The Over the Top Negativity Thread sponsored by Col City Fan

[Bert]

I still can't believe we sold gradel.

[Number 6]

Sven has been the creator or his own downfall. Without that succession of brilliant performances we might well be happy with where we are. I'm looking at the big picture and seeing his reign as a success thus far.

Sven has been able to attract some top talent to a (what were) a poor Championship side. I can only imagine what he'll do over the summer and, to even greater effect, if we can also offer prem football.

I think he's still figuring things out. The Burnley result and various performances in the early parts of 2011, spcifically A King's goal vs Derby A, show me what we could be capable of under Sven. We just need a bigger squad for adapting to different teams, and more consistency.

[Legend_in_blue]

Sven is one of the most recogniseable football managers in the world.

He has a decent CV.

That's all well and good. What concerns me though is the fact that it seems to be taking him so long to figure out what doesn't go right and how to prevent it from happening again. We're a constant WIP and are no more settled now than when he first came in. He just has a better class of player to work with.

You don't need to be a world renowned football manager to figure out that defensive lapses are caused through an imbalance across the line, and yet Sven persists with it.

People say he needs time to get to grips with the championship. Ok, I can understand that to a point but understanding the championship should have little to no bearing on how you set up your own side for games. The balance wasn't there under Sousa and it really isn't there now.

I'm not blaming players as I believe we have the personnel to at least be top 6 right now but the manager has to take some criticism for what can only be described as bizarre tactical decisions that in recent matches have cost us pretty much 10 points.

Anything short of promotion next season will be a disaster for Sven.

[Kitchandro]

Facts about Sven:

• Has won nothing in years
  
• Tinkers with the team selection unecessarily - doesnt give any justification for these changes.
  
• Clearly has his favourites
  
• Just wont give a lot of players here before him a chance (then gets rid of likes of Hobbs and Fryatt)
  
• Has signed a lot of poor loanees and wasted money on wages
  
• Under pressure he is no good. Always starts off well, but his system gets found out and when the pressure is on he is poor.
  He does need a summer, does need time to buy people and does need backing. But people shouldnt keep thinking he is great just because he has helped turn us around. He has been here since October FFS not January.
  Should be judged by October next season though, not right now.
  

Agreed.

[Kitchandro]

Really grates me when people suggest that just because the loanees aren't permanent players they must not care -

They are leicester players, they're playing for the shirt, they've got a point to prove - be it that they're still good enough for the prem (Yak, Kamara) or their future is bright and their parent club shouldn't just dispatch them and buy someone else (Mee, Naughton, Van Aanholt, Bruma) and so they feel the pain of defeat - perhaps not as much as supporters, but they'll still be hurting from having lost.

No I realyy do dispute this.

Some have the right attitude and care. I think Naughton and Mee do, and is it a surprise they've been the most impressive? But some footballers have a bad attitude.

For me, you can see by the body language of Yakubu that he doesn't care what happens to us. Apparently he was laughing at half time when we were 2-0 down. He barely ever puts a shift in. Some players see their future's with us or are least honest hard-working professionals, so they put the work in and play as if they were playing in the Champions League (in terms of attitude, not skill).

Others see it as all about themselves. It was the same with Davies. He'd put himself in the shop window - once he had done that he'd thought he had done enough and took his foot off the gas. It's not even about caring, it's about needing it. The loan players know that if they don't get us promoted, they can always go back to their parent Clubs, or get loaned out to another Club in our position. It's not all or nothing for some of them.

[Babylon]

Why on earth do you need to have a go at these players? Until Sven took over none of the three mentioned here wanted to leave the club. Hobbs was our player of the season, fryatt our top scorer and waghorn a very expensive young signing with a bright future...

None of them indicated they wanted to go and at that time wanted to play for Leicester city. Since the arrival of Sven they have effectively been forced out, and for what? Bruma, yakubu and kamara?

You think that this signifies a club going forward? We've replaced loyal city players who were consistently strong under a previous manager for loanees who are playing consistently badly under the new one.... Progress? Not for me it aint

So Fryatt wasn't one of the players handing in a summer transfer request then when Sousa was here? Really loyal that guy, for more evidence look at Burts posts about how bad his attitude has been all year. His nose was put out of joint by the way Pearson left and Campbell being the blue eyed boy for Sousa preseason and at the start.... But no, let's forget all that and blame sven.

Hobbs has been shit this season, the only reason he was replaced by Bruma was because he didn't want to stay and fight for his place in the team. Again, what a really loyal bloke hey! Sven said at the time of his departure he'd had to get rid of a few people with negative attitudes. If he had had a better attitude and willingness to stay and fight Bruma would not even be here.

Anyway back to point, the reason they are mentioned is because people slag Sven off for picking favourites, when they themselves have favourites like the mentioned players, great players last year but crap all of this... But they escape criticism, where as ones the manager likes get ripped to bits. Double standards?

As for the rest of your post not really sure what the hell that has to do with anything I've said.

[Babylon]

No I realyy do dispute this.

Some have the right attitude and care. I think Naughton and Mee do, and is it a surprise they've been the most impressive? But some footballers have a bad attitude.

For me, you can see by the body language of Yakubu that he doesn't care what happens to us. Apparently he was laughing at half time when we were 2-0 down. He barely ever puts a shift in. Some players see their future's with us or are least honest hard-working professionals, so they put the work in and play as if they were playing in the Champions League (in terms of attitude, not skill).

Others see it as all about themselves. It was the same with Davies. He'd put himself in the shop window - once he had done that he'd thought he had done enough and took his foot off the gas. It's not even about caring, it's about needing it. The loan players know that if they don't get us promoted, they can always go back to their parent Clubs, or get loaned out to another Club in our position. It's not all or nothing for some of them.

So basically if a player does well for us he has a good attitude, if he plays badly he has a bad attitude? Be honest you don't have a clue what the attitude is of any if these players, smne aren't performing and you don't like it so you want another stick to beat them with.

As for Yakubu laughing, you're basing this on stringers view for starters. Secondly, so what. It doesn't mean a bloody thing if he did. I've laughed at a funeral before, doesn't mean I was happy and didn't give a shit the person who died.

[Karljohn]

Fryatt wasn't as great as others made out. 1 good season at a lower level and a half decent 1 at a higher level doesn't constitute for a good player. He is a decent player but he only shown good form every other season for a short period. Other than that he was a passenger.

Waghorn isn't a loyal city player either. He only left Sunderland because they needed to recoup money from signing Gyan otherwise he wouldn't have had no interest in ever coming back. Plus this season he's been average at best.

Hobbs i agree has been given the shaft in favor of Bamba (Who still doesn't convince me). I have a feeling he'll come back next season and force his way back into reckoning.

At the end of the day wether you like it or not the team are doing pretty well without these players and i don't think we'd really be doing any better with them in the 11.

Agree with this although perhaps a little unfair on Waggy who probably hasnt had ten games this season, agree though that he wouldnt be in a blue shirt had Bruce not brokered the deal for Gyan.

Bamba looks every bit a 250k defender and now his honeymoon period is over its hard to say whether he will warm the bench next season, it seems a nonsense that we should loan our player of the season and in the cold light of day I am hoping that Sven will throw Jack back into the team in August, look at the likes of Clint Hill, Andy Griffin etc, we need an old wise head alongside Jack, Ben Mee etc, this league isn't always about pace and flair but if we are going to also shape out midfield around what Sven considers to be our best technical players Wellens(who in my opinion needs a kick up the arse) and Gallagher, then we need a couple of midfielders who are going too run their bollocks off to and flood the penalty area, also pick up Wellens misplaced passes!

[The Year Of The Fox]

Linekers Left Foot- thts where you and other fans are going wrong- everyone would not give everything to have a manager of his calibre. That is a myth. I know on other forums some fans were delighted we'd got sven- (some fans being derby forest cov)

Every football fan in this country will have a different opinion on him. But he is not the be all and end all. Certainly sven has the best cv in our legaue, but that is all.

My opinion of him is that he's been slightly naive- in thinking that getting premiership players in will guarentee premiership football. (The best team iv seen this season is norwich-how many prem players do they have?) Also the fact that sven still 1. Doesnt know his strongest 11 and 2. Seems to think his squad rotation wont affect us.

I pointed my worries out about sven before cardiff away in a thread titled 'hang on a sec, weve done nothing yet'

The slagging off I got in that thread was from fans who were pissed off that id criticised sir sven, when all I was trying to do was inject some realism into us. Realism that now appears well founded. With Those that did manage to make a thought out comment most came back to me saying 'look at how hes turned our season around'

Yeh he did get us off the bottom but IMO all he had to do was play the same players in the same positions that pearson had them in this time last year. Thats something that anyone of US could do. So to me thats not much of an argument.

Ok he's made a couple of good signings-bamba and naughton, but I preferred the squad we had last season.

Every fan is entitled to their opinion, and whilst I believe sven will be here in august- heard off a very good source- it'll be interesting to see what he does if things aren't going right by october.

Im not convinced by saying 'he needs the summer to make his own signings' either. The majority of the players hes brought in I dont like. He does have his favourites, he did at england and does at city.

[Guest Col city fan]

Linekers Left Foot- thts where you and other fans are going wrong- everyone would not give everything to have a manager of his calibre. That is a myth. I know on other forums some fans were delighted we'd got sven- (some fans being derby forest cov)

Every football fan in this country will have a different opinion on him. But he is not the be all and end all. Certainly sven has the best cv in our legaue, but that is all.

My opinion of him is that he's been slightly naive- in thinking that getting premiership players in will guarentee premiership football. (The best team iv seen this season is norwich-how many prem players do they have?) Also the fact that sven still 1. Doesnt know his strongest 11 and 2. Seems to think his squad rotation wont affect us.

I pointed my worries out about sven before cardiff away in a thread titled 'hang on a sec, weve done nothing yet'

The slagging off I got in that thread was from fans who were pissed off that id criticised sir sven, when all I was trying to do was inject some realism into us. Realism that now appears well founded. With Those that did manage to make a thought out comment most came back to me saying 'look at how hes turned our season around'

Yeh he did get us off the bottom but IMO all he had to do was play the same players in the same positions that pearson had them in this time last year. Thats something that anyone of US could do. So to me thats not much of an argument.

Ok he's made a couple of good signings-bamba and naughton, but I preferred the squad we had last season.

Every fan is entitled to their opinion, and whilst I believe sven will be here in august- heard off a very good source- it'll be interesting to see what he does if things aren't going right by october.

Im not convinced by saying 'he needs the summer to make his own signings' either. The majority of the players hes brought in I dont like. He does have his favourites, he did at england and does at city.

You echo my sentiments exactly - this is the most realistic, unbiased post (together with an earlier one by Thracian) that I have read on here. The slagging off of anything written in a negative way about 'Sir Sven' borders on the bizarre.

I say again.....read it........some of our performances under Sven have been special (eg. Burnley). However, he's not God and for the past two months he has, to be real, fooked it up. Its amazing we are still in with a chance and, this is not due to City's form. Frankly, we are lucky bar stewards to even be still in with an outside shout of the play-offs. If we bend over and expose our arseholes against the Trees on Good Friday, like we did yesterday, I will be angry and very disappointed.

Thank-you Stu for making such sense...

[Guest Col city fan]

So Fryatt wasn't one of the players handing in a summer transfer request then when Sousa was here? Really loyal that guy, for more evidence look at Burts posts about how bad his attitude has been all year. His nose was put out of joint by the way Pearson left and Campbell being the blue eyed boy for Sousa preseason and at the start.... But no, let's forget all that and blame sven.

Hobbs has been shit this season, the only reason he was replaced by Bruma was because he didn't want to stay and fight for his place in the team. Again, what a really loyal bloke hey! Sven said at the time of his departure he'd had to get rid of a few people with negative attitudes. If he had had a better attitude and willingness to stay and fight Bruma would not even be here.

Anyway back to point, the reason they are mentioned is because people slag Sven off for picking favourites, when they themselves have favourites like the mentioned players, great players last year but crap all of this... But they escape criticism, where as ones the manager likes get ripped to bits. Double standards?

As for the rest of your post not really sure what the hell that has to do with anything I've said.

You are quite right here to be fair.. Fryatt and Hobbs were actually not loyal to City, but to Pearson. However, look how he's got them playing again at Hull. The point I was trying to make (badly) is that its a shame that good players like these could not be 'won over' either by Sousa or by Sven, as, under Pearson, they were good young City players. I'd rather see Hobbs and Fryatt at City, playing well, than Bruma and the Yak (ie. our own settled signings, rather than loanees with their own seperate agendas)

[The Year Of The Fox]

Col city fan- these have been my thoughts for ages. Unfortunately in this forum if you dont go with the flow youre a nob.

Another thing I forgot to add- when sven leaves one day, the same fans on here who love him wil be the ones who slag him off. Fickle bunch!

[Guest Col city fan]

Col city fan- these have been my thoughts for ages. Unfortunately in this forum if you dont go with the flow youre a nob.

Another thing I forgot to add- when sven leaves one day, the same fans on here who love him wil be the ones who slag him off. Fickle bunch!

It was exactly the same under Holloway mate... when we went down on that fateful day at Stoke and I had to suffer the indignity of coming back through the Stoke fans on the City fans coach, being jeered at and abused, it was one of the worst days of my life. I'd been suggesting that we were gonna go down for weeks beforehand and any comments were met with ridicule and misguided positivism based on 'we're too good to go down etc.'

Cheers and stay real... not negative... but real

Col

[Larry_LCFC]

Col city fan- these have been my thoughts for ages. Unfortunately in this forum if you dont go with the flow youre a nob.

Another thing I forgot to add- when sven leaves one day, the same fans on here who love him wil be the ones who slag him off. Fickle bunch!

You will regret saying that the fans are fickle. I got eaten alive when i said it the other day (even though its sooo true)

[Nick]

You are quite right here to be fair.. Fryatt and Hobbs were actually not loyal to City, but to Pearson. However, look how he's got them playing again at Hull. The point I was trying to make (badly) is that its a shame that good players like these could not be 'won over' either by Sousa or by Sven, as, under Pearson, they were good young City players. I'd rather see Hobbs and Fryatt at City, playing well, than Bruma and the Yak (ie. our own settled signings, rather than loanees with their own seperate agendas)

You have 179 posts of misery and no more idea of the agenda for the LCFC Miserable ****ers AGM than your perceived agenda of Jack Hobbs, Fryatt, Yakubu or my mothers bullying of the weakest kitten.

Sven love at least is based on a proven track record.

Your knee jerk reaction to what has been an amazing transitional season which it's likely we have fallen short at the final stages, is simply demonstrating your inability to comprehend football and the nature of gambling within the limitations of the funds, personnel and skill sets at a managers disposal for a given period of time.

You'll be over the moon when you see Ian Dowie's contact book for next season in charge.

And re: Hull, they had a pre-season.

Just write down in reply to this post the manager you would put in for next year and the players that person can realistically buy to definitely get us promoted - Simples.

Because in supporting the manager, I am just "papering over the cracks" and making blind, rhetorical, sweeping statements - let's hear a bit less rhetoric from you and put your money where your mouth is because I'm bored of the 'soloution-less anecdotal hate' - it's far less useful than the 'love' you criticise.

Sorry I'm hungover and this topic has been bugging me.

[Guest Col city fan]

You have 179 posts of misery and no more idea of the agenda for the LCFC Miserable ****ers AGM than your perceived agenda of Jack Hobbs, Fryatt, Yakubu or my mothers bullying of the weakest kitten.

Sven love at least is based on a proven track record.

Your knee jerk reaction to what has been an amazing transitional season which it's likely we have fallen short at the final stages, is simply demonstrating your inability to comprehend football and the nature of gambling within the limitations of the funds, personnel and skill sets at a managers disposal for a given period of time.

You'll be over the moon when you see Ian Dowie's contact book for next season in charge.

And re: Hull, they had a pre-season.

Just write down in reply to this post the manager you would put in for next year and the players that person can realistically buy to definitely get us promoted - Simples.

Because in supporting the manager, I am just "papering over the cracks" and making blind, rhetorical, sweeping statements - let's hear a bit less rhetoric from you and put your money where your mouth is because I'm bored of the 'soloution-less anecdotal hate' - it's far less useful than the 'love' you criticise.

Sorry I'm hungover and this topic has been bugging me.

hehe fair enough.... same here

However, read the posts about the players ratings yesterday, Sven's messing with the defence, Bruma being a liability etc... and you'll see, overwhelmingly really, that my posts reflect current feeling

I'm not a football manager so I can't 'put my money where my mouth is'? What I can do is not simply kiss Sven's arse when I'm worried that we're starting to get worse, not better... to do so is simply to be blind to facts. We may still go up, and if we do, I'll be over the fookin moon.. but our inconsistency is worrying

[Nick]

hehe fair enough.... same here

"I'm going to drink double G & T all night" seemed like a really good idea Col, until I woke up with a bad head and at least £100 down since 5pm yesterday...... ah well at least I get to watch the F1!

[Guest Col city fan]

"I'm going to drink double G & T all night" seemed like a really good idea Col, until I woke up with a bad head and at least £100 down since 5pm yesterday...... ah well at least I get to watch the F1!

Double G and T all night not wise mate, start with Lager then finish off with a couple of refreshing tall ones. Usually works better for me

[The Year Of The Fox]

Nick- its not been an amazing transitional season on the pitch has it??

Not as good as last season and as said on the previous page- all sven had to do was play the same players in the correct position as under pearson. The whole stands were moaning that sousa couldnt see that, when 20k odd of us could. Svens only come in and done what you or I could see what needed to be done.

An amazing transitional season would be if hodgson kept wba up- 7 games without defeat til yesterday. Not saving us from relegation in october

[FuriousFox46]

[shade]

off topic, but I noticed someone pointing towards bert as saying that fryatt sulked around. is that a bad thing, doesn't it show he cares that he has been dropped? also, why do you just assume bert is right, one mans sulking is another mans contemplating.

[Nick]

Nick- its not been an amazing transitional season on the pitch has it??

Not as good as last season and as said on the previous page- all sven had to do was play the same players in the correct position as under pearson. The whole stands were moaning that sousa couldnt see that, when 20k odd of us could. Svens only come in and done what you or I could see what needed to be done.

An amazing transitional season would be if hodgson kept wba up- 7 games without defeat til yesterday. Not saving us from relegation in october

Again, subjective.

Club sold to millionaire owners.

Man-dick leaves.

Sousa leaves us 20 points behind.

Sven signs.

Brings in some famous and young talent and some one touch football with his contact book and what was available to him at the time.

Team go on run and make up deficit have chance of making top six.

Meteoric rise but fall short at final hurdle? (That may well be due to agreements for getting players on loan from Chelsea and them playing together etc...... but that's part of the gamble, had it worked we'd be smiling)

Tell me again why I can't label the above as 'amazing' - I'm a glass is half full sort of guy and it just feels a bit like the 'I told you so brigade' with their footballing insight into our defensive frailties - "Hey no shit, you collective of Sherlock's" - may be there's a little more to it than simply keeping the team unchanged because they kept a clean sheet that day. Maybe Sven's hands are tied, maybe he should have played Vitor - Maybe he's not blind and is working under constraints and conditions?

Maybe we be grateful for what we have.

You're like the rich kids not winning sportsday, going home and blaming their Dads.

*Hands out valium to thread*

[MC Prussian]

There's a number of managers in the Championship that are better than Sven.

... who all have spent more time in this league and also had at least one entire pre-season.

[MC Prussian]

so u think they suffer do u , get real , loan players are loaned out because they cannot get a first team place , do u think they would be loaned out by their clubs if they were good ? and i`m sure all those suffering loan players we have will be smiling again when they get their massive wage packets,

So loan players are per se bad because they tend to be loaned out to other clubs?

You're funny (in an odd way).

EDIT: Brown Fox beat me to it.

[Corky]

all sven had to do was play the same players in the correct position as under pearson.

If only it was that simple.