How racist are you?

[C-man]

Aslong as the people speak English...I have no problem. The way i see it is if you want to live in England, at least make the effort to speak the basic language.

Oh, like every English person makes an effort to learn 2 words of any other language when they go on holiday?

As far as I'm concerned, anyone should be able to speak any language they like. If I went to India, with my girlfriend (who is Indian, herself), we'd speak English. I doubt that would offend many Asians.

[Koke]

Oh, like every English person makes an effort to learn 2 words of any other language when they go on holiday?

As far as I'm concerned, anyone should be able to speak any language they like. If I went to India, with my girlfriend (who is Indian, herself), we'd speak English. I doubt that would offend many Asians.

I think because we are lucky that English is a universal language. And in many countries you can get away with speaking English.

When we lived in Jordan for two years back in 1995, there was this American couple who lived just across the road. Their lad was the same age as me and he went to a private American school in a suburb of Amman, while I went to a local state school. He couldn't speak a word Arabic and his parents could barely string a sentence together. They did everything in English. It didn't bother us, we were still best friends. And I don't think the locals were offended or anything, not that I know of as I was only 11. I remember my mum and his mum being very close as well.

J.Lisemore is right though - Just out of courtesy and respect, it'd be nice if people could make an effort in learning the basics of the language of the country they reside.

[ozleicester]

When are we going to be allowed to forget that?There was slavery in Africa (and still is in places) while we were still living in caves.

To hear some people talk you'd think all these slaves were stolen from peace loving socialist utopias. The fact is most slaves taken to America were captured prisoners sold to the traders by rival tribal chiefs.The conditions that slaves in America lived in were better than working class European peasants at the same time.

He who forgets History, is doomed to repeat it.

Nevertheless they were stolen, kidnapped and forced to live and work in situations and conditions completely unnaceptable.

I would say the only people who are truly racist are the ones who cause physical or mental harm to someone just because of their religion or skin colour, i.e beating up or killing those people.

Most of the other stuff is just friendly banter i think

But when i hear Polish people are getting jobs in Britain, and perfectly qualified British people are missing out on those jobs, i think thats unfair, does that make me racist

yes

We all make assumptions based on what we see. If a particular ethnic group is particularly disadvantaged, we connote negative things with them whether we're aware of it or not. Some people can ignore it, some can't.

Once prejudice takes hold, though, said connotations become a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is how positive discrimination is justified by some, because its' proponents think it's the only way to break the cycle.

Positive discrimination is still discrimination, IMHO there is no place for any type of discrimination, each person should be judged entirley by who they are, and what they do.

If i introduce you to my close friends Kester and Dirant, you know nothing about them..colour, race, sex, etc etc. So how will you judge them...i imagine you will sit at your screen and await their input into this forum and you will decide your opinoin of them based on what they write and display here?

Why cant we do that with everyone we meet?

[Thracian]

He who forgets History, is doomed to repeat it.

Nevertheless they were stolen, kidnapped and forced to live and work in situations and conditions completely unnaceptable.

yes

Positive discrimination is still discrimination, IMHO there is no place for any type of discrimination, each person should be judged entirley by who they are, and what they do.

If i introduce you to my close friends Kester and Dirant, you know nothing about them..colour, race, sex, etc etc. So how will you judge them...i imagine you will sit at your screen and await their input into this forum and you will decide your opinoin of them based on what they write and display here?

Why cant we do that with everyone we meet?

Absolutely. Positive discrimination is just an excuse for others to get away with blatantly discriminating against white people.

The policy has created more racial resentment than any other single factor.

[Zingari]

Here is a list of some derogatory names for whites from non-whites: How about Paleface, Gaijin (japanese), Gaiko (more derogatory version of gaijin), Round Eye (japanese), Yang-Gui-Zi (chinese for "foreign devil"), Fan-Kuei (chinese for "ocean ghost"), Gwai-Lo (chinese for "white ghost"), Lofan (chinese), Da-bi-zi (chinese for "big-nosed"), Gringo (mexican), Guerro (hispanic), Umlungu (zulu for "white scum that forms in the surf"), White Nigger (black name for Irish in the 1800s), Goy/Goyim (jewish for "human cattle"), Shagitz or Shiksa (jewish for "worm"), Scheiss Ami (german), Peckerwood (originated by blacks in the civil war), Haole (polynesian), Pakeha (maori for "white devil"), Moon Cricket (american indians), Kabloonuk (inuit for "bushy eyebrows"), Island Monkey (german term for british), Firangi (arabic for "european")

are whites more thick skinned than other races ? because personally i'd feel insulted by very few of these .

or is slitty eye worse than round eye , or redskin worse than paleface ? etc etc

i quite like moon cricket actually , is it something to do with 20twenty ?

[Dr The Singh]

People often say we all have racist tendencies in all of us, but whether you're an actual racist all depends on how much it actually effects you when treating other people. It's how you control your innate prejudice that matters. You agree? I refuse to admit that I have subconscious prejudices towards other races (as I've been told everyone has), because I simply do not. That's not me taking the moral high ground though.

Do you have subconscious prejudices towards other races or ethnic groups, despite treating everyone equally?

I think there's always an amount of 'preferentialism' towards your kin and tribe, whether that overflows into racial malignment is dependant on circumstances and the individual!! Eg of preferentialism, 'I would prefer my son to marry a Sikh girl, but of he married a christian white girl I wouldn't hate him for doing so and would gladly accpt it (pending she had a fit mother who fancied some Singh in her)!!'

I believe were are genetically prone to follow a 'tribe' or be part of a pack, majority of people are born into there religion, and without question follow that faith, I would go as far to say 95% of those people don't really know much about it and have no idea why they follow it, other then that they were born into it!! Pack\tribal mentality is slowly diminishing in the west as we interact far beyond our tribe, and those tribal strengths are no longer required, hence inter tribal ignorances and preferentials will slowly diminish, maybe not in my lifetime, but hopefully not long after!!!

[Alexikokopops]

Aslong as the people speak English...I have no problem. The way i see it is if you want to live in England, at least make the effort to speak the basic language.

Oh, like every English person makes an effort to learn 2 words of any other language when they go on holiday?

As far as I'm concerned, anyone should be able to speak any language they like. If I went to India, with my girlfriend (who is Indian, herself), we'd speak English. I doubt that would offend many Asians.

He said "live", not "visit the country for a couple of weeks on holiday". If I moved to Spain I'd make a huge effort to learn the language as quickly as possible, it's not that outlandish a thing to say.

[Flynny]

Absolutely. Positive discrimination is just an excuse for others to get away with blatantly discriminating against white people.

The policy has created more racial resentment than any other single factor.

Exactly, as well as being just as unfair it creates resentment and backfires massively, and so doesn't achieve what it sets out to do. I was just saying that that's how people justify it to themselves.

Didn't mean to sound like I was coming out in favour of it or owt. Ultimately you've just got to trust in human nature rather than trying to engineer solutions to social problems that only go on to cause massive positive feedback loops.

[Daggers]

[Finnegan]

Here is a list of some derogatory names for whites from non-whites: How about Paleface, Gaijin (japanese), Gaiko (more derogatory version of gaijin), Round Eye (japanese), Yang-Gui-Zi (chinese for "foreign devil"), Fan-Kuei (chinese for "ocean ghost"), Gwai-Lo (chinese for "white ghost"), Lofan (chinese), Da-bi-zi (chinese for "big-nosed"), Gringo (mexican), Guerro (hispanic), Umlungu (zulu for "white scum that forms in the surf"), White Nigger (black name for Irish in the 1800s), Goy/Goyim (jewish for "human cattle"), Shagitz or Shiksa (jewish for "worm"), Scheiss Ami (german), Peckerwood (originated by blacks in the civil war), Haole (polynesian), Pakeha (maori for "white devil"), Moon Cricket (american indians), Kabloonuk (inuit for "bushy eyebrows"), Island Monkey (german term for british), Firangi (arabic for "european")

are whites more thick skinned than other races ? because personally i'd feel insulted by very few of these .

or is slitty eye worse than round eye , or redskin worse than paleface ? etc etc

i quite like moon cricket actually , is it something to do with 20twenty ?

WATASHI WA BAKA GAIJIN DESU!

[C-man]

He said "live", not "visit the country for a couple of weeks on holiday". If I moved to Spain I'd make a huge effort to learn the language as quickly as possible, it's not that outlandish a thing to say.

Yeah okay, I might have misinterpreted his post. Meh, I was pissed.

I think that I was assuming that he was referring to when you hear a group of (Polish, for example) immigrants speak their own language to each other. It's not that they haven't learnt the language. I can't see a situation where a person could go to live in a country and not try and learn that language.

Personally, I have no problem with Poles/Arabs etc speaking in whatever language they choose to, but I've worked in places (Bedworth, for example) where we've had Polish workers who have been looked down on because they are speaking Polish 'behind your back'.

I dunno, I suppose I just don't get that argument.

[Finnegan]

I wouldn't go to live anywhere I couldn't at least say my pleases and thankyous.

[Guest]

I've worked in places (Bedworth, for example) where we've had Polish workers who have been looked down on because they are speaking Polish 'behind your back'.

Speaking English in Bedworth will get you funny looks.

[Sir Fynwy]

Speaking English in Bedworth will get you funny looks.

Who brought Bedworth into this, walking and talking at the same time is a feat there.

[BlabyFox]

I'm racist enough to object to the construction of mosques or what have you in this country.

[Alexikokopops]

I'm racist enough to object to the construction of mosques or what have you in this country.

Why?

[Webbo]

I don't know what films you watch, but the slaves weren't living a comfy life. I think you are reading/watching distorted history. And it has nothing to do with how peasants in Europe were living. Seperate subject

Millions of stolen people disappeared, either being chucked overboard on the way to the states or being sold for who knows what when they got there. I'm sure they would of rather stayed at home. And the problems in Africa wouldn't of been a quarter as bad without the white slave traders going there and paying warlords to bring them as many people as possible

Thanks for the history lesson, I had no idea

.I never denied that black slaves had it bad, my point was that they weren't the only ones.

By the way there was just as many Arab slave traders as white and they carried on slaving long after it had been outlawed in the west.

The world hasn't moved on at all. More people get mass-murdered now than ever. The 20th century was the bloodiest in history and the 21st is already set to overtake that.

The reason peoples circumstances will never improve is because people believe the illusion that 'leaders of the world' really give a shit about us. It's laughable to me when people stick up for any world leader. They all sell weapons to eachother and also manufacture thousands of tons of chemical weapons (which when they get used they will blame others for). The situation is that bad you have to laugh

To pretend that the lives of working class black people in America hasn't improved in the last 40 years is just ridiculous.

[BoneDog]

I'm racist enough to object to the construction of mosques or what have you in this country.

[Daggers]

Why?

I'm betting it's because he's a filthy little racist.

[BoneDog]

Thanks for the history lesson, I had no idea

1. .I never denied that black slaves had it bad, my point was that they weren't the only ones.

By the way there was just as many Arab slave traders as white and they carried on slaving long after it had been outlawed in the west.

2. To pretend that the lives of working class black people in America hasn't improved in the last 40 years is just ridiculous.

1. I didn't realise you were saying that.

2. I wasn't talking about black people in America, was mentioning how the world hasn't moved on, meaning all the bloodshed caused by government funded wars mainly in the middle-east and Afghanistan where over a million innocent people have lost their lives in the last 7 years.

And yes I agree there has always been slavery. In some cases though people were treated alot worse than in other times. Believe it or not, some slaves have been treated as humans.

[Guest Bilo]

Where do Millwall fans fit into this racismometer? Leeds will just love being represented by the red square.......

[Guest Bilo]

I'm racist enough to object to the construction of mosques or what have you in this country.

By 'what have you' do you mean all places of worship? Or just places of worship that represent religions likely to be practiced primarily by non-white and immigrant communities?

[Corky]

I'm racist enough to object to the construction of mosques or what have you in this country.

Bernard Manning has been resurrected.

[Finnegan]

I'm racist enough to object to the construction of mosques or what have you in this country.

BlabyFox is Webbo's "I'm feeling controversial today" account?

[Fez of Mahrez]

The thing that gets my end up most is how that we're not allowed to display flags, or close roads to celebrate things due to people from other religions complaining. It's our country for god sake.

We don't moan when other religions have festivals that they celebrate, closing roads, putting up banners etc.

I do know it's only the minority that normally complain, but if they can have their celebrations, why can't we have ours?

It is a very touchy subject though, and I have a few friends from different cultures, backgrounds, religion and race.

Goes the other way too. A couple of Indian families moved onto our street a couple of years ago and a couple of households responded by putting up English flags.

On a more specific point, and this isn't directed at you Bert as I know you don't mean (just) this, but who the **** has ever celebrated St George's Day anyway, short of getting pissed? Yet suddenly it's an outrage that English people "can't celebrate St George's Day". I don't ever remember anyone doing anything for St George's Day before Kosovans started living in Northampton (for example), so why does everyone desperately want to start now? I think I know why, because people in this country are happier moaning than actually getting on with their lives. Wankers.