Wellens

[caz05]

And hes one ignorant bastward aswell,it was my daughters birthday saturday and she wanted her photos done with the players.

I stood outside the back waiting for them to come out,and every one of them were happy to oblige and wished her happy birthday.

He came out and she went over to him,and asked him and he completely blanked her,he walked past me and i asked him and he carried on walking.

ONE ARROGANT ****.

[Tommeh]

Threads like this sum up how shite this forum has become. Full of douchebags.

Also "thinks he's better than he is"....know him personally do you? You see him out one night and he said "yeah I'll be playing champions league in 2 seasons?" Give me a break.

[martyn]

Threads like this sum up how shite this forum has become. Full of douchebags.

Also "thinks he's better than he is"....know him personally do you? You see him out one night and he said "yeah I'll be playing champions league in 2 seasons?" Give me a break.

Is your horse high enough?

No, I don't know him personally. I base that on watching him play, and from conversations with couple of my schoolmates who know Wellens well from his days at Blackpool and Oldham. Whether you think that's a valid basis for forming an opinion or not, I don't care. I do think Wellens is a talented player, and most people here have come out in support of him.

[Huuuuuume]

He is UTTER shite.

Fact.

Why??

[CosbehFox]

He needs bringing down a peg or 2 and realise he isnt Paul Scholes!

I dunno. He's made himself a decent career out of pretending to be Paul Scholes.

Again, just another average Championship player.

Yeh and that's exactly what we are an average Championship team. Along with the other 85% in the division. Good players in this division are like blessings.

ONE ARROGANT ****.

Tbf, he's made a career of it. Got no-end of players booked, sent off etc.

[caz05]

I dunno. He's made himself a decent career out of pretending to be Paul Scholes.

Yeh and that's exactly what we are an average Championship team. Along with the other 85% in the division. Good players in this division are like blessings.

Tbf, he's made a career of it. Got no-end of players booked, sent off etc.

To be honest i dont really have a problem how he plays,ok i do get a bit peed off when he plays badly but people still think hes the best since sliced bread.

But surely a player could spend 2 seconds of his life to have a piccy done with a little girl on her birthday, the others had no problem with it.

Some players seem to forget its the fans who pay to go to the games that pay thier wages.

There was no need for ignorance

[CosbehFox]

To be honest i dont really have a problem how he plays,ok i do get a bit peed off when he plays badly but people still think hes the best since sliced bread.

But surely a player could spend 2 seconds of his life to have a piccy done with a little girl on her birthday, the others had no problem with it.

Some players seem to forget its the fans who pay to go to the games that pay thier wages.

There was no need for ignorance

Interestingly I know a lad whose currently got his facebook picture with him as he met on a night out.

I understand your POV however but I think that's the bloke's personality.

[Mack]

There are a lot of players getting lost and feeling frustrated with the current tactics, I dont think it will be long before the dressing room is completely lost by Sousa.

[bettso]

Wellens is a decent mid table championship midfielder.

He's not Premiership class and probably wouldnt get into too many of the top 10's midfields in the Championship.

Since he's came here he's done as best as he can and we've certainly seen all we're likely to see from him. Occasionaly he puts in a decent tackle and occasionaly he plays a superb through pass. More often than not though, his passes are loose, gets caught in possesion, never shoots when given the opportunity and is non existent in an aerial battle.

Now at the minute, we've not seen enough of Moreno to know if he'd be any better in the midfield and Abe is much the same. The cup game on Tuesday is the ideal time to give both of these a go in a midfield 3 with King. Oakley and Wellens are trying as hard as they can but they just are not of the quality needed to turn our current performances into wins.

[MPH]

I think wellens is most at danger of being replaced by Abe. King seems to be settlingin nicely to the advanced role and after his comments about Oakley I see him a dead cert too - Paulo must literally be drooling at the meaty tackles he has been putting in recently- that leaves Wellens whohas not yet settled into the new formation properly......

[Walkers Wench]

And hes one ignorant bastward aswell,it was my daughters birthday saturday and she wanted her photos done with the players.

I stood outside the back waiting for them to come out,and every one of them were happy to oblige and wished her happy birthday.

He came out and she went over to him,and asked him and he completely blanked her,he walked past me and i asked him and he carried on walking.

ONE ARROGANT ****.

you may have caught him on a bad day, he happily posed with my lad last week while his wife and kids patiently waited, he even held his young son in some of the pics.

[smudgerfox]

I agree with those who get tired that every defeat is accompanied by the creation of a new scapegoat - quite often the hero of the previous game. To say Wellens is "utter shite" is just the easiest form of abuse imaginable and it's that level of discussion which brings online messageboards into disrepute.

Wellens is an okay Championship midfielder. There are many better and there are many many more who are worse. He is limited and the chances are he wouldn't be playing for us if he wasn't. His limitations are - his shooting is woeful. Those who say he should shoot more, obviously haven't been watching him reguarly because technically his shooting is all wrong - he almost always hits the ball too high. He does have a tendency to play the champagne ball when something more straightforward would do. On Saturday in the first half the ball came to him on the right hand side of the box - there was a queue of blue shirts on the six yard box line waiting for a pass to tap in but Wellens blazed it three foot over the bar. It was a terrible decision to shoot and a terrible execution of the shot (which made the decision doubly terrible). But it's typical of him - because he does often look as though what he decides to do is more calculated to put a highlight on his career DVD than to wring the very best out of every situation for the good of LCFC. His feints, flicks and dummies fall into the same category. Many of his passes are needlessly over-ambitious which means a high percentage of them fail. My guess is that he isn't the brightest because he shows so little strategic nouse.

But he does tackle bravely, if occasionally a little wrecklessly, he does set up goals (both v Cardiff) and he does work hard. And I noticed on saturday how often he turns defence tippy-tappy into attack by receiving the ball off the back four with his back to goal and turning his man so we can at last move forward with purpose.

To say he is shite is just well - shite.

[caz05]

you may have caught him on a bad day, he happily posed with my lad last week while his wife and kids patiently waited, he even held his young son in some of the pics.

We all have bad days mate

No need for ignorance though if hes got his own children and they are footy fans,he should have known what it meant to her to have a piccy done

[Koke]

Wellens treatment kind of reminds me of how Michael Carrick is treated by the footballing community. Carrick often gets slated for misplaced passes and giving the ball away, but many fail to realise that between him and Darren Fletcher, it is him who has a better vision, better range of passing and a better all-round footballer. Likewise with Wellens. He might give the ball away more than Oakley or King, but he usually more than the others look for a forward pass rather than a safe side-way pass. If he makes 10 forward passes and through balls, some are bound to be over-hit and misplaced - law of averages. And he also get stuck in when needed with his tackling.

Wellens is an OK Championship player. He's a useful player who can do a bit of everything. Not brilliant at anything, but decent at everything.

[Corky]

Wellens is always going to be a player who divides opinions- he more often than not tries something different. When it comes off- brilliant, superb vision etc, yet when it doesn't it's over-ambitious, flashy.

I do think he offers something in the team, he gets stuck in and wins free-kicks, but also gets caught in possession and overplays at times.

[Fox92]

Likewise with Wellens. He might give the ball away more than Oakley or King, but he usually more than the others look for a forward pass rather than a safe side-way pass. If he makes 10 forward passes and through balls, some are bound to be over-hit and misplaced - law of averages. And he also get stuck in when needed with his tackling.

Spot on.

[bigneville]

Richie Wellens has started 6 league games this season out of 8.

In the two games he hasn't played we have shipped 9 goals, with an average 4.5 a game.

Whilst when he has started we have conceded 14 goals in 6 games. An average of 2.33 a game.

From that it's clear he is missed from the midfield when he doesn't play. He add's some much needed steel in the midfield, and the ability to keep hold of the ball to allow the defence to re-organise.

He was missed against Portsmouth, more than you can believe.

This is just some more evidence that people don't understand what Richie Wellens does, he does sooooo much more than just his fantastic vision.

[davieG]

Richie Wellens has started 6 league games this season out of 8.

In the two games he hasn't played we have shipped 9 goals, with an average 4.5 a game.

Whilst when he has started we have conceded 14 goals in 6 games. An average of 2.33 a game.

From that it's clear he is missed from the midfield when he doesn't play. He add's some much needed steel in the midfield, and the ability to keep hold of the ball to allow the defence to re-organise.

He was missed against Portsmouth, more than you can believe.

This is just some more evidence that people don't understand what Richie Wellens does, he does sooooo much more than just his fantastic vision.

If you're going to use the 6 goals conceded against Portsmouth to bolster your statistics then you could argue that everyone who played in that game should be dropped because with them in the team we leak too many goals.

[bigneville]

If you're going to use the 6 goals conceded against Portsmouth to bolster your statistics then you could argue that everyone who played in that game should be dropped because with them in the team we leak too many goals.

You do have a point DavieG. I agree.

However, the point I was trying to make more is that Wellens is crucial to the team, in his ability to do a lot more of the defensive side of the central midfield role as well as being a creative ball-player.

Something a lot of people seem to forget.

[Leicfox]

If you're going to use the 6 goals conceded against Portsmouth to bolster your statistics then you could argue that everyone who played in that game should be dropped because with them in the team we leak too many goals.

Your onto a winner there Davie.

[davieG]

You do have a point DavieG. I agree.

However, the point I was trying to make more is that Wellens is crucial to the team, in his ability to do a lot more of the defensive side of the central midfield role as well as being a creative ball-player.

Something a lot of people seem to forget.

I don't personally believe that Wellens is the football saviour that some on here seem to view him but he does have some telling abilities andI do think he should be in before Oakley who has been a massive disappointment for us considering his previous career especially for Southampton. It also was quite frightening how he chose Abe over Oakley in reducing the midfield for Hobbs, granted Abe may not have been 100% fit but Oakley was never going to cover that space especially with King still pushing forward.

[Fox92]

However, the point I was trying to make more is that Wellens is crucial to the team, in his ability to do a lot more of the defensive side of the central midfield role as well as being a creative ball-player.

Something a lot of people seem to forget.

Yes agree with that.

I'm a big fan of Wellens, I do think he is our best player. He is by far the most important midfielder in the squad, and is missed when he doesn't play - something you pointed out with those stats.

[C-man]

Yes agree with that.

I'm a big fan of Wellens, I do think he is our best player. He is by far the most important midfielder in the squad, and is missed when he doesn't play - something you pointed out with those stats.

Well he's not really. Dyer and King are far more 'important.'

As for those stats, well do they make sense? It might be early and I might be talking shit but they don't look right to me. IF we are conceding 2.33 goals a game with Wellens in the side then he's still not doing his job properly and we'll concede over 100 goals.

Wellens is a serial grafter with an eye for a pass and without the ability to execute more often than not. Nothing more, nothing less.

[poopbutt]

i'd rather have him playing over oakley. still average though.

[Wymsey]

Oakley has lost the plot. At least Wellens has at least some desire to play despite allegedly putting a transfer request in.