BoneDog Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 Yeah, plane fuel is incredibly ****ing volatile and will burn with even the slightest spark, hence the massive explosion when the plane crashed into the tower, it's not unlikely that the fuel flowed down through floorboards, elevator shafts, down stairs etc. towards the basement and ended up catching a slight spark down there and blowing the **** up. That plane fuel burned off very quickly and most of it burned off outside the building - that's what the massive fireballs were - jet fuel. Have you heard what the actual people who were in the basement said about that morning? The only guy with a key to the stairwells (think his job title was janitor) was down there and has talked many times about it. If you two are actually suggesting that the CIA/FBI or whoever else planted bombs at the base of the towers, then rigged a plane crash to disguise the bomb explosions then you really need to step away from youtube and stop trying to find a conspiracy for every major event that's happened. The CIA/FBI had links to the last bombing at the WTC basement in the early 90's so what makes you think they couldn't be involved this time? And we're obviously not talking about the CIA or FBI as a whole, just very small rogue elements from the very top to bottom.
BoneDog Posted 4 May 2011 Posted 4 May 2011 Edit: Please don't make me post more youtube videos on this! I already have lost enough credability Don't worry about people scoffing at videos! There is some very good information in alot of those videos, and for every 50 people who take the pee, there will be a few who take the time to watch and are interested
BoneDog Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 Thermate theory? There is a good possibility thermite was used. Two reasons point to this. The first is that thermite was found in samples of the dust. The second is that the steel was molten and burning at a very high temperature for weeks in the basement. I'm not architect but i reckon if you blew a ****ing massive hole into a skyscraper it would probably destroy supporting beams, and if the supporting beams have been destroyed then there's nothing to stop everything upwards of the impact zone being dragged downwards by gravity. You're right it would certainly damage supporting beams. But the building would start to collapse slowly and certainly not straight down into itself at free-fall speed. It would be going off to the sides and all over the oche. Many architects have explained this. What has happened is that the people who created the official story have 'altered' physics just for this event. a massive ****-off explosion would destroy more than just the building it is in, destroying surrounding buildings and sending massive chunks of debris smashing into the building next door, smashing it down even if it did just survive the explosion itself. Take a good look at the video of WT7 falling. It is not collapsing because of damage. It is free-falling into it's own space which means that it was demolished professionally. And that means that the charges were already laid before the event. Ever heard the WTC workers talking about strange shutdowns of the buildings in the weeks running up to Sep 11th? Those unprecedented shutdowns that many WTC workers have mentioned, where there were many contractors going in and out doing building work in the walls? Dodgy as heck I'm telling thee! You'd of needed about 30,000 people in on it to achieve all the things these guys want you to believe. No they wouldn't. You would need less than 500. People in the military, in the FAA and other related works have questioned events that day. You only need the few at the top to be involved - people like the guy who gave the order to keep all the Air Force grounded for example.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 Take a good look at the video of WT7 falling. It is not collapsing because of damage. It is free-falling into it's own space which means that it was demolished professionally. And that means that the charges were already laid before the event. Ever heard the WTC workers talking about strange shutdowns of the buildings in the weeks running up to Sep 11th? Those unprecedented shutdowns that many WTC workers have mentioned, where there were many contractors going in and out doing building work in the walls? Dodgy as heck I'm telling thee! Have you ever worked in an large Office tower? I have an i can tell you it's not uncommon for contractors and maintance men working all year round.
Fox You Forest Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 Get some sleep Empty, don't want you ending up like mad Joe out of Eastenders way back when, blocking all the sunlight out and taping all the cracks around the doors and windows up.
ajthefox Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 There is a good possibility thermite was used. Two reasons point to this. The first is that thermite was found in samples of the dust. The second is that the steel was molten and burning at a very high temperature for weeks in the basement. You're right it would certainly damage supporting beams. But the building would start to collapse slowly and certainly not straight down into itself at free-fall speed. It would be going off to the sides and all over the oche. Many architects have explained this. What has happened is that the people who created the official story have 'altered' physics just for this event. Take a good look at the video of WT7 falling. It is not collapsing because of damage. It is free-falling into it's own space which means that it was demolished professionally. And that means that the charges were already laid before the event. Ever heard the WTC workers talking about strange shutdowns of the buildings in the weeks running up to Sep 11th? Those unprecedented shutdowns that many WTC workers have mentioned, where there were many contractors going in and out doing building work in the walls? Dodgy as heck I'm telling thee! No they wouldn't. You would need less than 500. People in the military, in the FAA and other related works have questioned events that day. You only need the few at the top to be involved - people like the guy who gave the order to keep all the Air Force grounded for example. Where's your proof for the thermite? How do you know what you do about the Steel? Who are these architects? Why were they even asking architects when engineers know a hell of a lot more than architects do on structure? (Not knocking architects, I'm actually part way through an architecture degree now) Who 'created' the official story? How is it even possible to 'create' an official story when what happened is free to observe whether it be the real cause or not? Who are you to say it's not collapsing because of damage? Are you a demolition expert? Who are these WTC experts? Is it not possible that in a building 110 stories high that there may well be a few unprecedented problems every now and again? And as Socceroo said, contractors in a building, again of such size, does that really have any weighting to it? Before you go off on one Empty, I couldn't give a fvck about the answers. For every question I've posed I'm sure you have some 'evidence' or some kind of rebuttal and for everything you say, I'm sure there is someone, somewhere who can counter what you've said. There will always be those who go completely against the media because they want to, there will always be a majority who blindly follow anything they read and there will always be cynics and skeptics. But the thing there will never be is enough evidence to convince every person on the planet, so really why even bother wasting hours arguing over all of this? The cold hold facts are that thousands of innocent people died that day. I'm a bit of a cynic and I know full well the Americans and ourselves (Well, the forces) are responsible for many innocent deaths all over the world, not least in Iraq and Afghanistan and for questionable reasons, but I really can't believe that the US could do such a disgusting thing as to what you are suggesting just so they had a scapegoat. Cast aside your conspiracies for a minute, and have a long hard think about what, if all of your theories hold water, you are saying happened on September 11th 2001. Each to their own but if you genuinely believe that happened, then with all due respect I'm fvcking glad I don't think how you do. The day you're ever proven right and you get the hollow victory that you would probably enjoy will be a very grim one, that's for sure.
BoneDog Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 Course they do silly me. There is me thinking a crack head breaking in to Rob him would surfice, when what it really needed was a big **** off shoot out on the front lawn. Question for El Empty: Of the conspiracy theories you bring up on here, what percentage do you think are true? 100? I'm just wondering because I find conspiracy theories fascinating, often if only to laugh at. I'd say I believe none of them, although I could see why people do believe them. I guess my point is that I understand why you'd want to spread such messages - it's crucial that you challenge what you're told to accept. But is it just that or do you genuinely believe that these conspiracy theories are true/more likely to be true than the official version of events. JFK? 9/11? Osama? Real/Barca? All real? I definitely don't believe in most conspiracy stuff I hear or read about, you wouldn't believe the amount of crap I sometimes sift through! So it'd be nowhere near 100%, probably about 5 or 10% maximum. There are alot of shills and disinfo agents (and complete loons of course) out there who are flooding the world with bullshine. Here's a little rundown of a few things in the conspiracy field I do believe or am at least interested in. I honestly 100% think that the official stories for JFK and 9/11 are complete baloney and that one day we will all know the truth. Another thing that interests me is the fact that a fair amount of assassinations of influential people are very dodgy and there are always more of those popping up to look into! The top levels of the scientific world across many fields are very dark and you wouldn't believe how many of those folk go missing or die in mysterious circumstances, so that's an interesting one to research. Also, I look into a tiny amount of military stuff and some stuff to do with NASA. They are really the main things in the conspiracy world I take any time mulling over! Not sure if I've answered what you asked but I'm getting tired, I've been typing on FT since I got home. My Mrs is fricking fumin!
BoneDog Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 Have you ever worked in an large Office tower? I have an i can tell you it's not uncommon for contractors and maintance men working all year round. No I haven't, but the people who worked in the upper levels of the WTC who I've heard speak about it, said that there were unprecedented power shutdowns and office closures. These power shutdowns the weekend before 9/11 were very important and fishy and never done before. The financial businesses were not happy about it because it caused them no end of problems. The cctv was also turned off so noone would have seen what work was carried out. I'll try and post a video of one guy who was a director of a firm above where one plane hit and he got out. He has alot to say about this and seems to know what he's talking about. Get some sleep Empty, don't want you ending up like mad Joe out of Eastenders way back when, blocking all the sunlight out and taping all the cracks around the doors and windows up. I'll be up til about 4 now and am up at 7.30. Last night in here I fell asleep in front of my screen for about 2 hours. My Mrs is not happy since the news of Laden came through 'cos she says I've largely been ignoring her!
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 I'll be up til about 4 now and am up at 7.30. Last night in here I fell asleep in front of my screen for about 2 hours. My Mrs is not happy since the news of Laden came through 'cos she says I've largely been ignoring her! Why do you care so much? How has him dieing changed your everday life over the course of the week?
BoneDog Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 1. Where's your proof for the thermite? 2. Who are these architects? 3. Why were they even asking architects when engineers know a hell of a lot more than architects do on structure? 4. Who 'created' the official story? 5. Who are you to say it's not collapsing because of damage? 6. Are you a demolition expert? 1. The masses of molten steel in the basement that continued to burn for weeks after the collapse is pretty good proof. What else could have caused the masses of molten steel? It certainly wasn't the jet fuel that burned off in a few minutes. And it wasn't the fire that remained that was kicking off black smoke. Black smoke means that it is a low temperature fire and a thousand or so degrees too cool to even start melting steel. Scientific fact. 2. 1,492 of them are here - Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth 3. See number 2 link 4. I don't know. The perpetrators of the crime most likely. 5. If it collapsed because of damage it would have collapsed in a totally different way. How that would have been is probably explained by the architects and engineers in the above link. 6. Definitely not! But I have listened to quite a few demolition experts from all around the world talk about the whole WTC business. The day you're ever proven right and you get the hollow victory that you would probably enjoy will be a very grim one, that's for sure. I won't enjoy anything like that. I don't look into this stuff so that one day I can say 'I told you so' or anything like that. Why do you care so much? How has him dieing changed your everday life over the course of the week? Not sure why I think about it so much to be honest. Probably just can't ignore it because of how important it and all the connected stuff is. The only way it has changed my everyday life is me spending hours in this thread and winding up my Mrs!
Steven Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 There would be no conspiracy theories if Governments told the truth and allowed the full truth about any given incident it stop any questions in their tracks. Failure to do so looks like a cover up. As evidence I give you the "Magic Bullet" theory and WTC 7. This goes a along way to proving my point. No release of Bin Laden photosPresident Barack Obama has decided that photos of the dead Osama Bin Laden should not be released. US officials had been discussing whether to publish pictures of Bin Laden's body to counter conspiracy theories that he did not die. But Mr Obama believed the images could inflame sensitivities, saying: "We don't trot out this stuff as trophies." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13287977 In other words he is happy to encourage conspiracy theories.
StanSP Posted 5 May 2011 Author Posted 5 May 2011 The following link has pictures which are NSFW and not for the faint-hearted! http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/may/04/osama-bin-laden-compound?picture=374256192#/?picture=374256182&index=8
Steven Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 Remember how we were told that the President was watching the raid via a live video link? Well........ The horse hockey just builds up. Osama bin Laden dead: Blackout during raid on bin Laden compound The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events.
MPH Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 Remember how we were told that the President was watching the raid via a live video link? Well........ The horse hockey just builds up. Osama bin Laden dead: Blackout during raid on bin Laden compound The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events. best part of that story was Mr Panetta also told the network that the US Navy Seals made the final decision to kill bin Laden rather than the president. Some people would of chosen the president it seems....
BoneDog Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 Remember how we were told that the President was watching the raid via a live video link? Well........ The horse hockey just builds up. Osama bin Laden dead: Blackout during raid on bin Laden compound The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events. Very good point. We were told, and the White House released photos of everyone in the 'storm room' watching the events LIVE - in real time, that Obama and the top folk in the administration were watching the event. And yet the story of what actually happened has changed about six times already. They're making it up as they go along and now it turns out that the photos of them watching in the 'storm room' are a load of crap. Here's a comment from elsewhere about this : "The key word is 'narrative'. The MSM is scrambling to adjust to the 'changing narrative'...which means the story they put out initially is completely different than what they're saying now. It's already changed from only his wife being in the room to a roomful of kids and also the reports that there was no phone or internet access, yet he has FIVE hard drives and numerous laptops. IF THEY WERE WATCHING THE MISSION 'LIVE'....THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE NARRATIVE. THEY WOULD HAVE KNOWN IMMEDIATELY HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN THE ROOM. PERIOD. "
Steven Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 The killing of Osama bin Laden: how the White House changed its story Bin Laden not armed and did not use woman as human shield, US admits; Barack Obama's spokesman blames 'fog of war' If Governments do not tell the truth you have to expect conspiracy theories.
Simmo86 Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 The following link has pictures which are NSFW and not for the faint-hearted! http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/may/04/osama-bin-laden-compound?picture=374256192#/?picture=374256182&index=8 Some pretty ****ed up photos there! WTF is the helicopter all about?
breadandcheese Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 El Empty, how does molten steel burn? You've mentioned it twice now from your 9/11 conspiracies, that it burnt for weeks. I'm interested as to how molten steel can alight into flames. Also, you then mention that this molten steel continued to burn for weeks? Again, how exactly? For molten steel to remain molten implies that there was a constant flow of energy in the form of heat to keep the metal above its melting point. This would require a lot of melting equipment, which I don't remember anybody mentioning.
samlcfc Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 Some pretty ****ed up photos there! WTF is the helicopter all about? It malfunctioned during the attack and had to be crash landed. They burn them when they leave them behind to stop anyone else getting there hands on it
Guest Bilo Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 *awaits claims of videos being made by neo-con space lizards*
Simmo86 Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 It malfunctioned during the attack and had to be crash landed. They burn them when they leave them behind to stop anyone else getting there hands on it Ahh thanks, haven't read that anywhere
Leicester_Loyal Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 He's still alive. Bullshit. If he was, why doesn't he just release a video? Then all of the world can see America lied and no-one would ever trust them again.
Zingari Posted 5 May 2011 Posted 5 May 2011 *awaits claims of videos being made by neo-con space lizards* So basically what this guy is saying is that it is very easy to bring down steel structured buildings symetrically into their own footprint using only low temperature fossil fuel fires in less than an hour ? I 'd fookin well like to see him do it , he could make a fortune bringing down buildings using those methods without the need for weeks of planning and setting explosive charges , and paying expert demolition teams etc Watch the first video again and in the graphic reconstruction ( approx 50 secs in ) the core of the building in this so called "pancake effect" does not move , ( they can't even get that bit right ), so how come this steel core was not visible after the WTC Towers collapsed . you've seen plenty of film footage of the collapses , where are the 47 steel columns still projecting into the air during the collapse ? ) BTW not even NIST believe the pancake theory anymore so i don't know why anyone is still banging on about this crap Sorry but this i'll continue to believe this is absolute laughable crap unless someone does this to a building using only uncontrolled random fires anyone out there wish to take up up the challenge ? now don't all rush at once please ,
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