bovril Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 Yes. Especially if I was employed to do it. Fair enough. I couldn't.
Merging Cultures Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 Would you be prepared to flick the switch yourself? I was thinking about something similar the other day, while watching Skyfall. Could I kill someone if I had impunity? I think I probably could. Especially if it was part of my job.
inckley fox Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 Agreed, i hope he is still alive by the time his eyes pop. That's the kind of mentality that made Christian vs. Lion a big hit a couple of thousand years ago. Clearly we haven't moved on as much as I'd hoped.
bovril Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 I was thinking about something similar the other day, while watching Skyfall. Could I kill someone if I had impunity? I think I probably could. Especially if it was part of my job. If this person was posing an immediate danger to others then maybe. Bit different when they're strapped to a chair and you know that they wouldn't be getting out of jail anyway.
Strokes Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 That's the kind of mentality that made Christian vs. Lion a big hit a couple of thousand years ago. Clearly we haven't moved on as much as I'd hoped.Im so glad you are better than all this, what a shame it is that you have to share a world with such neanderthals.If only looking down your nose at people was as powerful as execution.
Steven Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 Im so glad you are better than all this, what a shame it is that you have to share a world with such neanderthals. If only looking down your nose at people was as powerful as execution. I don't think it is anything to do with "looking down your nose" at someone. More of an expression of hope that the human race has some how progressed over the last 2000 years.
Strokes Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 I don't think it is anything to do with "looking down your nose" at someone. More of an expression of hope that the human race has some how progressed over the last 2000 years.oh dear fellow, its not me looking down my nose at you. Its just I cannot see how you have progressed as a human in the last 2000 years.You guys might like to share your empathy with a killer, I prefer to reserve my empathy for victims.
bovril Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 oh dear fellow, its not me looking down my nose at you. Its just I cannot see how you have progressed as a human in the last 2000 years. You guys might like to share your empathy with a killer, I prefer to reserve my empathy for victims. That's a pretty black & white view to take. You think because I oppose the death penalty I have more sympathy for the killer?
Grewks Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 Despite being far more technologically advanced than many world nations, it still amazes how underdeveloped American Society is.... But what do you expect? The quote that sums it up for me, was after one of the school shootings in recent years (cannot remember which one as it happens ridiculously often). "The only way to beat a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun". But that is what you get from a nation still as arrogant as ever, further portrayed by their interference in the Russian v Ukraine situation. (Not that i am saying Russia or Ukraine are correct in their actions, but it is an issue within Europe, and the US's interference is based on nothing but their own potential gain, they were not bothered about minor issues such as the Falkland Islands etc). In short, the US has the technological developments of many a western nation, but still sticks with a third world legal system.
Strokes Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 That's a pretty black & white view to take. You think because I oppose the death penalty I have more sympathy for the killer? I'm a regressive thinker what does my opinion matter?
Steven Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 "Do unto others and you would have them do unto you". I am strongly against the death penalty but Mr Jasper is a man with little or no redeeming features. oh dear fellow, its not me looking down my nose at you. Its just I cannot see how you have progressed as a human in the last 2000 years. You guys might like to share your empathy with a killer, I prefer to reserve my empathy for victims. I fail to see why you think I show empathy with Mr Jasper.
ADK Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 I don't really get why it takes them so long to kill people. It almost makes it seem more wrong.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 I don't really get why it takes them so long to kill people. It almost makes it seem more wrong. This has always seemed the most inhumane thing of all to me. How is it right that you can get 25 years in jail for murder and then you get let out and somebody else could get 25 years in jail and then executed?
Webbo Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 I don't really get why it takes them so long to kill people. It almost makes it seem more wrong. It takes so long because of all the appeals. If you're taking a man's life then you have to give him every chance to prove his innocence. I doubt if any of the convicted murderers would prefer it otherwise.
inckley fox Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 Im so glad you are better than all this, what a shame it is that you have to share a world with such neanderthals. If only looking down your nose at people was as powerful as execution. Well, yes, I'd like to think I was better than those who bayed for sinners' blood in Roman ampitheatres 2000 years ago, and those who wish for today's executed criminals to die the most spectacularly agonised death imaginable. And 'if only looking down your nose at people was as powerful as execution' - what does that even mean? What has it got to do with 'power'? Do you mean, literally, the power to take a life? Because no, looking down my nose at people isn't as effective a means of execution as the death penalty. Or are you suggesting that the death penalty has the power to instill order in this our lawless kingdom, while silly bloody apologists like me will literally let the bad guys run amok?
Webbo Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 Well, yes, I'd like to think I was better than those who bayed for sinners' blood in Roman ampitheatres 2000 years ago, and those who wish for today's executed criminals to die the most spectacularly agonised death imaginable. And 'if only looking down your nose at people was as powerful as execution' - what does that even mean? What has it got to do with 'power'? Do you mean, literally, the power to take a life? Because no, looking down my nose at people isn't as effective a means of execution as the death penalty. Or are you suggesting that the death penalty has the power to instill order in this our lawless kingdom, while silly bloody apologists like me will literally let the bad guys run amok? I think what he means is you don't have to be so snooty about it. There are valid arguments for and against the death penalty. Taking one position or another doesn't make you morally or intellectually superior.
marko Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 I don't know if people are interested, but I watched this the other week and found it very interesting. It's the former Commissioner of Corrections in Georgia and how after taking another persons life he's become an active opponent of the death penalty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8xrGCVrENk
Charl91 Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 I'm all for the Death Penalty. If I/we can kill innocent animals for food, or slaughter badgers to protect livestock, then I certainly have no qualms about killing scum like that. To me, his life is worth much less then that of an animal. I like how people think the Death Penalty is immoral, but locking someone up in solitary confinement for decades is morally fine.
Grewks Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 I'm all for the Death Penalty. If I/we can kill innocent animals for food, or slaughter badgers to protect livestock, then I certainly have no qualms about killing scum like that. To me, his life is worth much less then that of an animal. I like how people think the Death Penalty is immoral, but locking someone up in solitary confinement for decades is morally fine. Scum? No one knows whether he killed the policeman or not in reality.
Strokes Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 Scum? No one knows whether he killed the policeman or not in reality. You can call Millwall or Leeds fans scum but I draw the line at convicted murderers.....unbelievable.
Grewks Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 You can call Millwall or Leeds fans scum but I draw the line at convicted murderers.....unbelievable. If you seriously believe than conviction of a crime means the individual actually committed the crime then it appears society has brainwashed another individual.
Zingari Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 I keep changing my mind on the death penalty. as my ol' grandad used to say "come on lad , make your mind up, you'll never hang yourself, will you ?" seriously though , i'm the same , so maybe that's the best argument for not having the death penalty .
DennisNedry Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 For me, I can't really see a single convincing argument against the death penalty if it is done properly and efficiently.
Zingari Posted 9 March 2014 Posted 9 March 2014 For me, I can't really see a single convincing argument against the death penalty if it is done properly and efficiently. The "if" is one of those words that always throws it in to doubt though and i'm not sure we can ever trust either the police or courts to ever be fool proof or trustworthy i'm pretty sure Winston Silcott was portrayed as the nailed on murderer of PC Blakelock a few years back .
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