acooling08 Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Vettel does not deserve the win. - Only got pole due to Perez crash. - Only won due to SC, then stupidly being able to change his almost gone tyres. Enjoy it Seb, but you know deep down you didn't win 'properly'. JB would have done it.
ScouseFox Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Vettel does not deserve the win. - Only got pole due to Perez crash. - Only won due to SC, then stupidly being able to change his almost gone tyres. Enjoy it Seb, but you know deep down you didn't win 'properly'. JB would have done it. Still won though, doubt he's that arsed.
Haydos Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Vettel does not deserve the win. - Only got pole due to Perez crash. - Only won due to SC, then stupidly being able to change his almost gone tyres. Enjoy it Seb, but you know deep down you didn't win 'properly'. JB would have done it. Demz da rulez. He made his own luck today. Gambled with staying out in front with degrading tyres - paid off. Then drove home efficiently and without mistake. Can't really knock him. Surely you could have said JB was lucky to be in with a shout anyway after Red Bull ****ed up the pit stop?
Brainy Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 He was given a drive through for it so doesn't that mean you don't understand them? And the Hamilton-Massa incident was completely different to the Hamilton-Schumacher one. Schumacher got up the inside nice and early and had the overtake before the corner. Hamilton dived in and was barely halfway alongside Massa. Oh so the stewards have never made a questionable decision? bit illogical. So, as Haydos said, Hamilton got punished meaning he was going against the rules. You learn them. Then fuck off anyway. Hamilton/Schumacher and Hamilton/Massa, although at the same place, were 2 situations. Schumacher had enough space to overtake Hamilton and could fit through the edge of the track and Hamilton's car. He took his opportunity. As for Hamilton on Massa - Massa was so close to the edge of the track that it would have been impossible for Hamilton to overtake cleanly and fairly. As a result, he didn't do that, did he? He then had to go in to Massa's car because of his own mistake. And then being the dick he is, he blames Massa for going in to him. All Massa was doing was following his own racing line and he couldn't have altered it otherwise he would have gone wide and in to the barrier himself. It was all caused by Hamilton being over-ambitious, therefore he got punished by causing a collision. As Haydos points out, he got a drive through I agree Massa had part of the blame too, but mainly for going up the rear of the Red Bull in front. I suppose he would've gotten a penalty as well had he not crashed. Go look at Schumachers move on Rosberg. There was barely any room for him to pass yet Rosberg was he was wise enough to give enough room to Schumacher and that was cleanly done. Imagine in Massa did the same, There are some moves at certain locations on the F1 calendar where if one driver lunges down the inside, the other driver pretty much has to give up the position to avoid a collision. Vettel, Hamilton, Kobayashi and Alonso are some drivers who have benefited from such a situation. At that hairpin with a car coming down the inside of you you can NOT take the racing line around there otherwise you're asking to be hit in the side.
StanSP Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 What's he said? I'm watching Hud v Pet now. I didn't watch/hear it but someone said that he said 'stewards only bring me in cos I'm black'.
acooling08 Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Vettel is the best driver in the world. He knows that everything fell perfectly him today. The Perez crash, the SCs and red flag fell absolutely perfectly for him the whole weekend. There was virtually know way in which Vettel couldn't win.. it was handed to him today on a platter. You could tell by him speaking over the radio. No screaming or anything, just a solumn 'thank you boys'. If he wins it next year in full racing conditions it'll mean a lot more to him.
Haydos Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 I didn't watch/hear it but someone said that he said 'stewards only bring me in cos I'm black'. He can't have said that exactly. Very serious allegation if he did.
Brainy Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Vettel is the best driver in the world. He knows that everything fell perfectly him today. The Perez crash, the SCs and red flag fell absolutely perfectly for him the whole weekend. There was virtually know way in which Vettel couldn't win.. it was handed to him today on a platter. You could tell by him speaking over the radio. No screaming or anything, just a solumn 'thank you boys'. If he wins it next year in full racing conditions it'll mean a lot more to him. Agree with the middle line but in my mind there's a difference between a driver and a racer. Right now Vettel has the best opportunity to prove he's the best driver since 90% of the time he has nobody infront of him and can constantly pump in fast laps. For me he's yet to prove that he's a great racer let alone the best. Alonso and Hamilton and perhaps even Kobayashi are the best racers having proved that they can fight there way through the field to win races or get onto the podium. It was said today that 12/14 of Vettels race wins have been from him leading after turn one. One of the two was last weekend where he overtook Alonso in the pitlane and the other I cant remember off the top of my head.
shen Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Go look at Schumachers move on Rosberg. There was barely any room for him to pass yet Rosberg was he was wise enough to give enough room to Schumacher and that was cleanly done. Imagine in Massa did the same, There are some moves at certain locations on the F1 calendar where if one driver lunges down the inside, the other driver pretty much has to give up the position to avoid a collision. Vettel, Hamilton, Kobayashi and Alonso are some drivers who have benefited from such a situation. At that hairpin with a car coming down the inside of you you can NOT take the racing line around there otherwise you're asking to be hit in the side. Rosberg rather suspiciously gave enough room for a jumbojet to slip through. Team-mates and countrymen while Schumacher was obviously the much faster of the two at that time. Not a similar situation to Massa-Hamilton who obviously have bad blood between them. I'm not jumping on Hamilton's back, I acknowledge that Massa wasn't without fault in the incident. But your response seems just as highly pro-Hamilton biased as other anti-Hamilton comments. Vettel is the best driver in the world. He knows that everything fell perfectly him today. The Perez crash, the SCs and red flag fell absolutely perfectly for him the whole weekend. There was virtually know way in which Vettel couldn't win.. it was handed to him today on a platter. You could tell by him speaking over the radio. No screaming or anything, just a solumn 'thank you boys'. If he wins it next year in full racing conditions it'll mean a lot more to him. He didn't lose his cool, he had a faultless drive and the screw-up in the pits made his team take a bit of a gamble. It paid off and credit to them. I don't know what you mean when you say 'full racing conditions'. Monaco has and will continue to be an unpredictable race with incidents affecting it.
Haydos Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Agree with the middle line but in my mind there's a difference between a driver and a racer. Right now Vettel has the best opportunity to prove he's the best driver since 90% of the time he has nobody infront of him and can constantly pump in fast laps. For me he's yet to prove that he's a great racer let alone the best. Alonso and Hamilton and perhaps even Kobayashi are the best racers having proved that they can fight there way through the field to win races or get onto the podium. It was said today that 12/14 of Vettels race wins have been from him leading after turn one. One of the two was last weekend where he overtook Alonso in the pitlane and the other I cant remember off the top of my head. Is there shame in being a great 'driver' rather than a great 'racer'? I know which I'd rather be and which will make him the best ever if he carries on like this for 10 years. He's winning races because he consistently out-qualifies everyone and the proceeds to run away with it yet it sounds like you're trying to take away from him.
Brainy Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Rosberg rather suspiciously gave enough room for a jumbojet to slip through. Team-mates and countrymen while Schumacher was obviously the much faster of the two at that time. Not a similar situation to Massa-Hamilton who obviously have bad blood between them. I'm not jumping on Hamilton's back, I acknowledge that Massa wasn't without fault in the incident. But your response seems just as highly pro-Hamilton biased as other anti-Hamilton comments. He didn't lose his cool, he had a faultless drive and the screw-up in the pits made his team take a bit of a gamble. It paid off and credit to them. I don't know what you mean when you say 'full racing conditions'. Monaco has and will continue to be an unpredictable race with incidents affecting it. I bet they look pro-Hamilton and i'm not one to defend him when he is 100% at fault, however I dont believe anything that he was involved in today was 100% his fault, but the somebody who said he's "a ****ing ****" (not you I know), I dont think they're looking at the bigger picture, just that a crashed into b.
ScouseFox Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13590330.stm andrewbensonf1 Andrew Benson "Explosive interview with Hamilton railing at stewards, quoting, apparently in jest, Ali G, "Is it because I is black"?"
Brainy Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Is there shame in being a great 'driver' rather than a great 'racer'? I know which I'd rather be and which will make him the best ever if he carries on like this for 10 years. He's winning races because he consistently out-qualifies everyone and the proceeds to run away with it yet it sounds like you're trying to take away from him. Nope, Vettel is quite clearly the best driver on the grid right now but i'm saying that we haven't yet seen him come through the field (not even from anything as high as 5th) to win a race. We were robbed of that today by the safety car cause at one stage it looked as if he'd have to overtake Button to get the win. That was before he opted to one stop, and if I wanted to be very harsh I could say that Vettel decided to one stop as he didnt fancy his own chances of overtaking for the win. And you're seriously telling me you'd get more of a thrill out of winning 20 races and leading every single lap of the season than winning 20 races starting from the back of the grid every single time?
Haydos Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Nope, Vettel is quite clearly the best driver on the grid right now but i'm saying that we haven't yet seen him come through the field (not even from anything as high as 5th) to win a race. We were robbed of that today by the safety car cause at one stage it looked as if he'd have to overtake Button to get the win. That was before he opted to one stop, and if I wanted to be very harsh I could say that Vettel decided to one stop as he didnt fancy his own chances of overtaking for the win. And you're seriously telling me you'd get more of a thrill out of winning 20 races and leading every single lap of the season than winning 20 races starting from the back of the grid every single time? Not a thrill per se but there is no substitute for winning when it comes to elation. That's why I hate that load of bollocks phrase "It's not the winning, it's the taking part that counts", fook off, whoever wrote that was definitely a loser. I'm not sure it's relevant right now whether he's a good racer, he doesn't need to be. I suppose it's a case of preference but for me if you get pole and win every week then you're better than someone that wins half the time and spends the other qualifying in 10th and fighting his way up to 3rd.
Asha Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 I'm not just WUMing here, I honestly believe Hamilton should be banned for deliberately causing several crashes in that race. Absolutely disgusting conduct all race. His pathetic little outburst on the interview afterwards is pathetic too, crying that he gets stewards calling him a lot. I think he'll find that's because when he isn't winning he throws his toys out the pram and just drives into people.
Asha Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Oh, and for all of you Brit Boy fans who were criticising Fernando's post-championship reaction in Abu Dhabi, I hope you realise that you're supporting the most pathetic little bitch in the sport. Fact.
Nick Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 I'm not just WUMing here, I honestly believe Hamilton should be banned for deliberately causing several crashes in that race. Absolutely disgusting conduct all race. His pathetic little outburst on the interview afterwards is pathetic too, crying that he gets stewards calling him a lot. I think he'll find that's because when he isn't winning he throws his toys out the pram and just drives into people. Say what you really feel.
acooling08 Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 WTF you idiots? He clearly said the racist comment as a joke!
Narborough_fox Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Hamilton's been infront of the Steward's 5 times out of 6 this season?! That's ridiculous , either Hamilton's been over-aggressive or the Steward's are being very harsh on him. I'm going for the 2nd because apart from this race I can't actually remember him doing much wrong.
Haydos Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 WTF you idiots? He clearly said the racist comment as a joke! Racist allegations aren't really a joke in one of the biggest sports on the planet. Stupid comment either way. Anyone got a link to the interview?
acooling08 Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Oh, and for all of you Brit Boy fans who were criticising Fernando's post-championship reaction in Abu Dhabi, I hope you realise that you're supporting the most pathetic little bitch in the sport. Fact. At least Hamilton has a reason to be angry. The stewarts are a joke in F1. Schumacher made the move up the hairpin twice but the driver in front (Rosberg and Hamilton) knew to let him through so nothing came of it. Massa however virtually parked in front of Hamilton and so he gets a penalty. Stupid. This is motorsport ffs, crashes will happen when people try and overtake. Massa should have got a penalty for blocking in Quali anyway so he shouldn't even of been there.
Narborough_fox Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Racist allegations aren't really a joke in one of the biggest sports on the planet. Stupid comment either way. Anyone got a link to the interview? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13588664.stm NB: Hamilton given 20 seconds penalty but reatains 6th if anyone didn't know.
Haydos Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 Ergh, that's pretty cringeworthy. Can tell they interviewer doesn't really know how to react after he says "maybe it's 'cause I'm black". However you want to argue it, he can't say that. After seeing it again I still think the overtake on Massa is a desperate lunge up the inside on a corner that shouldn't be possible to overtake on. When Schmacher did Hamilton, Lewis was on the right of the track. When Hamilton tried to take Massa, Felipe was in the middle of the track, that's the difference for me, the room just wasn't there. As for the Maldonaldo incident, Hamilton was very harshly done by, unlike with Schumacher he had the inside line and was alongside Maldonado going into the right hander and Maldonado had no right to turn in there.
Haydos Posted 29 May 2011 Posted 29 May 2011 At least Hamilton has a reason to be angry. The stewarts are a joke in F1. Schumacher made the move up the hairpin twice but the driver in front (Rosberg and Hamilton) knew to let him through so nothing came of it. Massa however virtually parked in front of Hamilton and so he gets a penalty. Stupid. This is motorsport ffs, crashes will happen when people try and overtake. Massa should have got a penalty for blocking in Quali anyway so he shouldn't even of been there. Watch it again. Like I said, both incidents are completely different. Schumacher is up the inside of Hamilton and practically level before the corner. Hamilton brakes late and is still not level with Massa at the corner.
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