UKIP call for Burka ban.

[Daggers]

I think you are setting an intresting precedent if you want to ban JUST the burka...

If you wan tthe burka banned then you have to then ban the Jewish Hat too, what about nuns? they have a head dress on? are they going to be banned too?

France, claiming to be a proudly secular nation has actally gone down that path and banned all differing types of head gear from ALL religions... they havnt focused just on the Burka.

Nuns in Colombia have frequently been arrested after attempting to smuggle guns, money to be laundered and drugs.

Who'd have thought they'd have bad habits?

...I'll get me coat...

[Finnegan]

But would you?

My problem, well it's not really a problem, but my argument lets say is a full face covering, i.e - Full veil, I don't mind head scarfs covering, not a problem, but apparently what i've been told by a Muslim is a head scarf is suffice, no need for full veil's - and she herself doesn't like people wearing the full veil's.

So a Jewish hat, does that cover their face? No.

Does a nun cover their face? If you wanna be picky, The sides of the head, but no, you can see their face.

I really don't know why I let myself get drawn into these threads but I always do somehow.

Christians don't have to wear a cross, many still choose to - it's a display of faith.

But why the mass panic with face covering? It's not like we're hearing a never ending list of stories about people using burkas to commit crime. It's just silly paranoia and prejudice. Since the weather's been bad I've literally lost count of the amount of lads I've seen on foot and on bikes down Narborough Road with hats on, hoods up and scarves covering their face up to beneath their eyes.

Does that get "banned" as well?

[Matt]

Christians don't have to wear a cross, many still choose to - it's a display of faith.

But why the mass panic with face covering? It's not like we're hearing a never ending list of stories about people using burkas to commit crime. It's just silly paranoia and prejudice. Since the weather's been bad I've literally lost count of the amount of lads I've seen on foot and on bikes down Narborough Road with hats on, hoods up and scarves covering their face up to beneath their eyes.

Does that get "banned" as well?

As already mention in this thread, Hoodies have in certain places. I've just thought of another time when i've been turned away from somewhere or told to take garments off - A bowling alley once asked me at the door once to take a cap and my hoodie off once...Maybe I just look like i'm untrustworthy?

Granted Hoodies are worn by chavs and 'trouble makers' perhaps to commit crime but in general they are worn as a fashion garment.

Replying to this thread again, Why?!?!

[MPH]

But would you?

My problem, well it's not really a problem, but my argument lets say is a full face covering, i.e - Full veil, I don't mind head scarfs covering, not a problem, but apparently what i've been told by a Muslim is a head scarf is suffice, no need for full veil's - and she herself doesn't like people wearing the full veil's.

So a Jewish hat, does that cover their face? No.

Does a nun cover their face? If you wanna be picky, The sides of the head, but no, you can see their face.

I really don't know why I let myself get drawn into these threads but I always do somehow.

Yes. Otherwise its discrimination.

Whether its full face or not, people are exercising their right to choose how to display their faith. and just because we dont understand or dont agree with something doesn't really give us a right to dicate to others how they should live their lives does it?

People will mention about how some people are oppressed or forced to wear the burka... well that's the same for any religion and their visual symbols ( jewish caps, sikh turbans, Hindu spot/Sari) you cant tell me there are people who are not being pressured /forced to wear these.....

[Guest]

Here we go, another attempt at veiled racism....

[Guest Mee-9]

Some people find Burka's intimidating. Same as some people find youth's with Hoodies intimidating.

[AoWW]

Some people find Burka's intimidating. Same as some people find youth's with Hoodies intimidating.

I know which of the two I'm more likely to find intimidating. (And it certainly isn't those wearing burkas.)

[Finnegan]

As already mention in this thread, Hoodies have in certain places. I've just thought of another time when i've been turned away from somewhere or told to take garments off - A bowling alley once asked me at the door once to take a cap and my hoodie off once...Maybe I just look like i'm untrustworthy?

Granted Hoodies are worn by chavs and 'trouble makers' perhaps to commit crime but in general they are worn as a fashion garment.

Replying to this thread again, Why?!?!

Even without the hood there's a scarf around the face and a hat on, it's the same thing.

I'm one of the nerdiest, least intimidating members of this forum as anyone will tell you who's met me - but I used to regularly cross half of North London in the winter with a scarf covering most of my face and a hat on. Again, if a burka is nationally banned why should that be allowed?

[Ross-Kemp]

Would I be allowed to walk into a bank with a balaclarva on ? Course I wouldn't. Same rules

[l444ry]

To many people it is a symbol of cultural apartheid. The message it sends out is clear: I don't want to be part of British society even though I live here.

I reckon that's what annoys so many people and gives ammunition to the real racists of the BNP.

[Cat Burger]

No-one would seriously challenge someone's right to wear a turban or a bowler hat. Yes, both could be used for concealment but there's no obvious evidence that they are.

Harry Potter should have been more speculative.

[Fosse Boy]

Harry Potter should have been more speculative.

[davieG]

I'm often asked to remove my baseball cap on entering a pub - but then on match days I'm a potential football hooligan

[lou]

I'm often asked to remove my baseball cap on entering a pub - but then on match days I'm a potential football hooligan

I really have far more important things to worry about than what other women are wearing - I couldnt care less

[fox123]

All ugly women no matter what colour they are or faith they believe in should be made to wear a Burka.

[Guest]

All ugly women no matter what colour they are or faith they believe in should be made to wear a Burka.

I think burkas should be compulsory whenever I see women or girls wearing jeans or leggings that are at least two sizes too small, and tops that are too short.

[purpleronnie]

I think burkas should be compulsory whenever I see women or girls wearing jeans or leggings that are at least two sizes too small, and tops that are too short.

spoilsport.

[lou]

All ugly women no matter what colour they are or faith they believe in should be made to wear a Burka.

Can the same rule be applied to ugly blokes?

[Guest]

Can the same rule be applied to ugly blokes?

Yes.

[BoneDog]

Would I be allowed to walk into a bank with a balaclarva on ? Course I wouldn't. Same rules

Yeah but how many bank robberies have been committed by women in Burkhas?

To many people it is a symbol of cultural apartheid. The message it sends out is clear: I don't want to be part of British society even though I live here.

I reckon that's what annoys so many people and gives ammunition to the real racists of the BNP.

What are they supposed to do then, get their hot-pants on and go up town on Saturday nights? Will they be accepted then?

I don't think wearing it sends out the message 'I don't want to be part of British society', I think it just says 'I'm a Muslim' and nothing else. But people will always judge them and continue to accuse them of all sorts of untruths.

[BoneDog]

All ugly women no matter what colour they are or faith they believe in should be made to wear a Burka.

Exactly, I held a door open for a lady the other day and as she squeezed past me I noticed she had a massive tash! Put me off my next pint

[lou]

Exactly, I held a door open for a lady the other day and as she squeezed past me I noticed she had a massive tash! Put me off my next pint

Bet she looked at you and got immediately moist?

[BoneDog]

Bet she looked at you and got immediately moist?

Obviously!

I noticed as she squeezed past that she took a deep intake of breath through her nose which was next to my cheek and quietly mumbled "Mmmmmmmmmmmm, oh yeaaaahhhhhhh". Then as she walked off I saw her fanning her face and then the muff area

[lou]

Obviously!

I noticed as she squeezed past that she took a deep intake of breath through her nose which was next to my cheek and quietly mumbled "Mmmmmmmmmmmm, oh yeaaaahhhhhhh". Then as she walked off I saw her fanning her face and then the muff area

[l444ry]

I don't think wearing it sends out the message 'I don't want to be part of British society', I think it just says 'I'm a Muslim' and nothing else. But people will always judge them and continue to accuse them of all sorts of untruths.

Don't you find it odd to see Muslim men wearing fashionable and season-appropriate clothing while their wives trail behind in a black tent. If some adult women choose to be oppressed in this way, that’s their business, not mine. But it is curious that primarily male Islamists - though of course often fronted by fundamentalist women - have made it a “human rights issue” to “defend” this “right”. Only a fool would believe that this is out of genuine concern for women’s rights rather than a means of providing an acceptable cover for perpetuating patriarchal domination.