The DJ Campbell Moan-In

[Houdini Logic]

Yet another example of a nasty discourteous post.

You are claiming this is a nasty discourteous post -

'There are many things on here people talk about that 'will/can never happen.

It's a question to canvas opinion, lighten up '

The only possible thing you could be slightly offended by was me telling you to 'lighten up' but seeing as you had just posted -

'What is the point of having a poll when I thought it had been established that DJ cannot be recalled with immediate effect?'

I was making a point that not every post/poll on here has to do be 100% something that is going to happen, there isn't actually a real tea party happening in the general chat and no matter how much we discuss it, the BNP are not going to go away!

I'm not going to prove your point for you, I'll just say that if you think me saying 'lighten up' is nasty and discourteous then you need to get some real world experience.

[lcfc_jme]

DJ Campbell is a chump. He hasn't enjoyed his stay here, does not want to play for us and hasn't really shown an awful lot of anything in any time he has been given to suggest we'd benefit from having him around the place. The sooner he's off the wage bill the better.

[Joe.]

I understand the opinion that he's generally just not a very good player, it's never happened for him here and that it never will. I believe that too.

I know everything that happens from here on in for him at Blackpool can only ever be discussed in hindsight given the lack of recall clause available in the loan, but I don't believe for a minute that people wouldn't be furious if he did score a vital goal for them somewhere along the line. If this were to be the case it really would have been a huge mistake sending him out on loan there. Not out on loan at all, just there.

Hopefully we won't have to get into all of this, but while there's a chance of it happening I'm still going to be sceptical about the whole thing for now. I just can't comprehend the idea that people are fine with our own player potentially helping another side into the play-offs at our expense.

[Edmund]

I understand the opinion that he's generally just not a very good player, it's never happened for him here and that it never will. I believe that too.

I know everything that happens from here on in for him at Blackpool can only ever be discussed in hindsight given the lack of recall clause available in the loan, but I don't believe for a minute that people wouldn't be furious if he did score a vital goal for them somewhere along the line. If this were to be the case it really would have been a huge mistake sending him out on loan there. Not out on loan at all, just there.

Hopefully we won't have to get into all of this, but while there's a chance of it happening I'm still going to be sceptical about the whole thing for now. I just can't comprehend the idea that people are fine with our own player potentially helping another side into the play-offs at our expense.

But, but, but, but DJ hasn't got a recall option in his loan clause.

Seriously though Joe you're spot on. Nicely put and exactly the point I've being saying since day dot.

Can you please confirm that this isn't me using a duplicate account?

Thanks

[unreachable]

You are claiming this is a nasty discourteous post -

'There are many things on here people talk about that 'will/can never happen.

It's a question to canvas opinion, lighten up '

The only possible thing you could be slightly offended by was me telling you to 'lighten up' but seeing as you had just posted -

'What is the point of having a poll when I thought it had been established that DJ cannot be recalled with immediate effect?'

I was making a point that not every post/poll on here has to do be 100% something that is going to happen, there isn't actually a real tea party happening in the general chat and no matter how much we discuss it, the BNP are not going to go away!

I'm not going to prove your point for you, I'll just say that if you think me saying 'lighten up' is nasty and discourteous then you need to get some real world experience.

Very well argued

[C-man]

It's the internet, and I try and not take things too seriously. If I did, a certain poster would have a restraining order on them by now.

Can I guess?

Just signed up and read through this thread.

Is this what it's usually like?

I am surprised that people are still saying that he should be recalled when it was made clear weeks ago that, that wasn't an option.

I do want to say however that the goals DJ has scored doesn't really have a bearing on our position as we have played badly and we have let the lead slip. It's too easy to point the finger and say that there are other factors that will prevent us getting to the play offs when the reality is if we perform well and take the points it doesnt really matter what goes on elsewhere.

DJ has been a mistake since day 1 and to be honest I dont really care where he is as long as it's not here. When he got back into the first team squad, he spouted a load of nonsense about there never being a problem, he never said he wanted to leave etc etc, now he's back at Blackpool he's saying the opposite again.

I hope he scores a couple more and at the end of the season goes there permanantly as i'm sick of him being a part of our club.

Welcome to the 'clique'

Yet another example of a nasty discourteous post.

Stop being such a fairy.

[Nick]

Can I guess?

Welcome to the 'clique'

Stop being such a fairy.

[Nick]

'Clique' Essential Criteria.

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i) Never talk about the 'clique'

ii) Police the forum like you own it.

iii) Remember you are Superior in every way to all non-clique members. Always talk down to people - (it doesn't matter how exasperated you are because people can't understand or absorb your points, or can't read back in the thread or simply write the same thing over and over despite the fact that you have addressed the issue.)

iv) Unconditionally defend all clique members even if you disagree with their point of view. If you don't understand what is happening, use big words to confuse the real fans/******.

v) Drink more alcohol than you can afford and take your turn pretending to be in love with Lou for clique safety.

vii) Make the forum a miserable place at all times - cause division and be relentless in your pursuit of behaving like a self righteous donkey - if you complain about violence be prepared to be called a urine soaked, happy clapping, Telegraph reading, old hasbeen.

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ii) Attend some matches without behaving like a massive tool. (This does not including standing or singing - just not behaving in a way that ruins other LCFC fans afternoons)

iii) Be prepared to make fun and be made fun of. (But understand the pecking order)

iv) Reading and Writing - Janet and John up to book 5a - anybody below this standard WILL be excluded and ridiculed.

v) All applicants will be made subject to a academic and physical initiation and should bring money and a tray.

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viii) Experience of disarming fans of cats.

Please apply in writing via PM to myself, 'Nick' Head of Superiority.

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[Daggers]

With such scant regard for confidentiality - you are never being invited into the secret inner circle.

[Fosse Boy]

DJ Campbell is a chump. He hasn't enjoyed his stay here, does not want to play for us and hasn't really shown an awful lot of anything in any time he has been given to suggest we'd benefit from having him around the place. The sooner he's off the wage bill the better.

Yeppers.

[FoxyPV]

With such scant regard for confidentiality - you are never being invited into the secret inner circle.

You've clearly never heard of the secret secret inner trapezium with a response like that

[Scow]

I'd prefer two players on loan that can make a difference in Spearing and Vaughan, rather than retain a player who doesn't want to play for us.

Campbell is just one player that's been part of a free-scoring Blackpool side this season.

If we don't make the play-offs, it won't be down to Campbell - it would be because we've not been good enough over a 46 game period, irrespective of the form of a striker that's never done it for us, or even likely to in the future.

[Anish]

I understand the opinion that he's generally just not a very good player, it's never happened for him here and that it never will. I believe that too.

I know everything that happens from here on in for him at Blackpool can only ever be discussed in hindsight given the lack of recall clause available in the loan, but I don't believe for a minute that people wouldn't be furious if he did score a vital goal for them somewhere along the line. If this were to be the case it really would have been a huge mistake sending him out on loan there. Not out on loan at all, just there.

Hopefully we won't have to get into all of this, but while there's a chance of it happening I'm still going to be sceptical about the whole thing for now. I just can't comprehend the idea that people are fine with our own player potentially helping another side into the play-offs at our expense.

Exactly.

Thankfully you're a well liked and respected poster on here so won't get shot down in flames, whereas if I or Edmond had posted this we would've done. The point is simple, if we go into the last game in 6th, 2 points ahead of Blackpool, and we draw/lose while Blackpool win by one goal thanks to a Campbell winner, we would've have helped them into the playoffs at our own expense (with Blackpool's superior goal difference). Yes, this is all hypothetical, but then so is sweeping statements like "if Campbell doesn't play, then somebody else will and they will score Blackpool's goals". People will say it's our own fault for not picking up the points and relying on the failings of others. But so what - often teams rely on others to keep losing to help them stay up/gain promotion. Look at Hull last season - they stayed in the Premiership because everyone else kept losing. Why shouldn't we want our nearest rivals to drop points? Look at Bayern yesterday - they were going to lose and probably would've done if Rafael wasn't so stupid.

Everyone will agree that Campbell has been shocking here and should've been offloaded earlier. But that's not the point we're trying the make. We're complaining that he's been loaned to one of our rivals and he's helping them catch us - we're still paying at least half his wages and he could kick us in the teeth if he helps Blackpool overtake us. Now that's madness.

Lisa et al - you may not agree with our point of view, but we still have a valid point and just because more people agree with you it doesn't mean you're right and we're wrong.

And finally, we know there is no recall option. That doesn't mean we can't express our annoyance and bewilderment at this decision though.

[Daggers]

If we don't make the play-offs, it's won't be down to Campbell - it would be because we've not been good enough over a 46 game period, irrespective of the form of a striker that's never done it for us, or even likely to in the future.

[Nick]

Exactly.

Thankfully you're a well liked and respected poster on here so won't get shot down in flames, whereas if I or Edmond had posted this we would've done. The point is simple, if we go into the last game in 6th, 2 points ahead of Blackpool, and we draw/lose while Blackpool win by one goal thanks to a Campbell winner, we would've have helped them into the playoffs at our own expense (with Blackpool's superior goal difference). Yes, this is all hypothetical, but then so is sweeping statements like "if Campbell doesn't play, then somebody else will and they will score Blackpool's goals". People will say it's our own fault for not picking up the points and relying on the failings of others. But so what - often teams rely on others to keep losing to help them stay up/gain promotion. Look at Hull last season - they stayed in the Premiership because everyone else kept losing. Why shouldn't we want our nearest rivals to drop points? Look at Bayern yesterday - they were going to lose and probably would've done if Rafael wasn't so stupid.

Everyone will agree that Campbell has been shocking here and should've been offloaded earlier. But that's not the point we're trying the make. We're complaining that he's been loaned to one of our rivals and he's helping them catch us - we're still paying at least half his wages and he could kick us in the teeth if he helps Blackpool overtake us. Now that's madness.

Lisa et al - you may not agree with our point of view, but we still have a valid point and just because more people agree with you it doesn't mean you're right and we're wrong.

And finally, we know there is no recall option. That doesn't mean we can't express our annoyance and bewilderment at this decision though.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We were desperate to offload. There was no que. Blackpool were not promotion contenders at the time any more than any other Championship side that may have had 13k a week + to spend on a striker with a poor recent track record. It was a good bit of business. We can't re-call so all we could possibly do if what you describe happened, is blame the club for not being able to see in to the future? He's hardly responsible for Blackpool's fortune or success in any way. Sorry but it's a weak argument, just threatening to be bitter and furious if the unforeseeable occurs? Give me Vaughn and Spearing and I'll back Pearson and the football clubs decisions on this no matter what the outcome. They made the best decision with the information they had. This argument is not personal, it's not about a clique - it's just common sense.

[Anish]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We were desperate to offload. There was no que. Blackpool were not promotion contenders at the time any more than any other Championship side that may have had 13k a week + to spend on a striker with a poor recent track record. It was a good bit of business. We can't re-call so all we could possibly do if what you describe happened, is blame the club for not being able to see in to the future? He's hardly responsible for Blackpool's fortune or success in any way. Sorry but it's a weak argument, just threatening to be bitter and furious if the unforeseeable occurs? Give me Vaughn and Spearing and I'll back Pearson and the football clubs decisions on this no matter what the outcome. They made the best decision with the information they had. This argument is not personal, it's not about a clique - it's just common sense.

So the individuals who make up the team that keeps winning have no responsibility for their success? Even if they keep scoring for them? Campbell's got 5 goals for them since February - how is he not contributing to their success?

[Guest]

Lisa et al - you may not agree with our point of view, but we still have a valid point and just because more people agree with you it doesn't mean you're right and we're wrong.

I love the fact that I am being singled out as some kind of Pied Piper, with my hordes of followers doing my bidding and hanging on every word I say. I really wish the reality was like that.

[Bettsj2]

So the individuals who make up the team that keeps winning have no responsibility for their success? Even if they keep scoring for them? Campbell's got 5 goals for them since February - how is he not contributing to their success?

I think you're being selective in which point you argue against.

Yes DJ has scored 5 since Feb, but the reason that Blackpool are where they are is due to them winning their last 4 games. DJ didnt play in the first 2 he was on the bench. But that isnt really the point we should be looking at. DJ has been a failure since he came here. He cost too much and we have never seen a return for our money. We needed to get rid as he would have been a negative force on our team. How would you have felt if you were say Nicky Adams? Adams has always stated he was desperate to get into our first team and has always (according to reports) put 100% in in training and gives his all every time he gets a chance. Then there's DJ. Possibly the clubs highest earner, but threw his toys out of the pram when he couldn't dislodge Fryatt and Howards partnership last year. We sent him on loan where he slagged the club off. On his return, he claimed that he was misquoted and wanted to work to get back in the team. Now he's on loan again, he's spouting off again yet when he returned to the first team squad he was getting his chance. In every game he came on this season he missed at least 2 glorious chances. For some reason the guy just doesnt work here.

Now some people point the finger at Pearson saying that he can't get the best out of him, which in some ways may be true, but lets be fair, we're talking about DJ Campbell here not Christiano Ronaldo. Can any of us say with hand on heart that if DJ was our main striker we'd be doing any better? I think his record whilst playing for us answers that question.

It is difficult when a player leaves and does well, to not have the kind of reaction we are getting about DJ but lets take a few players as an example: -

Mark Bright - Awful for Leicester but a success everywhere else

Theo Zagorakis - No impact at Leicester yet captained Greece to a European Championship

Jacob Laursen - Slow as a toad for Leicester yet marshalled the Derby defence against the very best in the Premiership

Arnar Gunlauggson - World beater at Bolton but one of O'Neill's worst signings

These are just a few examples. These things happen in football. It's nobody's fault and no-one can predict it. And for those who say "I said this would happen", are probably the same people saying it was a mistake to sell Max Gradel who since has signed for Leeds has seen their lead at the top of League 1 disappear.

We are all armchair managers as supporters but I do think that the DJ thing has gotten a little over the top with some supporters. If we dont make the play-offs it wont be down to DJ alone.

[Babylon]

I love the fact that I am being singled out as some kind of Pied Piper, with my hordes of followers doing my bidding and hanging on every word I say. I really wish the reality was like that.

Just so you know I've done the ironing you asked me to do, I'll bring it round later with your dinner.

[marbelladave]

It is entirely understandable that people get upset when a player we 'own' is in a position to help our closest challenger knock us out of the playoffs. Hopefully it will not happen, but if it does, a lot of people, myself included will be pretty pissed off, it's normal.

Logically, and I am a logical person, I am well aware that the decision to loan DJ was a good one at the time, it got rid of a (allegedly) disruptive player and saved us some money. Though some disagreed, the general consensus was good riddance.

It is also reasonable to say that over a 46 game season you generally get what you deserve but in a division this tight, missing out by a fraction would be particularly galling.

Looking for reasons and perhaps for someone to blame I offer the following suggestions as alternatives to DJ Campbell.

The tendency of our team to sit back and try and hold what we have caused us to drop points in games we really should have won.

Pearson taking too long to break up the Howard / Fryatt partnership as we started to lose our cutting edge mid season.

The failure of MM to provide sufficient funds for us to get in decent cover at full back.

Or if you prefer to blame individuals.

Howard missing a series of 'sitters' at various times this season.

Weales backpass cockup.

The assistant referee at Cardiff.

Etc, etc....

[MC Prussian]

So the individuals who make up the team that keeps winning have no responsibility for their success? Even if they keep scoring for them? Campbell's got 5 goals for them since February - how is he not contributing to their success?

Well, you can look at it from a different angle (and I'd agree with Nick for most part here). Yes, DJ Campbell has scored a few goals for Blackpool, but the point is: They've hardly been strikes that were that influential on the Tangerine's recent rise from mid-table mediocrity to playoff contenders:

vs. Middlesbrough: Campbell's goal (a cheap tap-in) came way late into injury time in the second half, when Blackpool's win was already sealed. MOTM here for the Tangerines was goalkeeper Gilks, who saved a penalty.

vs. Reading: The Royals were still in a slump at the time, and MOTM for Blackpool was clearly Charlie Adam (who scored once and assisted on Campbell's goal).

He didn't play well against Barnsley, had no hand in their 1-0 home win against Ipswich or the two following losses against WBA or Sheffield United away.

He then did not even make the bench for the games against Plymouth away, as well as Crystal Palace and Swansea at home.

@ S****horpe: DJ's brace (and those were two easy goals) came late into the game, when Blackpool were already leading 2-1 and "cruising to victory" (according to an official match report).

vs. Doncaster: DJ scores the first (set up by a lovely cross by Craney), the Rovers could've equalized in the 2nd half. Dobie's goal essentially sealed the win for them. To me, this means, either Craney or Dobie as match-winners, not DJ.

All I'm trying to say here (and I guess I'm in accordance with what others have mentioned before) is that DJ has hardly been that great for Blackpool as the ones with the panic button on their forehead are trying to make out. He's essentially just added some icing onto the Tangerine cake and profited heavily from the skills of his teammates - special mention to Adam and Dobie.

It's not about the DJ, it's about how well Blackpool have been playing even before Campbell managed to score three times in two games recently. They're on a great run at the moment, yet he's just the on-loan sidekick, getting some of the treat himself.

So, would the moaners please shut up and stop making an elephant out of a fly.

[Daggers]

I love the fact that I am being singled out as some kind of Pied Piper, with my hordes of followers doing my bidding and hanging on every word I say. I really wish the reality was like that.

Can you let me know if the windows are clean enough yet so's I can start on the carpets?

[Sir Fynwy]

Can you let me know if the windows are clean enough yet so's I can start on the carpets?

You know full well we don't have carpets, get sanding those floors!

[lou]

I'd prefer two players on loan that can make a difference in Spearing and Vaughan, rather than retain a player who doesn't want to play for us.

Campbell is just one player that's been part of a free-scoring Blackpool side this season.

If we don't make the play-offs, it won't be down to Campbell - it would be because we've not been good enough over a 46 game period, irrespective of the form of a striker that's never done it for us, or even likely to in the future.

Dead right!

For the record I have my own mind and dont just follow the opinion of others I just happen to like the way Scow has put it!

You know full well we don't have carpets, get sanding those floors!

He only takes orders from Lisa!

[Darkzzz_]

Campbell is dead to me.