Guest Bilo Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 Yeah, it's alien to me too, but while I despise religion people have the right to have faith in and practice what they want unless it's inflicting on someone else's rights. And I certainly don't see how opting to wear a veil does such. I'm sure there are plenty of homosexual or pro-choice people in Christian states of the world that find the supposedly more "liberal" faith to be a far more oppresive burden on them than an Islamic woman may feel about being inclined to wear a bit of black cloth. Spot on. If someone is misguided enough to dress up as the Phantom Flan Flinger when their religion doesn't even call for it, then that's their right in a democratic society. There are far greater things to worry about in religion than medieval dress. The ironic thing is that the same people who call for the burka to be banned are often the same people who plunge themselves into an apoplexy when they hear about a crucifix being banned. Both are unnecessary to the practice of a faith so what is the primary difference? So far as I'm aware, the whole thing about waving burka wearing women through airport security is something of a myth these days anyway, these troubled times mean that security in Heathrow is tighter than a duck's shitter anyway so they will be checked at some point.
BoneDog Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 I'm not saying it's people wearing veil's that are the problem, I was saying I had to laugh at security policy, However, you have to question was it because they didn't want to offend the person/people wearing veil's? And this is alot of people's problems and worries is that they will offend people of certain religions. I didn't think you were saying oat bad mate. Not sure why they would let people through without showing their face but it should be a law that you can't get on a plane without doing so. If they do let people through without checking then it is bang out of order and it needs sorting out!
BoneDog Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 Perhaps you should read this book ;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rage-Against-Veil-...t/dp/1573926825 if you think that any feelings of distaste i have towards religious indoctrination are based just on the feelings of the tabloid reading press . What happened to that woman or what happens to some women in Iran is nothing to do with religion so I can't see why you would hate Islam for it. If women are forced to behave a certain way then that is the states fault, not the religions. The state would be enforcing itself on the population whether religion existed or not. Many people in Iran follow religion and many don't but if anyone is forced to do anything then it has nothing to do with Islam. It just means that the state is twisting religious text to suit it's own needs.
Samilktray Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 Why the fuck would you care about what someone else is wearing?
James. Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 Why the fuck would you care about what someone else is wearing? That's pretty much exactly what was going through my mind. That, and why the fuck is there another thread about what people are wearing.
BoneDog Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 To an extent you're preaching to the choir, as I said, I hate all organized religion and I think it's all a form of control and brainwashing. I hear this often from my friends but what I don't understand is who are the people who are behind this brainwashing and control? Who benefits and in what way do they benefit from brainwashing 4 out of 5 people in the world to believe in a higher power than human beings? Is it a secret society of people who have passed down their power over the generations? I understand that some regimes and cults etc. twist religion and use it as an aid to their dictating but without religion the world would still be in the same position it is today and we would still have power hungry bastards running most of it. The main woes of the world are not down to religion at all and I can't believe that some people still think so.
dandannieldanok Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 Nigel Farage is nearly as bad as Nick Griffin, he's just more pompous.
Webbo Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 By that logic, being paedophile is acceptable if you're just born like that, as long as you're not molesting kids to be bad or provoking people by doing so! If you're born like that what else can you do?If they're not molesting kids or looking at child porn or doing anyting else illegal and keeping themselves out of temptations way then you have to accept that these people have a right to exist. As for the burka I don't like it but I don't believe in banning things unnecessarily and if UKIP think of themselves as 'true' conservatives then neither should they.
davieG Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 I hear this often from my friends but what I don't understand is who are the people who are behind this brainwashing and control? Who benefits and in what way do they benefit from brainwashing 4 out of 5 people in the world to believe in a higher power than human beings? Is it a secret society of people who have passed down their power over the generations?I understand that some regimes and cults etc. twist religion and use it as an aid to their dictating but without religion the world would still be in the same position it is today and we would still have power hungry bastards running most of it. The main woes of the world are not down to religion at all and I can't believe that some people still think so. Maybe because they often live a life of 'luxury', not necessarily in a material sense that they wouldn't get any other way. They also get their ego's massaged and live a life of dominance and control over their fellow human beings - a bit like politicians really
BoneDog Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 PS: I actually see nothing wrong with anyone choosing to wear a burka - any more than I'd see anything wrong with them wearing a turban or a kilt.The major difference concerns the issue of concealment and that, of course, is an entirely different and serious consideration. But anything you want to conceal in a burkha can just as easily be concealed in a big Parka coat or many other things. Are we going to ban rucksacks?
davieG Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 But anything you want to conceal in a burkha can just as easily be concealed in a big Parka coat or many other things. Are we going to ban rucksacks? Haven't hoodies been banned in various places?
Guest Mee-9 Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 Who cares what people wear? Can see why people are fooked off about Burka's. Ever noticed on a bus, when an asian man/woman walks on the bus sporting a Burka, some people a little bit shifty? It's discriminative. Edited boya.
Ultra Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 Who cares what people wear? Can see why people are fooked off about Burka's. Ever noticed on a bus, when an asian man/woman walks on the bus sporting a Burka, everyone gets a little bit shifty? It's discriminative. Except they don't. Hardly anyone on the buses I travel on even bat an eyelid.
stez Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 Who cares what people wear? Can see why people are fooked off about Burka's. Ever noticed on a bus, when an asian man/woman walks on the bus sporting a Burka, everyone gets a little bit shifty? It's discriminative. that statement is discriminatory, because i don't.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 I travel into Leicester every few weeks via 5a arriva bus. Some lad walked on with a religious garment on his head once, and the lads behind me, mumbled "We're gunna get blown up" Alot of the UK are quite ignorant. Christians are allowed to wear crosses. So who cares?
stez Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 I travel into Leicester every few weeks via 5a arriva bus. Some lad walked on with a religious garment on his head once, and the lads behind me, mumbled "We're gunna get blown up" Alot of the UK are quite ignorant. Christians are allowed to wear crosses. So who cares? so some lads (and maybe you) = everybody in the whole world? for the record, i don't really care what anyone wears, least of all myself.
acooling08 Posted 16 January 2010 Author Posted 16 January 2010 I travel into Leicester every few weeks via 5a arriva bus. Some lad walked on with a religious garment on his head once, and the lads behind me, mumbled "We're gunna get blown up" Alot of the UK are quite ignorant. Christians are allowed to wear crosses. So who cares? Crosses don't completely cover you or conceal you like a Burka does though. In fact, remember that case with the women not being allowed to wear he cross necklace while other employees could wear Burjas?
Koke Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 The percentage of Muslim women wearing it is pretty minimal anyway, so why do people give a fuck?
coale39 Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 People should be able to wear what they want. If they want to look like idiots so be it. We fight in Iraq et al for 'Freedom' but dont allow it at home? Banning it is contradictory. This is a policy to try and get slightly less stupid BNP members over to their side.
Zingari Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 The percentage of Muslim women wearing it is pretty minimal anyway, so why do people give a fuck? None of us are free if one of us is chained (Solomon Burke ) one doesn't need to be (physically) chained to be enslaved
James. Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 None of us are free if one of us is chained (Solomon Burke )one doesn't need to be (physically) chained to be enslaved The vast majority of people who don't like the burka don't give a fuck about the rights of those that choose/are forced to wear it, they're just bigoted and naive (not saying you are obviously). In any case, for me the issue of FGM (Female Genital Mutilation) for example is far more relevant in a conversation about enslaving than wearing a veil ever will be. But there's no massive thread on that is there...
Leicfox Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 A women wears a skimpy outfit out on the piss barely covering her bits, she gets branded a slag. A women of Muslim religion covering up, gets called a terrorist. The Worlds Mad !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Muwhahahaha.
acooling08 Posted 16 January 2010 Author Posted 16 January 2010 A women wears a skimpy outfit out on the piss barely covering her bits, she gets branded a slag.A women of Muslim religion covering up, gets called a terrorist. The Worlds Mad !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Muwhahahaha. Haha interesting.
MPH Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 I think you are setting an intresting precedent if you want to ban JUST the burka... If you wan tthe burka banned then you have to then ban the Jewish Hat too, what about nuns? they have a head dress on? are they going to be banned too? France, claiming to be a proudly secular nation has actally gone down that path and banned all differing types of head gear from ALL religions... they havnt focused just on the Burka.
Matt Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 I think you are setting an intresting precedent if you want to ban JUST the burka...If you wan tthe burka banned then you have to then ban the Jewish Hat too, what about nuns? they have a head dress on? are they going to be banned too? France, claiming to be a proudly secular nation has actally gone down that path and banned all differing types of head gear from ALL religions... they havnt focused just on the Burka. But would you? My problem, well it's not really a problem, but my argument lets say is a full face covering, i.e - Full veil, I don't mind head scarfs covering, not a problem, but apparently what i've been told by a Muslim is a head scarf is suffice, no need for full veil's - and she herself doesn't like people wearing the full veil's. So a Jewish hat, does that cover their face? No. Does a nun cover their face? If you wanna be picky, The sides of the head, but no, you can see their face. I really don't know why I let myself get drawn into these threads but I always do somehow.
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