Guest Bilo Posted 25 August 2010 Posted 25 August 2010 I'm not particularly fond of it even though Jack Charlton's 90's Irish team consisted of born and bred Irishmen like Andy Townsend... Brings up questions of what makes you English etc Can of worms mate.
dandannieldanok Posted 25 August 2010 Posted 25 August 2010 As I've said in a previous thread, it wouldn't really sit easy with me if the England team had a Spaniard in it.......because that's what Arteta is, he's a Spaniard making a living over here quite simply. As others have already said, it's slightly different if someone has moved here at a very early age and considers themselves English.
Narborough_fox Posted 25 August 2010 Posted 25 August 2010 AmI right in thinking Kasper Schemiechael can play for England, I'd have him.
danielpholt Posted 26 August 2010 Posted 26 August 2010 Yeah that sounds about right to me, I'm guessing he spent the majority of his childhood years with his dad in England. Wasn't Bendtner eligible for England before deciding on Denmark or am I getting confused with someone else?
Cat Burger Posted 26 August 2010 Posted 26 August 2010 AmI right in thinking Kasper Schemiechael can play for England, I'd have him. He has said he would only ever play for Denmark
Edmund Posted 26 August 2010 Author Posted 26 August 2010 Why the **** would we want him for England? Joe Hart is twice the keeper.
Finnegan Posted 26 August 2010 Posted 26 August 2010 Why the **** would we want him for England? Joe Hart is twice the keeper. Now.
Salieri Posted 26 August 2010 Posted 26 August 2010 What would be the point of international football then? You might as well can it and have Premiership All-stars vs LFP All-stars etc. There is a big difference between growing up in a country from a young age (under 10 say), becoming a citizen and then representing your country as John Barnes did, and coming here as a professional footballer once you are an adult then deciding you can get some international football but switching allegiances. No thanks. Ryan Giggs shoulda played for England. Someone will bite...
BlueSi13 Posted 26 August 2010 Posted 26 August 2010 English Father. Arteta has NOTHING to do with England other than the fact that he works here...thats all...i work in Germany, but would i ever expect or want to play for Germany? No i wouldn't as im just a foreigner working there, and if i had no choice but to play for them, would i feel proud? No i wouldn't. England is my country just as Spain is Arteta's. As soon as Everton no longer want him he'll be on the first plane back to Spain, he has no place in the England squad. Besides....is he really better than what we have in the starting 11? Not at all for me, same scenario with Almunia. Its hard enough for our lads to make it big in a Premier League team without the places in the England squad being filled with foreigners aswell.
AyewJoking Posted 26 August 2010 Posted 26 August 2010 Almunia and Arteta would make Englands squad but fúck other countries who are doing it. I'd rather see England suffer on the pitch than play bloody foreigners.
Finnegan Posted 27 August 2010 Posted 27 August 2010 Ryan Giggs shoulda played for England. Yeah, he was shit anyway. Almunia and Arteta would make Englands squad but fúck other countries who are doing it. I'd rather see England suffer on the pitch than play bloody foreigners. lol Oh dear. Anyway, the only reason I could find this sort of understandable is if Arteta really was furiously determined not to play for Spain for political reasons but still wanted to try his hand at international football before he retired. Not that I'm saying England should play fancy to his whims and pick him, just, yanno. Taking Xabi Alonso, Fernando Llorente, Joseba Etxeberria, Gaizka Mendieta and Asier del Horno as examples, though, as well as the strong Catalan contingent in the National team it strikes me as far more likely that Arteta's simply never been good enough.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 very nation seems to be doing this including Spain, Germany, Holland and France, the list is endless. Are they really doing it? Spain had Senna and Germany had Cacau but that's about it.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 That's a bit of a silly response. I've nothing against non white players or white players of foreign decent playing for England. I just think the players should have some sort of connection to England otherwise they are just mercenaries. It's also unfair to the countries that lose players to bigger countries. Surely you must appreciate that with France pinching half your team. If anything the African countries pinch players from France when you consider that they grew up in France and were developed by France.
Webbo Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 If anything the African countries pinch players from France when you consider that they grew up in France and were developed by France. I've been waiting over 2 years for that reply, thanks. PS What ever happened to jehst?
Tom17LCFC Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 Are they really doing it? Spain had Senna and Germany had Cacau but that's about it. Can think of Podolski and Klose off the top of my head, both born in Poland. Pretty sure there's a few more as well.
Corky Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 I've been waiting over 2 years for that reply, thanks. PS What ever happened to jehst? He was last online on October 26th 2011. Might be something Sven-related?
RonnieTodger Posted 9 October 2012 Posted 9 October 2012 Germany have loads. There's a picture of the amount somewhere. Cacau, Klose, Podolski, Ozil, Boateng, Khedira, Trochowski etc. Some are forgiveable, like Khedira as he was born in Germany but has foreign parents.
shen Posted 10 October 2012 Posted 10 October 2012 Can think of Podolski and Klose off the top of my head, both born in Poland. Pretty sure there's a few more as well. Yeah, the 'Aussiedler' rule is not uncontroversial, but to be fair, the area it covers is relatively small and it's been done to death. It's very much an exception rule. Germany have loads. There's a picture of the amount somewhere. Cacau, Klose, Podolski, Ozil, Boateng, Khedira, Trochowski etc. Some are forgiveable, like Khedira as he was born in Germany but has foreign parents. Not this again. Please explain the real reasons for holding such a strong opinion and maybe even a grudge towards 'foreigners'? Khedira, Boateng and Özil were all born in Germany. Three of the others came to Germany as kids through the 'Aussiedler' rule. The way you also type 'etc.' just reeks of ignorance to me as well. Cacau is the only one that had no connections to Germany prior to getting a German passport, but he did meet the pretty hefty nationalisation criteria they demand in Germany. All of them are 'forgivable', in fact, I think it's pretty insulting to find it 'unforgivable'. In today's multi-cultural, -national and -racial societies, it makes no sense to me to discern people on the basis of where they were born. If anything, I'd much rather have a 'foreigner' who's lived in the same country as me for 20 years represent the national side, than someone who was born there, but never lived there or experienced the culture.
RonnieTodger Posted 10 October 2012 Posted 10 October 2012 Yeah, the 'Aussiedler' rule is not uncontroversial, but to be fair, the area it covers is relatively small and it's been done to death. It's very much an exception rule. Not this again. Please explain the real reasons for holding such a strong opinion and maybe even a grudge towards 'foreigners'? Khedira, Boateng and Özil were all born in Germany. Three of the others came to Germany as kids through the 'Aussiedler' rule. The way you also type 'etc.' just reeks of ignorance to me as well. Cacau is the only one that had no connections to Germany prior to getting a German passport, but he did meet the pretty hefty nationalisation criteria they demand in Germany. All of them are 'forgivable', in fact, I think it's pretty insulting to find it 'unforgivable'. In today's multi-cultural, -national and -racial societies, it makes no sense to me to discern people on the basis of where they were born. If anything, I'd much rather have a 'foreigner' who's lived in the same country as me for 20 years represent the national side, than someone who was born there, but never lived there or experienced the culture. What makes you think I have a grudge. I don't have a problem with it. In fact, well done to Germany, they've got a fantastic squad of young talent. Just because I listed them as not completely German, I didn't say I had a "strong opinion", in fact I feel quite the opposite. As for the "etc.", it's not ignorant. Isn't Gomez Portugese? I'm sure there are more but I can't remember. Don't jump to conclusions. Maybe "forgiveable" was a bad choice of wording, but your outburst is completely unnecessary, calm down. Also, as a fond English Cricket fan, I've no problem with players representing our country with foreign backgrounds. Pansear, Patel and Bopara all have Asian backgrounds but were born here and do their best for England. Trott, KP and Prior are South African. I, myself am multi-national.
shen Posted 10 October 2012 Posted 10 October 2012 What makes you think I have a grudge. I don't have a problem with it. In fact, well done to Germany, they've got a fantastic squad of young talent. Just because I listed them as not completely German, I didn't say I had a "strong opinion", in fact I feel quite the opposite. As for the "etc.", it's not ignorant. Isn't Gomez Portugese? I'm sure there are more but I can't remember. Don't jump to conclusions. Maybe "forgiveable" was a bad choice of wording, but your outburst is completely unnecessary, calm down. Also, as a fond English Cricket fan, I've no problem with players representing our country with foreign backgrounds. Pansear, Patel and Bopara all have Asian backgrounds but were born here and do their best for England. Trott, KP and Prior are South African. I, myself am multi-national. It was the wording and the lack of research on your part that made me think that. It reminded me of a discussion a few months ago where the exact same lazy examples were brought up. And you probably did research it a little bit as Trochowski and Cacau aren't exactly players that have stuck out for the German side recently. The picture you refer to is infuriatingly inaccurate too. But if we basically agree on the issue then I don't have anything to add. Oh and it wasn't particularly aimed at you, I just thought you were in the camp that opposes nationalisation (and the like) so wanted to hear what the issue really is. ps: Gomez is born German with a Spanish father and German mother, hence his Spanish surname
RonnieTodger Posted 10 October 2012 Posted 10 October 2012 It was the wording and the lack of research on your part that made me think that. It reminded me of a discussion a few months ago where the exact same lazy examples were brought up. And you probably did research it a little bit as Trochowski and Cacau aren't exactly players that have stuck out for the German side recently. The picture you refer to is infuriatingly inaccurate too. But if we basically agree on the issue then I don't have anything to add. Oh and it wasn't particularly aimed at you, I just thought you were in the camp that opposes nationalisation (and the like) so wanted to hear what the issue really is. ps: Gomez is born German with a Spanish father and German mother, hence his Spanish surname Fair enough. I didn't do any research, it was just off the top of my head to be honest. Germany are one of my favourite national sides so I certainly don't have anything against the way they've gone about selecting the national team. It's the 21st century, and like I said the ECB doesn't only select players with 100% English ancestry, so it would be extremely hypocritical of me to approve of English Cricket doing it but not foreign football nations. My point was just that the German national side is far from completely German, as someone raised a point about them. I have nothing against that.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 11 October 2012 Posted 11 October 2012 Germany have loads. There's a picture of the amount somewhere. Cacau, Klose, Podolski, Ozil, Boateng, Khedira, Trochowski etc. Some are forgiveable, like Khedira as he was born in Germany but has foreign parents. All of them are German except for Cacau. You wouldn't say that Jermain Defoe, Ashley Young, Darren Bent, Danny Welbeck, Daniel Sturridge, Raheem Sterling etc aren't English just because they are black.
RonnieTodger Posted 11 October 2012 Posted 11 October 2012 All of them are German except for Cacau. You wouldn't say that Jermain Defoe, Ashley Young, Darren Bent, Danny Welbeck, Daniel Sturridge, Raheem Sterling etc aren't English just because they are black. If you'd cared to read my response to shen, you'd know that's not what I meant...
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