Thracian Posted 17 October 2009 Posted 17 October 2009 What about Porter, on the left wing?I think he could be be the answer to England's left sided problem Seriously though, I'd like to see a winger or two on the Bench, Gradel for DJ Amazing how desperate people seem to keep DJ out of the side. Are you an agent or something?
BedsFox Posted 17 October 2009 Posted 17 October 2009 Would like to see Weale Morrison Hobbs Brown Berner Adams King Wellens Dyer Fryatt Waghorn Logan, McGivern, Oakley, Howards, Gallagher, kermorgant, Campbell More creativity down the right hand side, and Adams takes over Oakley's dead ball taking More pace up front, with loads of options on the bench Palace will come and frustrate, men behind the ball. Need pace and invention to break them down. Today's team showed little sign of that Do I think it will happen? Not a chance. Oakley seems to be first name on the sheet but he's behind King and Wellens to me and a waste of time on the right hand side
dimmerchant Posted 17 October 2009 Posted 17 October 2009 Weale Oakley (I agree with Thracian, I don't think he has as much of an impact as Wellens and King but shouldn't be dropped, would be a good right back if he got back and stayed in position, something he struggled to do today on the right of midfield.) Hobbs Brown Berner Adams King Wellens Dyer Gallagher Campbell Bring on Waghorn/Fryatt and Howard in the second half for fresh legs and impact.
ACF Posted 17 October 2009 Posted 17 October 2009 Weale Morrison Hobbs Brown BrunoGradel/Adams Wellens King DyerKermo Fryatt/WaggySubs- Logan, McGivern, Gradel/Adams, Oakley, Gallagher, Howard, Fryatt/WaghornNo room for DJ, wanted him in, but no room.This is all based on PlayerRatings btw
Flynny Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 If Pearson must play Oakley then Thracian's got me convinced - Right back is the best place for him. On the right wing we need the sort of penetration that was lacking today (yesterday). I wish Gradel was impressing in training . Weale Oakley - Hobbs - Brown - BernerN'Guessen - Wellens - King - DyerFryatt - DJ/Gallagher/Waghorn
Thracian Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 If Pearson must play Oakley then Thracian's got me convinced - Right back is the best place for him. On the right wing we need the sort of penetration that was lacking today (yesterday).I wish Gradel was impressing in training . Weale Oakley - Hobbs - Brown - BernerN'Guessen - Wellens - King - DyerFryatt - DJ/Gallagher/Waghorn It's only an idea I think might be worth trying. It lifts the goals potential of the team and I don't see how we'll climb the league unless we start scoring. Trouble is on the Gradel/N'Guessan issue I can't see N'Guessdan doing the tracking back Gradel does and, in any case, he's shown precious little as a winger. Times I've got the impression he might show something but, rather like Sylla, he never seems to generate any pace. Only when he heads for the penalty area does he seem to have a presence. Another point is that Gradel can take a free-kick and seems to be the last of his species in the club!
Flynny Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 It's only an idea I think might be worth trying. It lifts the goals potential of the team and I don't see how we'll climb the league unless we start scoring. Trouble is on the Gradel/N'Guessan issue I can't see N'Guessdan doing the tracking back Gradel does and, in any case, he's shown precious little as a winger. Times I've got the impression he might show something but, rather like Sylla, he never seems to generate any pace. Only when he heads for the penalty area does he seem to have a presence. Another point is that Gradel can take a free-kick and seems to be the last of his species in the club! Yet to be convinced by N'Guessan myself - seems unintelligent to me, but I've missed games where he's supposedly played well so I can't complain too much.
TrickyTrev Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 Would someone give me some reasons why they'd pick Kermorgant? He showed a bit of a leap and a bit of skill in his first 15 minute cameo if memory serves but to me it's as bad as the Kaebi frenzy and we all know how that ended. From what little I've seen so far he's not in DJ's class. Nor as good as Gallagher outside the box or as forceful of Waghorn in it. Yes, all the choices are flawed but right now, even 4-5-1 would be preferable to using strikers who don't score cos I can't see the point in that at all. He is most similar in style to Howard, so his inclusion causes the minimum of disturbance to the teams style, but he is far more mobile and looks like he can pick a pass. The logic behind advocating Yann is that he looks like a possible upgrade on one malfunctioning areas of our team. The other players you speak of would require more deep rooted changes in the way the team plays. If you pick Waghorn or Campbell to partner Fryatt then you are going to need to find a way to get some attacking midfielders threading passes to them, this might require not using wingers and moving away from a flat midfield. Just shoe horn them into a 4-4-2 and you'll be knocking hopeful long passes towards grateful defenders all day. I thought the Derby match was the perfect opportunity for us to try such changes to the side. The lumping it to Howard thing has been looking less and less effective as the season has gone on and we've been forced to abandon a flat midfield in several matches due to being over run. Sadly Pearson declined the opportunity and I guess from here on in we'll see a 4-4-2 with a target man and at least one 'traditional' winger. I suspect we'll see the following midfield/attack... Gallagher/Oakley......Wellens......King...Dyer ...........................Fryat....Yann I'd like to see us play a 4-2-3-1. Have N'Guessen and Waghorn roaming off their wings and finally providing some outlets for our talented passers as well as bodies in the box when we do get forward. ...............King.....Welens... ....N'Gussen...Gallagher....Waghorn.. ....................Fryatt
Koke Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 I personally think we should play Gallagher. I still maintain that he needs to start and be played at his rightful positions, because he's certainly one of our better players creativity wise. Yet another player who's victim of his own versatility.
the buckwheat Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 Weale Morrison Hobbs Brown Berner Adams Oakley Wellens Dyer Kermo / Fryatt Subbs : Dj Campbell, Waghorn, King, N'Guessan, Logan, Mcgivern, Gallagher
Messi Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 Weale Morrison Brown Hobbs BernerGallagher Oakley King DyerWaghorn Kermorgant
Leicester Rule! Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 This is a must win game now after 2 draws on the trot.
Candidcamera Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 Palace will have pace up front but slow defenders. We need an attack capable of out pacing them. Also, I would freshen up the defence with McGivern. Weale Morrison Hobbs Brown McGivern Waghorn Oakley Wellens Dyer Kermorgant/Gallagher Fryatt
King Cal Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 WEALE MORRISON HOBBS BROWN BERNERGRADEL OAKLEY WELLENS WAGHORN HOWARD FRYATT SUBS: LOGAN MCGIVERN N GUESSAN ADAMS KING/CLEMENCE KERMAGANT CAMPBELL Unfair on Andy King as he was superb against Derby, we got to start taking on the full backs and getting balls in the box, N'Guessan, Dyer, Adams all bottle it and come inside, Gradel goes past players although his delievery can be poor at times, remember the cross Waghorn put in against Watford for N'Guessan's header? Quick, likes to take on players, left footed, got all the right attributes to be a good left sided midfielder.
Thracian Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 He is most similar in style to Howard, so his inclusion causes the minimum of disturbance to the teams style, but he is far more mobile and looks like he can pick a pass. The logic behind advocating Yann is that he looks like a possible upgrade on one malfunctioning areas of our team.The other players you speak of would require more deep rooted changes in the way the team plays. If you pick Waghorn or Campbell to partner Fryatt then you are going to need to find a way to get some attacking midfielders threading passes to them, this might require not using wingers and moving away from a flat midfield. Just shoe horn them into a 4-4-2 and you'll be knocking hopeful long passes towards grateful defenders all day. I thought the Derby match was the perfect opportunity for us to try such changes to the side. The lumping it to Howard thing has been looking less and less effective as the season has gone on and we've been forced to abandon a flat midfield in several matches due to being over run. Sadly Pearson declined the opportunity and I guess from here on in we'll see a 4-4-2 with a target man and at least one 'traditional' winger. I suspect we'll see the following midfield/attack... Gallagher/Oakley......Wellens......King...Dyer ...........................Fryat....Yann I'd like to see us play a 4-2-3-1. Have N'Guessen and Waghorn roaming off their wings and finally providing some outlets for our talented passers as well as bodies in the box when we do get forward. ...............King.....Welens... ....N'Gussen...Gallagher....Waghorn.. ....................Fryatt That's well reasoned and highlights something I mentioned a few weeks back - that it is so hard to find solutions to our problems without causing other difficulties or imbalances elsewhere. Even Fryatt poses problems because, while he's our main goalscorer and virtually undroppable, he is not a Sheringham or Berbatov type who can deftly bring others into play. For me we need to find a team and a system which brings the best out of all its components.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 I'd like to see a whole new formation. A MON 3-5-2 style with wing-backs. Something like this: Weale Morrison - Brown - HobbsN'Guessan-------------------------BernerOakley - King - Wellens Fryatt - Kermorgant But the weakness would certainly be on the right as we dont really have anyone who could play as a wing back on that side as N'Guessan is really a winger. Unless we played Neilson....
marbelladave Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 That's well reasoned and highlights something I mentioned a few weeks back - that it is so hard to find solutions to our problems without causing other difficulties or imbalances elsewhere.Even Fryatt poses problems because, while he's our main goalscorer and virtually undroppable, he is not a Sheringham or Berbatov type who can deftly bring others into play. For me we need to find a team and a system which brings the best out of all its components. Abso****inglutely! Yesterday we played a passing game in midfield and a long ball big man/little man up front, total bloody nonsense! We must know the strengths and weaknesses of our squad by know so FFS decide on a style of play and pick the players to play it. Until we do that we are going nowhere, slowly and tediously.
Shane Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 GK: Weale RB: Morrison CB: Hobbs CB: Brown LB: Berner RM: Adams CM: Oakley CM: Wellens LM: N'Guessan ST: Kermogant ST: DJ/Fryatt
Guest ttfn Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 As much as he's not scored for 4 games, I just don't think that, given our lack of goals this season, we can afford to drop the Championship's second top scorer at this stage, so Fryatt must play - it's pretty clear he works best with a big man, but we've become a bit predictable, so I'd probably go with Campbell up front with him... Weale Morrison Hobbs Brown Berner Gallagher Oakley Wellens Dyer Fryatt Campbell subs: Logan, King, Waghorn, Howard, McGivern, N'Guessan, Gradel.
Corky Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 Weale Morrison Hobbs Brown Berner Oakley Wellens King Dyer Fryatt Kermo
orangecity23 Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 I've been thinking (dangerous, I know ) and I'd quite fancy a 4-3-3. Weale Morrison Hobbs Brown Berner Oakley King Wellens Gallagher Fryatt Waghorn Bench: Logan, DJ, Kermorgant, Howard, Dyer, McGivern, Adams The thinking behind this was that we seem to be wanting to play a passing game in our build up play at home, and the diamond was pretty effective at that. The downside was the lack of width. So this time out, use gallagher and waghorn on the sides of the front 3, where they can work the channels to stretch the palace defence. Has a nice balance with the left footed waghorn on the left and right footed gallagher on the right. Nice solid central 3 in midfield, which is going to be important, as Palace are bound to be pretty physically strong in the middle of the park. The big downside is no real height up front, which means no hoofing! If we're playing balls in the air with this formation, it would have to be in the form of diagonal balls into the channel. Howard or Yann can come off the bench if Fryatt gets too outmuscled by the 2 centre backs.
Simo86 Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Weale Morrison Berner Hobbs Brown Adams Dyer Wellens Oakley Kermorgant Fryatt Subs: Logan, McGivern, Campbell, Waghorn, Howard, King, Neilson Thats what i'd like to see, but as long as we play with 2 wingers i'll be happy. Oakley cannot play wide as he drifts inside and leaves us unbalanced.
breadandcheese Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Team I'd like to see tried. Weale Morrison Hobbs Brown BernerGradel King Wellens DyerFryatt Gallagher I'd like to see this tried as with Gallagher's natural inclination to drop off slightly deeper into the hole, this can give a little extra space and licence for our wingers to push forward more. With this in mind, I'd use Dyer and Gradel's pace.
marbelladave Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 I've been thinking (dangerous, I know ) and I'd quite fancy a 4-3-3.Weale Morrison Hobbs Brown Berner Oakley King Wellens Gallagher Fryatt Waghorn Bench: Logan, DJ, Kermorgant, Howard, Dyer, McGivern, Adams The thinking behind this was that we seem to be wanting to play a passing game in our build up play at home, and the diamond was pretty effective at that. The downside was the lack of width. So this time out, use gallagher and waghorn on the sides of the front 3, where they can work the channels to stretch the palace defence. Has a nice balance with the left footed waghorn on the left and right footed gallagher on the right. Nice solid central 3 in midfield, which is going to be important, as Palace are bound to be pretty physically strong in the middle of the park. The big downside is no real height up front, which means no hoofing! If we're playing balls in the air with this formation, it would have to be in the form of diagonal balls into the channel. Howard or Yann can come off the bench if Fryatt gets too outmuscled by the 2 centre backs. Exactly the sort of line up some of us have been banging on about for weeks. Personally I would have a bit more pace than would be provided by Gallagher or Fryatt so would replace one of them with Dyer, who remains in decent form despite our generally poor attacking play of late. He has to play further forward though, press their back line when we loose possession and let Wellens cover Berner.
suffolk fox Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Mr Pearson will play the same team against Palace as started against Derby mark my words!
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