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Alexikokopops

The death penalty

By Alexikokopops, in General Chat

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acooling08

acooling08

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Before everyone starts talking about how many miscarriages of justice there must be of innocents wrongly executed, I think the REAL miscarriage of justice is when convicted murderers get out of prison after 15 years and kill again. That is more common and worse imo.

Dr The Singh

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Before everyone starts talking about how many miscarriages of justice there must be of innocents wrongly executed, I think the REAL miscarriage of justice is when convicted murderers get out of prison after 15 years and kill again. That is more common and worse imo.

The greatest miscariage of justice is allowing morons to come on the internet and spout shit and get away with it, time and time again!!!

Not saying your a moron, possibly a baffooon though!!!:thumbup:

sw_fox

sw_fox

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Before everyone starts talking about how many miscarriages of justice there must be of innocents wrongly executed, I think the REAL miscarriage of justice is when convicted murderers get out of prison after 15 years and kill again. That is more common and worse imo.

Give me an example from the last 10 years.........

acooling08

acooling08

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A rather simplistic conclusion.

If you put it in the context (of that particular state) of racial segregation, Jim Crow laws, lynchings, harsher sentences consistently passed down to African-Americans etc then I think it would be a safer bet to say that is NOT the case, and that it is due to the racism inherent in the system.

If you want another example of racism influencing the judicial process in America in recent times, you need look no further than the case of Duane Buck. Duane Buck is a convicted murderer, sentenced to death and it looks like it is a 'safe' conviction. However when it came to sentencing, the jury recommended the death penalty because of testimony of an expert witness who told the jury that because he was black he was more likely to re-offend, so therefore should have the death penalty. Therefore if he had been white then he would have most likely got a life term, not the death penalty. Buck's case is under review currently, however it is an example of how biased the system can be.

Or maybe Georgian African Americans live in the poorer inner city areas and actually commit more crime? How shocking :o

Alexikokopops

Alexikokopops

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Before everyone starts talking about how many miscarriages of justice there must be of innocents wrongly executed, I think the REAL miscarriage of justice is when convicted murderers get out of prison after 15 years and kill again. That is more common and worse imo.

I don't deny that is a bad thing. There are, however, more solutions to that than just the death penalty. Prison itself should at least attempt to rehabilitate people. Clearly there are either failings in that system, or by the people who are meant to judge whether someone is safe to be released, in cases like that.

As for the second part, surely a large proportion of cases of innocence leading to death will be unknown? The latter scenario (a previous killer being let out to kill again) is just much more obvious to spot in hindsight. Also, there are people are released and don't kill again. Unfortunately "RELEASED MURDERER DOESN'T KILL!" doesn't sell as many newspapers. I'd be interested to see the rates for murderers murdering again, just out of curiosity more than anything.

Houdini Logic

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I don't blame him, I think imminent execution is enough to put anyone off their last meal!

Pretty much, I think 'leaving his state funded meal' isn't going to be his most notorious crime

DANGEROUS TIGER

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The greatest miscariage of justice is allowing morons to come on the internet and spout shit and get away with it, time and time again!!!

Not saying your a moron, possibly a baffooon though!!!:thumbup:

Hmm. Errm. Cough, cough. Why are you posting on here then Doc? lol lol

potter3

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Doesn't it prove, for whatever reason, that you are more likely to commit murder if you are an 'African American'?

No, it doesn't.

Furthermore it does prove that you are more likely to be executed if you are African-American.

ajthefox

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No, it doesn't.

Furthermore it does prove that you are more likely to be executed if you are African-American.

I think Webbo post was more of a question for arguments sake than an actual assumption.

It proves nothing.

potter3

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How doesn't it? It doesn't suggest whether it's a miscarriage of justice or not, but there's no denying that having half the population on death row come from a minority group compromising just three tenths of the population indicates you are more likely to end up on death row if you are African-American.

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inckley fox

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http://gawker.com/a-letter-from-ray-jasper-who-is-about-to-be-executed-1536073598

 

Well worth a couple of minutes of your time. Even if you don't agree with his sentiments, it's powerful stuff.

 

I agree that it's very powerful. I don't know much about the case but I have very little sympathy for Jasper playing down his own role. This suggests that much of his articulate response has come from a decade and a half spent trying to explain, rather than repent or learn from, his crime. As I understand it he arranged the killing and slit the victim's throat, it just happens that the most decisive wound was inflicted by someone else. So that's not the sort of crime a repentant man should be playing down.

 

That said, there is some truth in what he says. There is an identity crisis in black culture and you can see it in people 'quoting L'il Wayne but not knowing who Garvey was'. But you can see the same sort of crisis in white culture, with people buying the Mail and calling for the foreigners to be sent home, but not really knowing about Britain's colonial past or, conversely, who Churchill and Attlee were and what they were ideologically opposed to, or that Churchill once suggested an Anglo-French state and a European Union. There's something massively ironic about someone waving a Union Jack bemoaning the 'foreigners and the gays' when the person responsible for it was gay himself and, at the time he became ruler, very much a foreigner.

 

I'm not sure setting up 'black only' history courses would help this. I think white people could benefit from knowing more about their history, and the history of other races too. And I think we could all learn a lot from looking into the truth behind our current social problems - and the connection between poverty and crime, rather than race and crime. But would any of this prevent someone from murdering a guy to sell off his studio equipment? It might mean we understand it better, or deal with it better, but Jasper's decision to kill had little to do with a 'black man's identity crisis'. And setting up segregated school courses may solve some of the problems he talks about, it would be counter-productive in encouraging people to look beyond the colour of the skin.

 

I agree with much of what he says about the death penalty. I understand any victim, or his/her family wanting to kill a violent criminal. I can understand those that go ahead and do it. But (even if we park to one side that separate argument that if one person can ever be killed for a crime they didn't commit, as is always the case with a death penalty, then there shouldn't be a death penalty for that reason alone) I think the credibility of any judicial system must depend on them being better than that. A government must be able to rise above the 'eye for an eye' mentality. To paraphrase Gandhi, and King, that just leaves us with a lot more blindness.

 

But I see no problem in black and white people being a little more blind to skin colour, and a little more awake to the absurd historical reasons for it having once been important, and to the key role that poverty plays in crime.

Steven

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I agree that it's very powerful. I don't know much about the case but I have very little sympathy for Jasper playing down his own role. This suggests that much of his articulate response has come from a decade and a half spent trying to explain, rather than repent or learn from, his crime. As I understand it he arranged the killing and slit the victim's throat, it just happens that the most decisive wound was inflicted by someone else. So that's not the sort of crime a repentant man should be playing down.

My feelings pretty much. :(

inckley fox

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"Do unto others and you would have them do unto you". I am strongly against the death penalty but Mr Jasper is a man with little or no redeeming features.

 

I don't know, he's used his time to learn about some of the causes for what he did. The conclusions he comes to might be the wrong ones, but he is knowledgeable of black culture and his argument is well-reasoned. I'm of the view that someone like him, while totally unfit for release, could have a voice that's worth hearing in a debate which needs to be had. Like I said before, my views are very different to his, but I learned something from his attempts to explain why he did what he did, why others do what they do, and why there's little going on in the penal system to address the real problem. It's part of a wider argument which the world has ducked for a long time, and if people like him can enrich that argument, then I'd suggest that this is at least one redeeming feature in an otherwise irredeemable individual. Enough not to kill him, at least.

 

But I think I know what you mean here. If there is a black and white 'good and bad' definition to be had, then he's a long way off being a good man.

Strokes

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At the end of the day he arranged a murder and slit a guys throat. Good riddance to scum :wave:

Agreed, i hope he is still alive by the time his eyes pop.
bovril

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At the end of the day he arranged a murder and slit a guys throat. Good riddance to scum  :wave:

 

Agreed, i hope he is still alive by the time his eyes pop.

 

Would you be prepared to flick the switch yourself?

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