Students

[Guest lcfc80]

So they all just did it for the fun of it?

most of them won't even know why they are there deep down. the interviews i've seen on the news all day today confirm this

[Benji]

You only need to take a quick look across at america to see how spoilt and dependent we are as a country.

Less than £30,000 for a degree from a UK institution is a steal of what they have to fork up in america. That amount might just about pay for the first year. Not only that, the majority of our higher profile jobs require a lot less time for completion than other countries.

People need to grow up and look how bloody privileged we are. This wont stop people going to university for finances alone. You take out a loan, and pay when you can. The government aren't ever going to knock on the door for it. I guess after so many years of labour its to be expected that everyone wants everything for nothing.

[ajthefox]

Get a job at the end of it and pay the loan back then.

Nothing in life is free or handed on a plate. Earn it.

If you charge me £9000 per year, then I need a £9000 loan. If you charge me £3000 I need a £3000 loan so what difference does it make? I'm getting a loan that's equivalent to what I'm paying anyway so what difference does increasing that amount make?

And pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee don't tell me nothing in life is free bla bla blah. I study one of the most time consuming courses there is and I have a part time job cleaning when I'm at home, I know full well anything worthhaving is earnt.

[Lillehamring]

They should arrest the students responsible for this damage. The should be charged and then thrown off their courses.

Another shit load of money will have to be spent on the clean up too.

to be honest, having watched a lot of the coverage - it looked like there were a few people there that hadn't even stayed in school for gsce's - there was definitely an anarchist element present, their flags were being waved from the top of the building.

one guy with no shirt and his head covered, giving the finger to the police, the crowd and the tv did not look like your average biology student.

the NUS worked with the police to set up the protest and were clear to point out that it had been infiltrated by 'rogue protesters'.

whatever people may think about students, perhaps an understanding of the situation might be wise before jumping to conclusions.

....as far as the actual protest/cause is concerned, it's a shame they can't utilise the power of student protest on something a bit more significant, such as human rights issues. i totally agree that moaning about very minimal changes to the fees system is a bit selfish and unimportant in the grander scale of things. compared to many countries,a university education is incredibly cheap in the uk.

[ajthefox]

most of them won't even know why they are there deep down. the interviews i've seen on the news all day today confirm this

What a stupid thing to say. By your logic, the callers of Radio Leicester are representative of all city fans.

[Tilley]

And pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee don't tell me nothing in life is free bla bla blah. I study one of the most time consuming courses there is and I have a part time job cleaning when I'm at home, I know full well anything worthhaving is earnt.

I study one of the most time consuming courses there is and I have a full time job. Your point is?

I have to pay for that course, it isn't cheap but if I want to progress with my career, I need that qualification so I pay for it. I will reap the rewards later on down the line.

[MC Prussian]

Well, whereas in Europe, governments subsidize students with the costs (a large chunk of students never makes the money back to compensate for the student loan), the US are pretty much elitist.

If you've got the dough, you're game.

Doesn't prevent a lot of students to go idle upon graduation and even cause more costs to the state.

(I do know there's many, many honest and decent students who work hard besides going to courses - but simply too many abusing the uni system still)

[lcfc_jme]

Compared to riots in other countries, that's a fvcking picnic. Not excusing people kicking windows through and injuring people, though.

What I will say is that if I were told before I went to uni that I'd be being charged £7,000+ in tuition fees alone, I probably wouldn't have bothered. I'm already guaranteed to start my working life with over £21,000 worth of debt (provided I don't try and secure funding for the LPC) so any more than that would probably have seen me at a point where I'd never be able to fully pay it off.

[Benji]

hmmmm

ajthefox studies one of the most time-consuming courses

but tilley studies one of the most time-consuming courses

but which one do is more time-consuming?

[Guest lcfc80]

What a stupid thing to say. By your logic, the callers of Radio Leicester are representative of all city fans.

do you know the difference between 'all' and 'most'?

see the student above, saying he'd need a 9 grand loan to pay for it. another one who isnt quite as clued up as they think. you dont need a loan to pay for the fee's as you wont pay up front, you just pay a small monthly fee once you earn, as much as £30 per month - hardly earth shattering is it. If you want more figures i suggest you go and watch 'all' of todays PMQ's

[ajthefox]

I was just making it clear that I'm not someone who wants everything for nothing and that I'm not arguing because I can't be arsed with the effort. I earn money and work hard, just like you by the sounds of it, no point as such.

Is your course price being tripled?

[Jon the Hat]

If you charge me £9000 per year, then I need a £9000 loan. If you charge me £3000 I need a £3000 loan so what difference does it make? I'm getting a loan that's equivalent to what I'm paying anyway so what difference does increasing that amount make?

And pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee don't tell me nothing in life is free bla bla blah. I study one of the most time consuming courses there is and I have a part time job cleaning when I'm at home, I know full well anything worthhaving is earnt.

You eventually pay back the actual COST of your course rather than have the rest of us fund it for you in the hope that you eventually pay enough tax to cover it.

[Father Ted]

what i've never really understood is the 'they'll earn £x more over the course of their working life' argument. sure they may earn more than a dinner lady or a gardener, but surely with the aim of 50+% of 'young people' going to university, surely supply and demand means the currency of a degree will be worth less (or worthless )?

Very fair point.

But, as the demand for a university place has increased massively, it's not as if the supply of places has increased with it, meaning that there are large numbers of excess demand (people who don't get in) and so tuition fees are being raised to clear away the excess demand. Which just shows as DMU filled every single place last year for the first time I believe. Surely, the degree is worthless anyway, I know many people who have got degrees and hardly any of them actually use their degree now in their job!

That's my view on it anyway, uni prices were always going to go up, unless more places were laid on, which would mean finding more lecturers, etc.

[Jon the Hat]

Compared to riots in other countries, that's a fvcking picnic. Not excusing people kicking windows through and injuring people, though.

What I will say is that if I were told before I went to uni that I'd be being charged £7,000+ in tuition fees alone, I probably wouldn't have bothered. I'm already guaranteed to start my working life with over £21,000 worth of debt (provided I don't try and secure funding for the LPC) so any more than that would probably have seen me at a point where I'd never be able to fully pay it off.

Why would you worry about paying it off though? Not your risk is it. That is the governments concern. This is the point I think everyone is missing. There is no risk. No bailiffs, no one taking your stuff, or putting black marks against your name. You earn, you pay, just like tax, Easy.

[Matt]

Get on with it. fooking students.

Put your money where your mouths are and prove your there to study something your going to use and do a career in after rather than being wasters like a majority do to postpone working and just do it for something to do only to go back to uni to do another a course, feel sorry for the students that go for a proper reason and know what they want to do but the amount of people I know who are at uni and when asked what there course will lead to or what they want to do for a career reply simply with 'dunno' or again the people I know who have been to uni drop out only to go back to uni and still not use whatever they have studied is unreal. Perhaps the changes that are being made will stop this or actually make people think about a career and what they want to do abit more, if not there abit dence to waste that much money.

[BoneDog]

Why is it always cricket bats or baseball bats rather than hockey sticks? What's wrong with a hockey stick?

I prefer a tennis bat myself.

Always have since some ginger bird battered me with one when I was young.

You can attack but not look too menacing and still have quite a bit of comedy effect at the same time. Especially when wearing sweatbands.

I haven't seen this footage yet so can't comment about that. Sounds bang out of order though. No neeeeeeeeeeed.

[l444ry]

The big question...Is this a one off or is this just the start.

I will go for a prediction double.....today will be nothing compared to what will be coming over the next year or so.

I could say I told you so......but no one like a smart arse.

[Tommeh]

Whilst I'm a student if does really iirc me when we're labelled the same. My parents pay my tuitions currently, if they take the hike as rumoured they won't pay my sisters. My only loan this year barely covered my accomodation, and I live pretty well off shares and selling motor documents in spare time better than many I know who work.

There are some complete bellend students however I agree. But everyone does it their own way, the flip flops in winter, overdraft living, pissed every night steareotype is so wide of the mark you have no idea.

[Benji]

I was just making it clear that I'm not someone who wants everything for nothing and that I'm not arguing because I can't be arsed with the effort. I earn money and work hard, just like you by the sounds of it, no point as such.

Is your course price being tripled?

Fair play, not enough students with your attitude.

You eventually pay back the actual COST of your course rather than have the rest of us fund it for you in the hope that you eventually pay enough tax to cover it.

To be fair, if you don't pay it off within 2 or 3 years of finishing, unless your in a top dog industry you'll be paying it for years and years. And while the interest rate is merely that of inflation, it's not 0. 20 years of interest between 0.5% and 3% (in fact, during the 2nd and 3rd years of my degree im almost certain i was paying 4.8% interest) means you pay a fair bit more than you actually borrow. Take me, two years after finishing i owe more than i borrowed, and if anything with the economy as it is, money is worth less now than it was when i borrowed it!

[Father Ted]

Get on with it. fooking students.

Put your money where your mouths are and prove your there to study something your going to use and do a career in after rather than being wasters like a majority do to postpone working and just do it for something to do only to go back to uni to do another a course, feel sorry for the students that go for a proper reason and know what they want to do but the amount of people I know who are at uni and when asked what there course will lead to or what they want to do for a career reply simply with 'dunno' or again the people I know who have been to uni drop out only to go back to uni and still not use whatever they have studied is unreal. Perhaps the changes that are being made will stop this or actually make people think about a career and what they want to do abit more, if not there abit dence to waste that much money.

Absolutely... but you've only showed one half of the story.

As you've mentioned, there are people there who actually want to work and get on with it. There are those that aren't pissheads. Unfortunately, they end up falling under the 'Student' stereotype.

It's interesting that you say this as there has been talk recently of scrapping the first-year at Uni.

[Benji]

Absolutely... but you've only showed one half of the story.

As you've mentioned, there are people there who actually want to work and get on with it. There are those that aren't pissheads. Unfortunately, they end up falling under the 'Student' stereotype.

It's interesting that you say this as there has been talk recently of scrapping the first-year at Uni.

It's for this reason I hated the smell of a graduate tax.

The '''stereotype''' would have their degrees paid for by the other.

[Jon the Hat]

The big question...Is this a one off or is this just the start.

I will go for a prediction double.....today will be nothing compared to what will be coming over the next year or so.

I could say I told you so......but no one like a smart arse.

Agreed. There are a lot more selfish theiving twats waiting to come out of the woodwork yet...

[ajthefox]

do you know the difference between 'all' and 'most'?

see the student above, saying he'd need a 9 grand loan to pay for it. another one who isnt quite as clued up as they think. you dont need a loan to pay for the fee's as you wont pay up front, you just pay a small monthly fee once you earn, as much as £30 per month - hardly earth shattering is it. If you want more figures i suggest you go and watch 'all' of todays PMQ's

Ok my apologies I mis-read what you typed, I jumped the gun a bit.

I know how the payment scheme works, but that wasn't my point. I have however just realised my earier comparison doesn't stand up either as the actual cost for a university to teach a degree isn't changing either so the government aren't paying institutions more, the government is simply cutting most of what they were putting in and making us foot it insead.

I have seen the error of that earlier post so forgive me for being a bit eager to post, but I still don't think the massive increase is the answer.

[lcfc_jme]

Why would you worry about paying it off though? Not your risk is it. That is the governments concern. This is the point I think everyone is missing. There is no risk. No bailiffs, no one taking your stuff, or putting black marks against your name. You earn, you pay, just like tax, Easy.

I'd say these are my biggest concerns:

To be fair, if you don't pay it off within 2 or 3 years of finishing, unless your in a top dog industry you'll be paying it for years and years. And while the interest rate is merely that of inflation, it's not 0. 20 years of interest between 0.5% and 3% (in fact, during the 2nd and 3rd years of my degree im almost certain i was paying 4.8% interest) means you pay a fair bit more than you actually borrow. Take me, two years after finishing i owe more than i borrowed, and if anything with the economy as it is, money is worth less now than it was when i borrowed it!

I hate the idea of owing so much money before I even begin working hence why I'd love to get it paid off as soon as I can, although it seems highly unlikely that it'll be paid within 15 years at this moment in time. It's probably the main reason why I've conciously made the decision to have my overdraft slashed from a £1,500 maximum to £250 over the summer, with the view to having it permanently taken off of my account by the end of January.

Were the fees to be £7,000+ and potentially resulting in me paying back more than that at the end of my course, I would almost certainly have considered just going straight into employment.

Get on with it. fooking students.

Put your money where your mouths are and prove your there to study something your going to use and do a career in after rather than being wasters like a majority do to postpone working and just do it for something to do only to go back to uni to do another a course, feel sorry for the students that go for a proper reason and know what they want to do but the amount of people I know who are at uni and when asked what there course will lead to or what they want to do for a career reply simply with 'dunno' or again the people I know who have been to uni drop out only to go back to uni and still not use whatever they have studied is unreal. Perhaps the changes that are being made will stop this or actually make people think about a career and what they want to do abit more, if not there abit dence to waste that much money.

Errmm.. I'm currently one of those people who has a "dunno" answer for my career path. Yes, I would absolutely love to make a career as a family / divorce lawyer, but whether I can or not is a different story. Doesn't make me a "waster" or one of these sterotypical out-all-the-time-wall-to-wall-drunk students, nor does it mean I've come here to put off getting a full-time job.

[Webbo]

The big question...Is this a one off or is this just the start.

I will go for a prediction double.....today will be nothing compared to what will be coming over the next year or so.

I could say I told you so......but no one like a smart arse.

Predicting scumbags rioting when they can't get their own way is like predicting cold weather in January. Tell us something we don't know.