MPH Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 I think burkas should be compulsory whenever I see women or girls wearing jeans or leggings that are at least two sizes too small, and tops that are too short. spoilsport.
Dr The Singh Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 It shows moronic society is, I really wish people would use there common sense. If a person wishes to wear a burkha, mini skirt or whatever it's there freedom and will to do so. However in certain aspects and duties in society the burkha and mini skirt is not appropriate and hence should not be worn ie teaching children, working in environments where security and identification is a must, and those that do wear it shouldn't cry 'persecution' when there not allowed to in those circumstances!!
Durnerz Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 I'd rather we round up the ones not paying their way in this country and either a) Make them get a job and contribute to the home we have provided for them or b) Go back to a place they don't have to worry about getting funny looks wearing religious dress (and by that I don't mean Bradford). All the rest are fine by me, easily pleased.
Daggers Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 It shows moronic society is, I really wish people would use there common sense. If a person wishes to wear a burkha, mini skirt or whatever it's there freedom and will to do so. However in certain aspects and duties in society the burkha and mini skirt is not appropriate and hence should not be worn ie teaching children, working in environments where security and identification is a must, and those that do wear it shouldn't cry 'persecution' when there not allowed to in those circumstances!! What Singh said. One woman I worked with in a Secondary used to wear a mini and go commando every day. She was suspended for refusing to wrap up a bit better, it all ended in court with unions and the like. She lost. She was tasty mind you, no wonder Home Ec was popular with the lads of Billericay.
Head Honcho Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 What Singh said.One woman I worked with in a Secondary used to wear a mini and go commando every day. She was suspended for refusing to wrap up a bit better, it all ended in court with unions and the like. She lost. She was tasty mind you, no wonder Home Ec was popular with the lads of Billericay. ..........................is she on Facebook?
Dr The Singh Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 ..........................is she on Facebook? Mrs SIngh was distraught when she lost her appeal!!
Daggers Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 Mrs SIngh was distraught when she lost her appeal!! I'll always find her appealing
Head Honcho Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 Mrs SIngh was distraught when she lost her appeal!! Doh!
Webbo Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 She was tasty mind you, no wonder Home Ec was popular with the lads of Billericay. We used to have a geography teacher like that. She used to wear skimpy vest tops and hot pants and she was always bending down in front of us showing us all her goodies. Happy days.
Head Honcho Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 We used to have a geography teacher like. She used to wear skimpy vest tops and hot pants and she was always bending down in front of us showing us all her goodies.Happy days. .............is she on Facebook?
Webbo Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 .............is she on Facebook? The face was the worst bit. She must be pushing 60 now anyway.
Head Honcho Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 The face was the worst bit. She must be pushing 60 now anyway. Even better
Zingari Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 I'll try and restate that people wearing what they want is not the problem . It's whether they are coerced , indoctrinated or somehow forced by the society in which they live to wear such garb . No-one seems to have any trouble grasping the netle that women in past western male dominated societies have conformed to whatever that society imposes on it . For instance , does anyone really believe that women is certain social circles in england enjoyed winching themselves into whalebone corsets , ? Do they really believe that these women would have answered truthfully at the time that they didn't ? Would they have dared not to conform ? Only slowly in the west did women break away from this male dominated enslavement of the mind. Ask any feminist and she will no doubt tell you in no uncertain terms that this was tolerated by women that really had no other choice , and they were the victims of the male dominated society . Why do they not seem to be asking the same questions of women's role in muslim society ? i'm not sure this is what is happening in the muslim world now , but there are certainly some parallels to consider because I really still do not believe that people would choose to dress like this en-masse , but I'm still ready to listen to genuine reasons as to why they would
Webbo Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 I'll try and restate that people wearing what they want is not the problem . It's whether they are coerced , indoctrinated or somehow forced by the society in which they live to wear such garb . No-one seems to have any trouble grasping the netle that women in past western male dominated societies have conformed to whatever that society imposes on it . For instance , does anyone really believe that women is certain social circles in england enjoyed winching themselves into whalebone corsets , ? Do they really believe that these women would have answered truthfully at the time that they didn't ? Would they have dared not to conform ? Only slowly in the west did women break away from this male dominated enslavement of the mind. Ask any feminist and she will no doubt tell you in no uncertain terms that this was tolerated by women that really had no other choice , and they were the victims of the male dominated society . Why do they not seem to be asking the same questions of women's role in muslim society ? i'm not sure this is what is happening in the muslim world now , but there are certainly some parallels to consider because I really still do not believe that people would choose to dress like this en-masse , but I'm still ready to listen to genuine reasons as to why they would I take your point but I don't think much of your analogy. There's difference between covering yourself from head to foot to make yourself a shapeless blob and wearing a corset to make your chest look bigger and waist smaller.I don't believe women were forced to dress like that (the corset wearers) against their will either.
Zingari Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 I take your point but I don't think much of your analogy. There's difference between covering yourself from head to foot to make yourself a shapeless blob and wearing a corset to make your chest look bigger and waist smaller.I don't believe women were forced to dress like that (the corset wearers) against their will either. maybe you don't believe that and i'm not sure i do myself , but ask a feminist and most will argue that they were forced by society . i'm merely asking why western feminists seem not to raise the subject and i disagree , i think being covered head to foot is equally if not greater torment than a corset , but then i've no actual experience have a listen to pat condell
Koke Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 I'll try and restate that people wearing what they want is not the problem . It's whether they are coerced , indoctrinated or somehow forced by the society in which they live to wear such garb . No-one seems to have any trouble grasping the netle that women in past western male dominated societies have conformed to whatever that society imposes on it . For instance , does anyone really believe that women is certain social circles in england enjoyed winching themselves into whalebone corsets , ? Do they really believe that these women would have answered truthfully at the time that they didn't ? Would they have dared not to conform ? Only slowly in the west did women break away from this male dominated enslavement of the mind. Ask any feminist and she will no doubt tell you in no uncertain terms that this was tolerated by women that really had no other choice , and they were the victims of the male dominated society . Why do they not seem to be asking the same questions of women's role in muslim society ? i'm not sure this is what is happening in the muslim world now , but there are certainly some parallels to consider because I really still do not believe that people would choose to dress like this en-masse , but I'm still ready to listen to genuine reasons as to why they would Women wear burkas are a tiny percentage - those who are forced are even a tinier minimal number. Not saying it's right, but we still live in a male macho world where some men, of all colours and creed, think they can control their women - Muslim and non-Muslims. From what I can gather and observe around me, the handful of women who wear these garments - which I think it's fucking hideous - do it all by themselves because they want to. I got 2 sisters. One wears a normal head scarf, and the other wears nothing and is just your average teenage girl. In fact, I think she should actually cover up more to be honest.
Houdini Logic Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 I'll try and restate that people wearing what they want is not the problem . It's whether they are coerced , indoctrinated or somehow forced by the society in which they live to wear such garb . No-one seems to have any trouble grasping the netle that women in past western male dominated societies have conformed to whatever that society imposes on it . For instance , does anyone really believe that women is certain social circles in england enjoyed winching themselves into whalebone corsets , ? Do they really believe that these women would have answered truthfully at the time that they didn't ? Would they have dared not to conform ? Only slowly in the west did women break away from this male dominated enslavement of the mind. Ask any feminist and she will no doubt tell you in no uncertain terms that this was tolerated by women that really had no other choice , and they were the victims of the male dominated society . Why do they not seem to be asking the same questions of women's role in muslim society ? i'm not sure this is what is happening in the muslim world now , but there are certainly some parallels to consider because I really still do not believe that people would choose to dress like this en-masse , but I'm still ready to listen to genuine reasons as to why they would I watched a documentary the other night - Michael Palin was travelling through villages in the Sahara and after a small amount of time he had to buy and wear the local headdress. I can't remember what it was called but it only left a tiny gap for his eyes and was required to keep the sand out of his face. You need to realise that Muslim dress is a reflection of different countries, climates and practicalities around the world - it is part of their culture and just because a they live in Britain doesn't mean that they want to change that. When I went to Qatar last year I chose not to wear a dishdasha, but instead to don a lovely pair of jeans and a polo shirt. Some people in that country may have thought that I was coerced , indoctrinated or somehow forced by the western society in which I live to wear such garb - but that would just be people's opinions - and that's exactly how it should stay.
Zingari Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 Women wear burkas are a tiny percentage - those who are forced are even a tinier minimal number. Not saying it's right, but we still live in a male macho world where some men, of all colours and creed, think they can control their women - Muslim and non-Muslims. From what I can gather and observe around me, the handful of women who wear these garments - which I think it's fucking hideous - do it all by themselves because they want to. I got 2 sisters. One wears a normal head scarf, and the other wears nothing and is just your average teenage girl. In fact, I think she should actually cover up more to be honest. thanks for an honest reply how do we liberate this unfortunate enslaved minority ? how do we know how many are forced coerced indoctrinated ? who has done the counting ?
Zingari Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 I watched a documentary the other night - Michael Palin was travelling through villages in the Sahara and after a small amount of time he had to buy and wear the local headdress. I can't remember what it was called but it only left a tiny gap for his eyes and was required to keep the sand out of his face. You need to realise that Muslim dress is a reflection of different countries, climates and practicalities around the world - it is part of their culture and just because a they live in Britain doesn't mean that they want to change that. When I went to Qatar last year I chose not to wear a dishdasha, but instead to don a lovely pair of jeans and a polo shirt. Some people in that country may have thought that I was coerced , indoctrinated or somehow forced by the western society in which I live to wear such garb - but that would just be people's opinions - and that's exactly how it should stay. why does it only seem to be women who are still dressing for the practicalities of a country they no longer inhabit ? again thanks for indulging me
Daggers Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 In fact, I think she should actually cover up more to be honest. .............is she on Facebook?
lou Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 What Singh said.One woman I worked with in a Secondary used to wear a mini and go commando every day. She was suspended for refusing to wrap up a bit better, it all ended in court with unions and the like. She lost. She was tasty mind you, no wonder Home Ec was popular with the lads of Billericay. at the end of year 9 my Son took a sudden interest in choosing Music as an option... we thought this odd as hed never shown the slightest inclination towards the subject before? Upon attending his parents evening at the end of that term it was soon apparent why most of his year were fighting to do music. I spent the whole 5 minute "chat" with his 20 odd year old Blonde, attractive Music teacher, desperately trying to extract my Son and Husbands faces from 2 inches away from her sizeable cleavage very clearly on display in a very low cut top.
Daggers Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 at the end of year 9 my Son took a sudden interest in choosing Music as an option... we thought this odd as hed never shown the slightest inclination towards the subject before?Upon attending his parents evening at the end of that term it was soon apparent why most of his year were fighting to do music. I spent the whole 5 minute "chat" with his 20 odd year old Blonde, attractive Music teacher, desperately trying to extract my Son and Husbands faces from 2 inches away from her sizeable cleavage very clearly on display in a very low cut top. It's why some of us just fail as teachers and are being replaced with freebie computers. We just can't compete!
lou Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 It's why some of us just fail as teachers and are being replaced with freebie computers.We just can't compete! You could try one of these?
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