Phube's Arsenal Bashing Thread

[Phube]

Which doesn't make his comment an ounce more appropriate. Personally I just find it a weird and ill-advised expression.

But we all use such expressions for football.

"Beaten, slaughtered, murdered, massacred, whipped, turned inside out" All nasty terms.

They are just metaphors. Yes the Holocaust was a specific event. But if you're going to be sensitive. It's just like someone who survived a non-named massacre getting upset by the term... they may have the right, but should we stop using the term to mean comprehensively beaten?

[shen]

But we all use such expressions for football.

"Beaten, slaughtered, murdered, massacred, whipped, turned inside out" All nasty terms.

They are just metaphors. Yes the Holocaust was a specific event. But if you're going to be sensitive. It's just like someone who survived a non-named massacre getting upset by the term... they may have the right, but should we stop using the term to mean comprehensively beaten?

I don't disagree. Shades of grey and all that. But anyone with common sense should understand that it may cause offense.

[AjcW]

Benayoun !!!!!!

[HEGGSY]

If you mean to say arsenal have signed benayoun then

[Guest Bilo]

Not a terrible signing but Arsenal do need to show much more ambition than Benayoun, squad player at best in a CL chasing squad. He'd be good for a mid-table side though.

[leicesterisme]

According to Fourth Official they've just signed Andre Santos from Fenerbache for 7 Million Euros.

[THFC6061]

A bloke is walking down the street in Islington when he sees an Arsenal season ticket nailed to a tree.

He says "I'll have that... you can never have too many nails".

[HEGGSY]

A bloke is walking down the street in Islington when he sees an Arsenal season ticket nailed to a tree.

He says "I'll have that... you can never have too many nails".

[Guest shearfox]

A bloke is walking down the street in Islington when he sees an Arsenal season ticket nailed to a tree.

He says "I'll have that... you can never have too many nails".

quality

[Charl91]

PS The Holocaust didn't only kill Jews - trade unionists, homosexuals, disabled people and the mentally ill were all slaughtered by the Nazis too.

Well technically it did, as (at least historically) the Holocaust only refers to the killing of the Jews.

/End being a dick

Maybe a bit thoughtless, but not really a sackable offense....

[ramboacdc]

right im sorting this out.

hol·o·caustNoun/ˈhäləˌkôst/

1. Destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, esp. caused by fire or nuclear war: "a nuclear holocaust

he didnt say "he is having THE holocaust"

The mass murder of Jews under the German Nazi regime during the period 1941–45. More than 6 million European Jews, as well as members of other persecuted groups, such as gypsies and homosexuals, were murdered at concentration camps such as Auschwitz

[iBleedLeicesterColours]

Per Mertesacker is an interesting signing.

He isn't all that great as a footballer on the deck. However, he brings much needed height & experience at the back.

Man U have - Jones Smalling Ferdinand & Vidic. Chelsea have - Luiz Terry Alex Ivanovic as their CB's. Arsenal started with Djourou & Koscielny and have Squillaci & Vermaelen. How Wenger couldn't see the need to bolster his backline in the summer I don't know.

[shen]

The injuries at Arsenal obscene. All the horror (for them) of the transfer window only to be greeted with news that Wilshere will be out for even longer and now Vermaelen who's out for a month. They only need an injury to RVP and they'll struggle to stay out of the bottom half! I don't know what the players are fed, but they're seemingly more fragile than WTC 7 !!

[Toffee_Fox]

Can't stand them, their fans are so deluded its unreal.

However I now hope they win the league for Mikky.

[shen]

Can't stand them, their fans are so deluded its unreal.

However I now hope they win the league for Mikky.

Why are you so fond of him yet scornful of Rooney and Lescott?

[FoxyPV]

Recovering from an injury at Arsenal takes so much longer than recovering from an injury anywhere.

Their medical team must consist of school nurse dishing out strepsils!

[Toffee_Fox]

Why are you so fond of him yet scornful of Rooney and Lescott?

Is that a serious question?

Arteta was here for eight seasons, captain for a few of them, was adored by the fans and the fans adored him, he put 100% into every game and since leaving has been in tears on interviews praising Everton and his "family", he didn't want to leave but was sold by the club to balance the books - See the quote in my signature.

Joleon Lescott was at the club three seasons, When Manchester City made their interest known he refused to turn up to training, refused to play and when he did play quite frankly he didn't want to be there, he sulked and begged City in the press to buy him, considering he was an absolute nobody when Everton signed him, you think he'd have a little respect.

Wayne Rooney, well the less said on him the better, the boyhood Everton fan who only spent two seasons at the club he made his whole career, the one who went on "strike" and refused to play meaning we had to sell him on deadline day, whilst the season before we finished 17th (the year you went down) and two main players had already left, he then forced through a move, what type of "fan" is that? not to mention the fact he kisses Manchester United's badge every time we play them, slagged off Everton and David Moyes in his book,

[Freeman's Wharfer]

Is that a serious question?

Arteta was here for eight seasons, captain for a few of them, was adored by the fans and the fans adored him, he put 100% into every game and since leaving has been in tears on interviews praising Everton and his "family", he didn't want to leave but was sold by the club to balance the books - See the quote in my signature.

Joleon Lescott was at the club three seasons, When Manchester City made their interest known he refused to turn up to training, refused to play and when he did play quite frankly he didn't want to be there, he sulked and begged City in the press to buy him, considering he was an absolute nobody when Everton signed him, you think he'd have a little respect.

Wayne Rooney, well the less said on him the better, the boyhood Everton fan who only spent two seasons at the club he made his whole career, the one who went on "strike" and refused to play meaning we had to sell him on deadline day, whilst the season before we finished 17th (the year you went down) and two main players had already left, he then forced through a move, what type of "fan" is that? not to mention the fact he kisses Manchester United's badge every time we play them, slagged off Everton and David Moyes in his book,

I've never understood the Rooney hatred from Everton fans. Of course he's 'always a Blue', maybe not as much as he once was after all the stick he's been given but you don't support a club for the majority of your life then just stop caring. Maybe he does give stick back and kiss the badge etc. when he plays against Everton for United now but he's never been the smartest and it's probably just his way of not being able to deal maturely with all of the stick he gets from the club he supported as a kid.

It seems to me that he has been crucified in hindsight for a shirt he wore in a youth game, before probably even he could envisage what would unfold for him. He was great for Everton when he broke through, I can remember us being 2-1 up at Goodison our last season in the Prem and he came on and single-handedly turned it into a 3-2 win for them for starters. He had to move on, Everton were never going to be big enough for him to fulfill his potential and the money they got for him went a long way.

I mean what was the lad meant to do? As you said you finished 17th the year before. Was he meant to sacrifice a career of challenging for the top honours and accolades to play a part in Everton's relegation fights every year?

It's a horrible scenario for anyone: imagine one of us on here (mainly LCFC fans) broke through at LCFC and clearly had the potential to be world class. We loved the club and were proud to let everyone know that, we had an incredible start to our career scoring important goals for Leicester to help them stay up, and then some of the biggest clubs in the world came in for us. We know LCFC would get a shed load of money for us and that this was the chance for us to make it big. So we push to leave and are all of a sudden despised by the fans of the club we love who bring up a shirt we wore aged 15/16 to question our support of the club.

I'm not Rooney's biggest fan but I've always felt for him with the stick he gets when going back to Everton. I don't see Arteta as any better, guzzle up his talk all you like. But talk is cheap. Who knows that he wouldn't have reacted the same had Arsenal come in 4,5,6 years ago? Everton need him now more than ever and the minute Arsenal came in he jumped ship.

[Toffee_Fox]

I've never understood the Rooney hatred from Everton fans. Of course he's 'always a Blue', maybe not as much as he once was after all the stick he's been given but you don't support a club for the majority of your life then just stop caring. Maybe he does give stick back and kiss the badge etc. when he plays against Everton for United now but he's never been the smartest and it's probably just his way of not being able to deal maturely with all of the stick he gets from the club he supported as a kid.

It seems to me that he has been crucified in hindsight for a shirt he wore in a youth game, before probably even he could envisage what would unfold for him. He was great for Everton when he broke through, I can remember us being 2-1 up at Goodison our last season in the Prem and he came on and single-handedly turned it into a 3-2 win for them for starters. He had to move on, Everton were never going to be big enough for him to fulfill his potential and the money they got for him went a long way.

I mean what was the lad meant to do? As you said you finished 17th the year before. Was he meant to sacrifice a career of challenging for the top honours and accolades to play a part in Everton's relegation fights every year?

It's a horrible scenario for anyone: imagine one of us on here (mainly LCFC fans) broke through at LCFC and clearly had the potential to be world class. We loved the club and were proud to let everyone know that, we had an incredible start to our career scoring important goals for Leicester to help them stay up, and then some of the biggest clubs in the world came in for us. We know LCFC would get a shed load of money for us and that this was the chance for us to make it big. So we push to leave and are all of a sudden despised by the fans of the club we love who bring up a shirt we wore aged 15/16 to question our support of the club.

I'm not Rooney's biggest fan but I've always felt for him with the stick he gets when going back to Everton. I don't see Arteta as any better, guzzle up his talk all you like. But talk is cheap. Who knows that he wouldn't have reacted the same had Arsenal come in 4,5,6 years ago? Everton need him now more than ever and the minute Arsenal came in he jumped ship.

Like you said, you don't understand.

Arteta didn't jump ship, he was told to go.

[Freeman's Wharfer]

Like you said, you don't understand.

Arteta didn't jump ship, he was told to go.

Don't want to start an argument or anything, I might genuinely be missing something, but originally you said about Rooney "the less said the better" so didn't really explain why he's hated. I've just written quite a bit about Rooney and how I don't understand the stick, and you've picked up on one sentence about Arteta! I'd be genuinely interested to hear from you why Rooney gets all the stick and your thoughts on my response to it all.

i.e. I'd genuinely be interested to be helped to understand

[Houdini Logic]

[Toffee_Fox]

I'll help you understand....

1) The boy is supposed to be a boyhood Evertonian, he spent two seasons at Everton Football Club, you're saying he had to leave at 18? Did he really...? He just produced his best ever England form as an Everton player at the Euro's 2004, he was at the best stage in the Premier League, he would get a move in another 12 months.

2) You're forgetting the lad handed in a transfer request to go to Newcastle originally and went on strike because we wouldn't accept it, that really a huge step up from Everton? because they got relegated, something that hasn't happened to Everton for a long time...? Was it really ambition or was it the prospect of earning over £75,000...?

3) The lad went on strike, a club who produced him and did everything possible for him to become a star, how can a supposed boyhood Evertonian refuse to play for ... Everton...? What happened to his quotes about wanting to be at Everton "for life" and if it was "Manchester United, Real Madrid or Everton, it would be Everton every time" ...?

4) He left it till deadline day to ring up Everton and refuse to play again, forcing through a move to Manchester United ... on deadline day ... Everton had brought in Marcus Bent and the unknown Tim Cahill, selling their big players in order to free up the wages to offer Wayne Rooney a record breaking £55,000 a week contract, why did he not tell them he didn't want to stay and would force through a move to ambitious clubs like Newcastle to avoid Everton from selling then top goalscorer Tomasz Radzinksi?

5) He scored 16 goals for Everton, he at the time wasn't the player you're thinking he was, he in fact picked up more yellow cards but we kept the faith in playing him at such a young age.

6) He thanked Alex Ferguson for making his career, an absolute insult to Colin Harvey who was heart broken, he is now an old man who took Wayne under his wings, made him the player he was, got him into the first team and made his career, never publically has he thanked Everton, Colin Harvey or David Moyes for giving him a chance.

7) He slagged of both David Moyes & Everton Football Club in his book, saying they "told the press" about his prostitute affairs and that they forced him out of the club, what a supporter he is eh...?

8) He has kissed the badge on pretty much every occasion he has re-visted Goodison Park, stick or no stick, is that the action of a boyhood fan, is sprinting the length of the pitch at Old Trafford to celebrate in front of Everton fans a goal he didn't score needed?

A hero to Everton fans who have had absolutely nothing, he left the club staring relegation in the face to go to Newcastle United at 18 years of age to "further his career" he only just got the move to Manchester United on deadline day.

I'm not really sure how you can compare Wayne Rooney handing in a transfer request aged 18 after two seasons at the club to Mikel Arteta being sold to balance the books at the age of 29 after eight seasons at the club. One leaves the club and slags us off in his book, the other leaves and shows the most respect possible to both club and supporters.

We hate him so much, because we loved him so much, he was the only thing that gave us any hope at the time and he acted in such a disgraceful manner to those who made him the player he was as soon as he had the chance to leave.

[Soar Fox]

I'll help you understand....

1) The boy is supposed to be a boyhood Evertonian, he spent two seasons at Everton Football Club, you're saying he had to leave at 18? Did he really...? He just produced his best ever England form as an Everton player at the Euro's 2004, he was at the best stage in the Premier League, he would get a move in another 12 months.

2) You're forgetting the lad handed in a transfer request to go to Newcastle originally and went on strike because we wouldn't accept it, that really a huge step up from Everton? because they got relegated, something that hasn't happened to Everton for a long time...? Was it really ambition or was it the prospect of earning over £75,000...?

3) The lad went on strike, a club who produced him and did everything possible for him to become a star, how can a supposed boyhood Evertonian refuse to play for ... Everton...? What happened to his quotes about wanting to be at Everton "for life" and if it was "Manchester United, Real Madrid or Everton, it would be Everton every time" ...?

4) He left it till deadline day to ring up Everton and refuse to play again, forcing through a move to Manchester United ... on deadline day ... Everton had brought in Marcus Bent and the unknown Tim Cahill, selling their big players in order to free up the wages to offer Wayne Rooney a record breaking £55,000 a week contract, why did he not tell them he didn't want to stay and would force through a move to ambitious clubs like Newcastle to avoid Everton from selling then top goalscorer Tomasz Radzinksi?

5) He scored 16 goals for Everton, he at the time wasn't the player you're thinking he was, he in fact picked up more yellow cards but we kept the faith in playing him at such a young age.

6) He thanked Alex Ferguson for making his career, an absolute insult to Colin Harvey who was heart broken, he is now an old man who took Wayne under his wings, made him the player he was, got him into the first team and made his career, never publically has he thanked Everton, Colin Harvey or David Moyes for giving him a chance.

7) He slagged of both David Moyes & Everton Football Club in his book, saying they "told the press" about his prostitute affairs and that they forced him out of the club, what a supporter he is eh...?

8) He has kissed the badge on pretty much every occasion he has re-visted Goodison Park, stick or no stick, is that the action of a boyhood fan, is sprinting the length of the pitch at Old Trafford to celebrate in front of Everton fans a goal he didn't score needed?

A hero to Everton fans who have had absolutely nothing, he left the club staring relegation in the face to go to Newcastle United at 18 years of age to "further his career" he only just got the move to Manchester United on deadline day.

I'm not really sure how you can compare Wayne Rooney handing in a transfer request aged 18 after two seasons at the club to Mikel Arteta being sold to balance the books at the age of 29 after eight seasons at the club. One leaves the club and slags us off in his book, the other leaves and shows the most respect possible to both club and supporters.

We hate him so much, because we loved him so much, he was the only thing that gave us any hope at the time and he acted in such a disgraceful manner to those who made him the player he was as soon as he had the chance to leave.

Well said mate. For some reason people hate it when Rooney is criticised.

I'll never celebrate him scoring for England after how he slagged the fans of at last years world cup.

[Freeman's Wharfer]

I'll help you understand....

1) The boy is supposed to be a boyhood Evertonian, he spent two seasons at Everton Football Club, you're saying he had to leave at 18? Did he really...? He just produced his best ever England form as an Everton player at the Euro's 2004, he was at the best stage in the Premier League, he would get a move in another 12 months.

2) You're forgetting the lad handed in a transfer request to go to Newcastle originally and went on strike because we wouldn't accept it, that really a huge step up from Everton? because they got relegated, something that hasn't happened to Everton for a long time...? Was it really ambition or was it the prospect of earning over £75,000...?

3) The lad went on strike, a club who produced him and did everything possible for him to become a star, how can a supposed boyhood Evertonian refuse to play for ... Everton...? What happened to his quotes about wanting to be at Everton "for life" and if it was "Manchester United, Real Madrid or Everton, it would be Everton every time" ...?

4) He left it till deadline day to ring up Everton and refuse to play again, forcing through a move to Manchester United ... on deadline day ... Everton had brought in Marcus Bent and the unknown Tim Cahill, selling their big players in order to free up the wages to offer Wayne Rooney a record breaking £55,000 a week contract, why did he not tell them he didn't want to stay and would force through a move to ambitious clubs like Newcastle to avoid Everton from selling then top goalscorer Tomasz Radzinksi?

5) He scored 16 goals for Everton, he at the time wasn't the player you're thinking he was, he in fact picked up more yellow cards but we kept the faith in playing him at such a young age.

6) He thanked Alex Ferguson for making his career, an absolute insult to Colin Harvey who was heart broken, he is now an old man who took Wayne under his wings, made him the player he was, got him into the first team and made his career, never publically has he thanked Everton, Colin Harvey or David Moyes for giving him a chance.

7) He slagged of both David Moyes & Everton Football Club in his book, saying they "told the press" about his prostitute affairs and that they forced him out of the club, what a supporter he is eh...?

8) He has kissed the badge on pretty much every occasion he has re-visted Goodison Park, stick or no stick, is that the action of a boyhood fan, is sprinting the length of the pitch at Old Trafford to celebrate in front of Everton fans a goal he didn't score needed?

A hero to Everton fans who have had absolutely nothing, he left the club staring relegation in the face to go to Newcastle United at 18 years of age to "further his career" he only just got the move to Manchester United on deadline day.

I'm not really sure how you can compare Wayne Rooney handing in a transfer request aged 18 after two seasons at the club to Mikel Arteta being sold to balance the books at the age of 29 after eight seasons at the club. One leaves the club and slags us off in his book, the other leaves and shows the most respect possible to both club and supporters.

We hate him so much, because we loved him so much, he was the only thing that gave us any hope at the time and he acted in such a disgraceful manner to those who made him the player he was as soon as he had the chance to leave.

I understand a little more now by your raising of a few points I (and probably many other non-Everton fans) didn't know, thanks. Number 6 & 7 primarily.

I can't say I agree with all of your points, number 5 in particular, because it was clear that he was like no other player that had broken through in England for a long time. Regardless of goals or bookings, it was still evident how much quality he had and he changed several games for you.

And I still can't fault him pushing for a move at the time he did. Like you say in point 1, he had just had a great Euro 2004, proving his ability at that level and no doubt wanting more of it through European football. Yes, Newcastle might not be a massive step up now, but at the time they had done fairly well and were spending a bit of money, certainly doing better and showing more ambition than Everton. Besides, most of the speculation had been regarding Chelsea (for quite some time) and I think in Rooney's eyes even if he had gone to Newcastle it would have only been as a stepping stone to one of the really top teams.

I think for number 6 it's harsh to bring up quotes from him at the age he was. It's the same with the shirt worn in the youth game as I said before. He can't have known how things would pan out for him. How about Everton fans give him a bit of credit for the passion and enthusiasm he showed for Everton? Not using it as a stick to beat him with just because he's now moved on. Even the most deluded of Everton fans must be able to look at Rooney now and know that he wouldn't have been able to stay forever. Do you genuinely believe that all of that love and feeling he had for your club would have disappeared had he not been given the stick? And wasn't there something sprayed on a wall shortly after he left that set a precedent for how he would be treated?

Maybe he didn't go about things the best way as a 16/17 year old or whatever he was at the time, and maybe he hasn't reacted as well as he could have to all the stick since but I'm sure he must feel it didn't all end as well as it might have done.

I suppose part of me not being able to understand it is down to me drawing comparisons with LCFC and Heskey. He was clearly ready to move on although the club wasn't too far behind him at that stage in terms of ambition(plans for a new stadium, European football). He wouldn't sign a new contract, but it was all done amicably and we had to accept that he needed to move on to a higher level that we couldn't quite provide. Now we're in a situation where we got £11million for him, he's a LCFC legend for what he did, he loves the club and it looks very likely that having gone on to earn his millions and achieve what he has, he'll end his career back at Leicester. I just think it's a shame that the same could never happen with Rooney and Everton.

[Toffee_Fox]

We (the fans), Colin Harvey, David Moyes, Bill Kenwright, the coaches, his team-mates all begged him to stay for one more year and help us, should we really be begging an Evertonian?

He asked for a transfer request and would only sign a new contract if it had a release clause of £18million in it...? Talk about a stab in the back, he was worth double that and still to this day I think we got ripped off.

Yes on the walls was painted "Could have been a god, but chose to be a devil" and "Judas Rooney" this is modern football, that happens.

He was "one of ours" we'd seen all our youth stars sod off at the first chance of asking, this time we had an Evertonian, someone to rival them lot over the park with their Gerrard fetish.

He will never, ever be forgiven for what he did by our supporters, hes banned from Goodison Park as a fan I believe for the lies he printed in his book so he wont be returning, he tried to sit with us at the FA Cup final in 2009 after a few weeks previous saying he hoped we suffered defeat against Manchester United in the semi-final and that our return to Merseyside was a miserable one, did he have to say anything at all?

Notice a pattern with the shirts...all different seasons... he is the sole reason as to why Everton vs Man United is now a grade A police match therefore has to be 12pm kick off.

Or if you'd like to see what makes him react ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVlSsxNZgg0

and you wonder why we dislike him...?