Babylon Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 If he was still alive there would be a video on al-jazeera by now of him saying he's still alive, too Many people get sucked in by stupid half arsed conspiracies. The problem is the people spouting them have double standards. They will only accept concrete evidence from the powers that be (or at lest they say they would). But they are willing to accept rumour, half truths, twisted facts, debatable science etc from anyone who says what they want to hear. Until you judge both arguments using the same yardstick you aren't impartial.
MikeyT Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 Mercury Website: Religious leaders in Leicester have said that, while it would be inhuman to celebrate any death, they hoped the killing of Osama bin Laden meant people of all faiths could move forward. Suleman Nagdi, spokesperson for the Leicestershire Federation of Muslim Organisations, said that he hoped it would lead to more respect between Muslims and the world, but warned that al-Qaeda were far from gone. Bishop of Leicester, the Rt Rev Tim Stevens, said he hoped bin Laden's death would help people put the troubles of the past decade behind them. President Barack Obama announced yesterday that Osama bin Laden, the world's most wanted man, was killed during a US intelligence helicopter raid on his mansion in Pakistan in the Bilal area of Abbottabad, about 60 miles north of Pakistani capital Islamabad. The al-Qaeda leader is believed to have been responsible for the September 11 bombings in 2001, and the London bombings of July 7 2005. The Leicestershire Federation of Muslim Organisations is an umbrella group which represents the majority of mosques and community groups. Spokesman Suleman Nagdi said: "My first reaction of course was surprise – it has after all been many years since officials began trying to capture him. "The ideal situation would have been to take the higher moral ground and to try to bring him to trial. However, the ideal and reality are often very different. It is still unclear whether this would have been possible. "I think it is important to say that I feel it is inhuman to celebrate any death. "We now hope that the world's governments use this as a turning point and opens a new chapter of dialogue, mutual trust and respect between Muslims and the world. "But I do not think this is the end of al-Qaeda. Their ideology is still there. They are without their icon, but they are not gone. "We must be extra vigilant. There is no evidence to suggest that there are retaliation attacks planned, but we must be mindful of the chance." Bishop Tim said his overwhelming emotion was one of relief. He said: "I think it is difficult to ever take pleasure in any death, but I think quite honestly I felt a sense of relief, if it starts to help us put some of the difficulties of the last 10 years behind us, that would be good. "I am sure that all those who long for better relations between Muslims and the western world will be relieved at this development and we should all hope that it marks an end to the troubles that have flowed from 9/11. "I want to send good wishes to the Muslim community of Leicester as they seek to do everything to build good relations with the city. "My thoughts are with those who lost loved ones in the terrorist attacks of the last decade." Leicestershire families lost loved ones in the terrorist attacks. Roy Hudson, of Syston, lost his sister Joyce Smith, 55. She was a catering manager on the 105th floor of the World Trade Centre. Former Lutterworth High School pupil Karlie Rogers, 26, was at a conference on the 106th floor of the twin towers when they were hit. Gous Ali, a former chairman of Loughborough Council of Faiths, lost partner Neetu Jain in the explosion on the number 30 bus on July 7 2005.
Steven Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 The problem is the people spouting them have double standards. They will only accept concrete evidence from the powers that be (or at lest they say they would). But they are willing to accept rumour, half truths, twisted facts, debatable science etc from anyone who says what they want to hear. Until you judge both arguments using the same yardstick you aren't impartial. Just as you are being "impartial". Can we expect Navy Seals to drop in on this man shortly. Support for IRA Terrorism. It is this kind of double standard that makes me and other very suspicious.
Guest ttfn Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 If he was still alive there would be a video on al-jazeera by now of him saying he's still alive, too Many people get sucked in by stupid half arsed conspiracies. I'm sure the "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" video would have been made months ago anyway. Al-Qaeda will pretend he's alive for as long as possible.
Babylon Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 Just as you are being "impartial". Can we expect Navy Seals to drop in on this man shortly. Support for IRA Terrorism. It is this kind of double standard that makes me and other very suspicious. Comparing a nob head like that and Bin Laden? Hmmmm I think that's stretching it a bit.
breadandcheese Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 Comparing a nob head like that and Bin Laden? Hmmmm I think that's stretching it a bit. Well considering Steven believes there is a moral equivalence between Iranian "democracy" and the democratic system here in the UK, it's not really that much of a stretch. I see according to today's press, America are likely to release photos of Osama's dead body. I'll beat the queue and shout fake.
zubi Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 I frickin love The Arrivals. Some good info and thoughts in there for sure. That Imran Hosein guy is shit hot when he's talking about Dajjal and the time frames. Knows his stuff! Yeah it's very interesting, especially how they go into detail on how the media can influence the way we think and act. And of course how pagan traditions are still being used today in society today but we are so blind we overlook it. If you like Imran Hosein, and haven't seen it already, listen to Hamza Yusuf's talk about the Anti-christ on youtube. That was one of the most famous lectures around.
zubi Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 If he was still alive there would be a video on al-jazeera by now of him saying he's still alive, too Many people get sucked in by stupid half arsed conspiracies. The majority of people who believe this conspiracy believe OBL to have been an American puppet/former CIA agent. So if he was alive, he's probably sitting in CIA headquarters with a cup of coffee and a congratulatory cupcake and putting his feet up in his office he was just promoted in to.
MC Prussian Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 It's getting better by the day: Based on latest news, one of Bin Laden's daughters saw her father being taken away alive. http://www.agi.it/english-version/world/elenco-notizie/201105041134-cro-ren1030-bin_laden_daughter_claims_he_was_captured_alive_then_killed
Babylon Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 It's getting better by the day: Based on latest news, one of Bin Laden's daughters saw her father being taken away alive. http://www.agi.it/english-version/world/elenco-notizie/201105041134-cro-ren1030-bin_laden_daughter_claims_he_was_captured_alive_then_killed How can his daughter see him taken away alive when he has (according to the conspiracy brigade) been dead for years.
MC Prussian Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 Today Is Not a Day of Celebration for Me When my husband was killed on the morning of 9/11, television stations around the world ran split-screen video. They showed the buildings still burning juxtaposed against young Arabs celebrating in the streets. That disturbing vision left me incredulous; it was forever emblazoned on my psyche. Ten years later, now fully awake in the bright sunlight of the day, when I contemplate the definition of victory for our country when it comes to the death of Osama bin Laden, I can only think about the damage that has been done. I think about the thousands of lives lost -- American, Afghani, Iraqi. I know firsthand the sorrow those families have felt. I ponder how the billions -- maybe trillions -- of dollars could have been better spent. I remain alarmed about the continued expansion of absolute Executive power in the name of fighting this seemingly ongoing and never-ending "war on terror." I worry about the further erosion of our constitutional rights. I wonder when our troops will ever be called home. I know all too well, that thousands of young American men and women soldiers will never have the opportunity to return home. And of course, I fear reprisal. But more than anything, I cannot seem to remove the optics of the giddy, gleeful throngs of Americans who took to the streets celebrating in the early morning hours. And I don't want to see any ugly blood stained sheets as proof of death or justice. Nor do I want to think about bullet-ridden corpses being dumped into the sea. And it breaks my heart to witness young Americans cheer any death -- even the death of a horrible, evil, murderous person -- like it is some raucous tailgate party on a college campus. Why are we not somber? Where is the deeper, more meaningful reflection? Haven't we learned any lessons in ten years? Paid any attention along the way? Gained any valuable wisdom? Are we really better off? Can it ever be a true victory when so many don't even seem to comprehend the magnitude of what has been lost along the way? Or even what the future might hold? Was it all worth it? As my phone rings and the media looks toward me to give them their trite, warm soundbite of closure and elation, I have to be honest, today is not a day of celebration for me. http://www.huffingto...l?ref=fb&src=sp
Steven Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 For the sheeple out there Quite. "Don't tase me bro'". Exercising free speech is a reason to torture you.
mancunianfox Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 Well this thread didn't dissapoint when it comes to ill thought out conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theorists have yet to take into consideration the risk that such a high profile claim could, if proved wrong, bring down an entire government. No administration is going to take that risk unless absolutely 100% positively sure. There are two reasons this is gathering steam: a morbid curiosity to see images of the body and an attempt by the more radical elements of America's looney toon right wing to limit the positive impact the news will have on the publics opinion of the current administration.
Steven Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 There would be no conspiracy theories if Governments told the truth and allowed the full truth about any given incident it stop any questions in their tracks. Failure to do so looks like a cover up. As evidence I give you the "Magic Bullet" theory and WTC 7.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 The new stance is that Bin Laden was "Unarmed, but a clear threat." I didn't know Osama was a ninja!
zubi Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 Well this thread didn't dissapoint when it comes to ill thought out conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theorists have yet to take into consideration the risk that such a high profile claim could, if proved wrong, bring down an entire government. No administration is going to take that risk unless absolutely 100% positively sure. There are two reasons this is gathering steam: a morbid curiosity to see images of the body and an attempt by the more radical elements of America's looney toon right wing to limit the positive impact the news will have on the publics opinion of the current administration. If governments didn't take risks to carry out false flag operations, they wouldn't be able to invade other countries and take their oil and other resources.
mancunianfox Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 There would be no conspiracy theories if Governments told the truth and allowed the full truth about any given incident it stop any questions in their tracks. Failure to do so looks like a cover up. As evidence I give you the "Magic Bullet" theory and WTC 7. Unfortunately that is not always possible and is basic human nature. I don't believe any poster on here has never omitted details of an event or distorted truth in order to protect either themselves or somebody else. Things are never black and white and ten people could all perceive the same event in a different way.This is basic human nature. Besides many conspiracy theories persist despite the overwhelming amount of evidence to support that an event was reported correctly e.g. the Apollo missions.
zubi Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 The new stance is that Bin Laden was "Unarmed, but a clear threat." I didn't know Osama was a ninja! true, Apparantly he was offering physical resistance... He must be one hell of a beast if the best spec ops forces in the world couldn't wrestle him into submission.
mancunianfox Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 If governments didn't take risks to carry out false flag operations, they wouldn't be able to invade other countries and take their oil and other resources. Agreed, but then I didn't say governments didn't take risks in my original post
Webbo Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 If governments didn't take risks to carry out false flag operations, they wouldn't be able to invade other countries and take their oil and other resources. and what resources are there in Afghanistan?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 Has anyone else noticed that Zingari hasn't posted since Osama was shot?
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