Those who are not pro-standing and went Man City away

[lcfc"weasel"]

I think that's a little bit unfair. I have bad legs, and can't stand for more than about 30 mins and if you "ruined" the game for me for not sitting down once i was in pain - i'd be a little bit miffed that you wouldn't show another Leicester fan some compassion - same goes for the older generation of supporters who can't stand for long..

I'm all for standing like someone said above "safe-standing."

I think that came out wrong, i'd never force someone who was physically unable to stand, Leicester fan or Forest. However, I will not stand there and have somebody poke me in the back all game telling me to sit down when they are perfectly capable of standing up. It's not like i'm gonna stand in front of them and poke them until they stand up is it? The problem arises when people insist on going to there allocated seat. If you want to sit down and your ticket is on the back row, surely you don't go there and try and make everyone in front of you sit down. The same if you want to stand and have a ticket on the front row. Although, this can be possible as Preston proved if there are enough empty rows behind you.

[MattyFromLE]

I think that came out wrong, i'd never force someone who was physically unable to stand, Leicester fan or Forest. However, I will not stand there and have somebody poke me in the back all game telling me to sit down when they are perfectly capable of standing up. It's not like i'm gonna stand in front of them and poke them until they stand up is it? The problem arises when people insist on going to there allocated seat. If you want to sit down and your ticket is on the back row, surely you don't go there and try and make everyone in front of you sit down. The same if you want to stand and have a ticket on the front row. Although, this can be possible as Preston proved if there are enough empty rows behind you.

Thats fair enough! Sorry, the way it was written through me off! I agree though

[fleckneymike]

I'm always baffled by this debate and why it keeps on cropping up.

Quite how standing makes your support more legitimate than someone who sits is beyond me (and I speak as someone who stands).

Different strokes for different folks, stand if you wish, sit if you wish, just don't whinge about it. If you're stood in front on someone who wants to sit then you sit down, mainly out of politeness but also out of respect.

[StarFox]

I went to the Man City game on Tuesday Night and I really enjoyed standing up. However the City of Manchester Stadium is different to that of the Walkers and for some reason doesn't make it as convenient for us to stand at the Leicester ground.

I personally felt that we made the atmosphere great on Tuesday night, but irrespective of the size of the two stadiums I would take the Walkers for comfort, view of the pitch and atmosphere any day of the week.

[Haydos]

I anyone actively against standing? I'd like to hear their thoughts. Just for a shake up

[Jakemoore]

What a stupid post this is, piss off telling me I should`nt go to away games, I have not missed a game, home or away, for 26 years, how`s YOUR record looking ?? in my younger day`s standing up for 90 mins was fine, now various bits of me bluddy ache when I stand for too long, I pay for a SEAT and prefer to sit in it, I still sing etc but enjoy sitting to watch my footie now, I`m looking forward to the day you

stand in front of me because I will moan and if you nicely, or otherwise tell me to fcuk off, well, we`ll see what happens !!!!

Uh-oh some ones in line for a slap! Hahaha

[The Year Of The Fox]

I hate sitting. Leeds away (twice this season) was horrible. Didn't see many Arsenal fans having to sit down there the other night.

Whilst I do feel like telling people to F Off if told to sit down, I am mindful of the fact that they may well have been supporting City much much longer than I have, and as one poster said he hasn't missed a game in x amount of years.

If someones gobbing off at you from behind telling you to sit down- SWAP SEATS WITH EM!

[Finnegan]

We have a lot of seriously pretentious wankers following this club.

And people wonder why the Fosse Boys aren't taking off?

[Fosse Boy]

We have a lot of seriously pretentious wankers following this club.

And people wonder why the Fosse Boys aren't taking off?

It's one lad speaking for himself.

[Ford Super Sunday]

It is extremely silly to start a pro/anti standing argument really, the heart of the problem lies in the administative side of things.

Away games that are unreserved seem to be no problem. People who like to stand go to the back, those who like to sit go to the front. As seen at Preston last Saturday, standers rocking up 2 minutes before kick-off in a sold out section and then being miffed that there's nowhere at the back doesn't help things. But on the whole it works well.

Reserved deating at regular away games is the big problem. Obviously Man City is an anomoly, which I expect to be repeated at Forest, and to a large extent Derby. The problem was really highlighted at Watford recently, with people sitting right up to the back of the stand, and people who want to stand at the front.

Whenever I ask for a ticket for away games, I specifically ask for somewhere near or at the back. I don't see why the ticket office couldn't actively ask this question, one which takes several seconds at most. Or people could simply use their common sense, if they know they're not going to want to stand, then the front is their preferred destination.

The attacking of fans sitting does annoy me, I had some cretin behind me at Preston blasting fans who were sitting than actually watching the game itself, and the incident which was mentioned at Millwall, if accurate, is just moronic.

However, conversely, last season at Derby some bozo was about six rows from the back, with EVERYONE around him standing, and he tried to get the man in front of him to sit down. People who sit need to have some courtesy and sense about the people too. (specifically those who are near the back)

People have the choice, and some choose to sit, I see no problem with that. Common sense should be used when distributing tickets to away games, as it would save a lot of hassle and the weekly threads on how I HAD A RUBBISH TIME COZ I HAD TO SIT DOWN.

Other than that, it seems to be creating uneccesary 'them and us' divisions between the fans, where it comes across that anyone who sits at an away game is autimatically less of a supporter than someone who stands all game, which is of course not true in the slightest.

[kylestyle06]

I hate sitting. Leeds away (twice this season) was horrible. Didn't see many Arsenal fans having to sit down there the other night.

Whilst I do feel like telling people to F Off if told to sit down, I am mindful of the fact that they may well have been supporting City much much longer than I have, and as one poster said he hasn't missed a game in x amount of years.

If someones gobbing off at you from behind telling you to sit down- SWAP SEATS WITH EM!

90% of the time they moan that they're sitting in "their seat", on the ticket.

It doesn't work like that. I've nearly been kicked out numerous times for this very reason.

Tossers

[Finnegan]

It's one lad speaking for himself.

You don't think there's an overriding air of elitism on here at times when it comes to these debates? I see it alienating people on here who might otherwise be involved and I seriously question the people skills of some of those repeatedly leading the charge.

[Edmund]

The reason why so many stood was because the majority were the "right" type of supporter.

[James.]

You don't think there's an overriding air of elitism on here at times when it comes to these debates? I see it alienating people on here who might otherwise be involved and I seriously question the people skills of some of those repeatedly leading the charge.

If people don't acknowledge how true this is then that only goes to prove the point further.

[davieG]

[ashfosse]

agree with edmund

Theres been loads of posts about this issue and it really is a hot topic. for me, everyone should be standing at away games. most premier division teams, leeds, millwall, cardiff, pompey, boro....all these teams have away fans that stand up at away games week in week out. therefore this is a reason as to why they have the best support around (noise wise). i appreciate the fact that the older generation of city fan cannot stand, but your telling me there's no-one over the age of 60 that goes to support leeds, newcastle, liverpool, man utd, cardiff, pompey, boro, spurs.....list goes on.

i know its not anyones place to say what you can and cannot do, but this is a reason as to why our support isn't up there with the best.

Tuesday night was one of the best lcfc away supports i've seen in years.

so lets stand and get behind the lads properly at sheff U.

UTF!!

[Bellend Sebastian]

I love this shit. I should have been a psychologist

[davieG]

I love this shit. I should have been a psychologist

I hope you'd make your patients stand during consultations.

[Criggers]

When will people learn, if the rules are no standing then sit down? If you decide to stand and get told not to and/or are ejected from the ground dont make a big human rights argument about it. Until there are "safe" standing areas implemented into stadiums (which will probably never happen) just accept how it is.

It pisses me off when people moan about not being able to stand. If you don't like it dont buy a ticket. You know the rules before hand so why waste money if you aren't going to enjoy it?

And yes, before anyone starts slagging me off, I like to stand. For the Man City game in SK1 a lot of the people around me were standing for most of the game, but I know if I was in SK2/3 lower down the tier then I wouldn't be able to stand as everyone around me would be sat down.

Stop throwing dummies out the pram and accept how things are.

[Fosse Boy]

You don't think there's an overriding air of elitism on here at times when it comes to these debates? I see it alienating people on here who might otherwise be involved and I seriously question the people skills of some of those repeatedly leading the charge.

No, I wouldn't deny that. I far from think it would be fair to place that blame at the door of Fosse Boys though.

For the record my own personal view on this subject is that both standers and sitters deserve freedom of choice. As much as I personally would love to see everyone on their feet bouncing home and away every single game I sadly have to recognise that this is not the case, the mentality in this country just isn't there for this to happen at the moment. Therefore just as standers deserve the choice to stand, sitters deserve the choice to sit. But while the current regulations vastly favour those who choose to sit we're going to continue having these kind of arguments. While clubs, governing bodies, politicians et al continue to bury their heads in the sand, continue to be completely unwilling to recognise the fact that some fans choose to stand (the naivety about the issue fromsome who run our club is absolutely astounding) and hide behind outdated and untrue scaremongering about Hillsborough, hooliganism and the like we can't have a sensible debate about the subject.

I think the lads (again I'll stress only one of whom is a member of our group) who have expressed militantly pro-standing views in this thread are only describing an ideal from their point of view. I can't blame them for that, that's what lads in that demographic want out of going to football (and an ideal that I subscribe to too). While some of the threatening behaviour described towards sitters is appalling and could easily be handled with some common sense, the arrogance and elitism is very much a two-way street as sitters know the law, stewards, safety officers are on their side - which leaves lads who prefer to stand but can't do so frustrated and angry. Sadly they direct their frustrations at the wrong people as seems to be the case in his thread.

[Bellend Sebastian]

I hope you'd make your patients stand during consultations.

It's not real psychology if they don't

[marbelladave]

First of all, I did not go to Citeh, but that is somewhat irrelevant as it was pretty much a one off.

As someone brought up on proper terracing I much prefer to stand, but I find standing in a seating area seriously unsettling. Used to the sway and movement of a terrace I find the restriction of the seats in front of me a real put off, lethal if you are pushed from behind. I know that given the restrictions this is highly unlikely but my brain, used to years of open terracing, does not think like that.

So generally, in all seater stadiums I prefer to sit, not all the time obviously, but much of the time. Therefore I usually sit in the West Stand at the Walkers and away from home I buy the best available seats which is usually among the home fans. It is quite rare to have people standing persistently in these circumstances, so it kind of works for me.

Unreserved seating seems to be a practical solution as described above and at away games it seems to work well, if I know this to be the case then I am comfortable buying tickets in the away end, otherwise not. I think the lack of mobility is the big problem, reservered seating has encouraged some people to regard their assigned seats as sacrosant, this is often reinforced by officious stewarding, so they are reluctant to move, even when this is an obvious solution.

What I find particularly sad is the devisiveness that this issue generates, some 'sitters' can be particularly sanctimonious which makes them look like arseholes but similarly the 'standers' can be aggressive, considering themselves superior as they are 'proper' fans unlike those wishing to sit, and behave like pricks.

Somehow we need to separate the different fans, ideally 'sitters' at the front, 'standers' at the back but it is hard to see how that could be achieved without the co-operation of the Club and ticket office, co-operation that the Club simply can not provide for obvious reasons.

[Fosse Boy]

What I find particularly sad is the devisiveness that this issue generates, some 'sitters' can be particularly sanctimonious which makes them look like arseholes but similarly the 'standers' can be aggressive, considering themselves superior as they are 'proper' fans unlike those wishing to sit, and behave like pricks.

Somehow we need to separate the different fans, ideally 'sitters' at the front, 'standers' at the back but it is hard to see how that could be achieved without the co-operation of the Club and ticket office, co-operation that the Club simply can not provide for obvious reasons.

However, I would point out that the club could co-operate if they wanted to. Officials from many other clubs have expressed a willingness to support members of their fanbase who prefer to stand. However, our club don't want to do this. When invited to work with fans for a sensible solution to the issue they washed their hands of it, claiming that it was the fans responsibility to to campaign pressure governments, authorities and the like for standing areas. However, when a banner supporting another club's (that's club's, not just fanbase's) struggle to keep their terrace was produced it was deemed too political by the very same people!

[marbelladave]

However, I would point out that the club could co-operate if they wanted to. Officials from many other clubs have expressed a willingness to support members of their fanbase who prefer to stand. However, our club don't want to do this. When invited to work with fans for a sensible solution to the issue they washed their hands of it, claiming that it was the fans responsibility to to campaign pressure governments, authorities and the like for standing areas. However, when a banner supporting another club's (that's club's, not just fanbase's) struggle to keep their terrace was produced it was deemed too political by the very same people!

I have no knowledge how other clubs deal with this issue but it is clear that the 'powers that be' at the Walkers will not agree to anything that could be interpreted as supporting standing. Personally I find their attitude to any fan who wants 'involvement' with his club reprehensible, their attempts to 'sell' the whole 'match day experience' rubbish pretty depressing but while this attitude remains at the club I see no way forward for your cause.

What does confuse me somewhat is that the stewarding and enforcement of the sitting/standing issue is entiely random, the recent Leeds and Newcastle experiences for example or the almost universal standing at grounds like Old Trafford, Anfield etc that goes entirely unchecked.

[Alexikokopops]

I'm pro-choice