on its cover, it's unlikely to contain Delia Smith's 100 Best Recipes! And would therefore have been interesting to read
Thracian Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 The thing that gets my end up most is how that we're not allowed to display flags, or close roads to celebrate things due to people from other religions complaining. It's our country for god sake.We don't moan when other religions have festivals that they celebrate, closing roads, putting up banners etc. The reason that happens is because not enough people fight hard enough to defend our traditions. If people who denied us our traditions were put on trial for acting against the interests of English culture that would soon be the end of it.
AMYB101_LCFC Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 Bristol has quite a big west indian population, I know loads of black people from that area. Yeah they are biggish areas I suppose
Finnegan Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 The "it's our country" attitude annoys me - but I do agree with Bert. When people say things like "it's our country" what are they implying? That it isn't Singh's too? It isn't Raj's? That if you aren't a white, Christian, ethnic Englishman it will never be your country? Now - yes Bert - I know that's not what you meant to say and yes I'm twisting your words but a lot of people don't really think about what they're saying. I do agree with you, though, I think it's tragic the English don't, or feel they can't, celebrate being English more. It's a multi-cultural country at the end of the day and everyone should feel that they've the right to go out and celebrate what they are and that includes the English, too. It's unfortunate that most celebrations of "Englishness" are hijacked by the sort of muppets that tried to organize that pseudo-rally in Leicester a couple of weks ago. It's not the so-called "PC crowd" you have to blame it's extremist muppets like them.
Daggers Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 Why is racism so popular as a topic on Foxestalk? Why can't we discuss cooking?
Alexikokopops Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 The reason that happens is because not enough people fight hard enough to defend our traditions. If people who denied us our traditions were put on trial for acting against the interests of English culture that would soon be the end of it. I was gonna say about how it's also due to the stigma associated with it due to groups like the NF and BNP etc, but Finners summed it up for me It's unfortunate that most celebrations of "Englishness" are hijacked by the sort of muppets that tried to organize that pseudo-rally in Leicester a couple of weeks ago. It's not the so-called "PC crowd" you have to blame it's extremist muppets like them.
Fosse Boy Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 The "it's our country" attitude annoys me - but I do agree with Bert.When people say things like "it's our country" what are they implying? That it isn't Singh's too? It isn't Raj's? That if you aren't a white, Christian, ethnic Englishman it will never be your country? Now - yes Bert - I know that's not what you meant to say and yes I'm twisting your words but a lot of people don't really think about what they're saying. I do agree with you, though, I think it's tragic the English don't, or feel they can't, celebrate being English more. It's a multi-cultural country at the end of the day and everyone should feel that they've the right to go out and celebrate what they are and that includes the English, too. It's unfortunate that most celebrations of "Englishness" are hijacked by the sort of muppets that tried to organize that pseudo-rally in Leicester a couple of weks ago. It's not the so-called "PC crowd" you have to blame it's extremist muppets like them. Yep. That pretty much sums it up.
lou Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 I prejudge people subconciously but it's rarely, if ever, race related. It's usually on appearance which is admittedly fairly close. But I'm sorry, when you live in a rough London borough like Haringey and you spend all your time out-and-about after dark - having been mugged, followed, threatened and abused - you learn to take a wide arc around anyone who even vaguely looks like trouble. I've never thought to myself "oh Christ there's a blackman I best be careful" but I have on numerous occasions thought "there's three kids loitering around in that alley with their hoods up who clearly think they're Bad Like Fiddy, I'm taking another route." Racist? I don't think so. Prejudice? we all are, it's just we all have different triggers - not everyone's is race. Ditto... pretty much what I was trying to say too but you said it better! I think we all do that.... even those of us who try very hard not too. A lot of my Sons friends whom I know to be decent kids, make themselves LOOK intimidating by the way they dress and by hanging around in big gangs. They have followed a certain look and by doing so have strengthened the stereotype!
Finnegan Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 Why is racism so popular as a topic on Foxestalk?Why can't we discuss cooking? Ditto... pretty much what I was trying to say too but you said it better! You'll get used to that.
AoWW Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 I prejudge people subconciously but it's rarely, if ever, race related. It's usually on appearance which is admittedly fairly close. But I'm sorry, when you live in a rough London borough like Haringey and you spend all your time out-and-about after dark - having been mugged, followed, threatened and abused - you learn to take a wide arc around anyone who even vaguely looks like trouble. I've never thought to myself "oh Christ there's a blackman I best be careful" but I have on numerous occasions thought "there's three kids loitering around in that alley with their hoods up who clearly think they're Bad Like Fiddy, I'm taking another route." Racist? I don't think so. Prejudice? we all are, it's just we all have different triggers - not everyone's is race. This ^^^ most closely represents my own opinion. I'm not racist but I'm undoubtedly prejudice towards some people/groups. Although I do try hard not to judge on initial appearances/preconceived views, it can be difficult not to at times.
lou Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 I need a lie down in a darkened room after viewing ur profile Finnegan! Not in a rude way either!
Finnegan Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 I need a lie down in a darkened room after viewing ur profile Finnegan! Not in a rude way either! Shhhhhhhhhhh!
purpleronnie Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 The thing that gets my end up most is how that we're not allowed to display flags, or close roads to celebrate things due to people from other religions complaining. It's our country for god sake.We don't moan when other religions have festivals that they celebrate, closing roads, putting up banners etc. Do people from other religions complain though? Maybe on occassion but when I have read stories about that its always the councils who decide against it because they 'feel' it 'might' cause problems.
lou Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 Do people from other religions complain though? Maybe on occassion but when I have read stories about that its always the councils who decide against it because they 'feel' it 'might' cause problems. No they dont give a shit.... its some council official trying to justify themselves being in a 40k position! Sorry Finnegan
Fosse Boy Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 Do people from other religions complain though? Maybe on occassion but when I have read stories about that its always the councils who decide against it because they 'feel' it 'might' cause problems. That's a phrase I don't get. We're hardly a fucking theocracy are we? The UK is pretty much a secular country.
Edmund Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 I need a lie down in a darkened room after viewing ur profile Finnegan! Not in a rude way either!
Thracian Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 Do people from other religions complain though? Maybe on occassion but when I have read stories about that its always the councils who decide against it because they 'feel' it 'might' cause problems. Yes the councils and the government are either scared stiff to stand up for our traditions or they hate them so much they can't wait to see them disappear. I cannot believe the latest example. A Government-funded charity has published a magazine that depicts Christians as Islamaphobes. The magazine carries a cartoon strip in which a boy wearing the Christian symbol of a cross around his neck is shown telling a friend that a smiling Muslim girl in a veil looks like a terrorist. The boy later confronts her and says "what are you hiding under your turban?" She replies that the garment is a hijab and that it is part of her religion "like the cross you wear". The girl is then shown standing up for another boy who is being bullied and her behaviour is contrasted to that of the boy wearing the cross. The cartoon is in the latest issue of Klic a quarterly magazine aimed at 12-year-olds and published by the charity Who Cares described on its cover as "the best ever mag for kids in care". The magazine received £100,000 from the anti-English, anti-Christian government I've so often mentioned in 2007 and 2008 plus £80,000 this year as a helping hand towards the publishing of this sort of thing .
Webbo Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 No because black peple have been opressed for centuries so to see an african american rise to the most powerful man on earth is an amazing thing. When are we going to be allowed to forget that?There was slavery in Africa (and still is in places) while we were still living in caves. To hear some people talk you'd think all these slaves were stolen from peace loving socialist utopias. The fact is most slaves taken to America were captured prisoners sold to the traders by rival tribal chiefs.The conditions that slaves in America lived in were better than working class European peasants at the same time.
davieG Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 Ys the councils and the government are either scared stiff to stand up for our traditions or they hate them so much they can't wait to see them disappear. Is this because they fear being called racists by their peers?
Edmund Posted 5 April 2009 Posted 5 April 2009 When are we going to be allowed to forget that?There was slavery in Africa (and still is in places) while we were still living in caves. To hear some people talk you'd think all these slaves were stolen from peace loving socialist utopias. The fact is most slaves taken to America were captured prisoners sold to the traders by rival tribal chiefs.The conditions that slaves in America lived in were better than working class European peasants at the same time. Sorry but what a load of bullshit.
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