Fmfox Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 it would be really unfair if Bamba doesnt play under pearson, he has been one of our stand out players this season and most of last, he has composure on the ball but can still hoof it when needed, is great in the air, faster than any striker he has played against, great at last ditch tackles and has his own song for a reason!
marbelladave Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 Beckford is a completely different player to what our style of play suits. Yes he's not been the best but he's showing the hunger and desire of what the fans want. We expect him to be a hold up player but he plays off the last man and to make him as effective as possible we need to start exploiting what he is good at and not have a go at what he's bad at! Quite right...... Given NFP's penchant for rather direct football, it is hard to see how we will get the best out of him...... Quite frankly, goal aside, he looked pretty lost on sunday, he needs to be played in with short passes around the box, this happened just twice on sunday and he scored one and narrowly missed the other. Most of the time he was required to chase long balls or try and win aerial battles against defenders twice his size, no wonder he often gets the hump.
LcFc_Smiv Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 Couldn't see one bad performance yesterday! Kasper did what he had to well, the kick from box to box which Beckford was unable to make any real contact with and the save on the line were superb. Peltier is still my man of the season so far, drifts out of position from time to time but he plays the full back position comfortably and does his job with ease, if he can improve his accuracy his crosses will be dangerous. Mills and StLedger for me had a great game, by all means it wasn't solid but it's fair to say Bamba will be working to get his place back, also noticed how much more comfortable StLedger looked alongside Mills, I like Bamba but I can understand why people are a little anxious when he's on the ball. Konchesky was superb, driving forwards on many occasions caused the Palace midfield and defence a lot of problems, his defending was quality against what seemed to be a more skilfull opposite player. All in all defence looked more solid than what we have seen in a while, dealt with almost everything comfortably, one or two issues to address but I can guarantee Pearson will be on that. Dyer was a little less productive than his usual self and to me looked quite unfit, wasn't willing to run with the ball and take on the opposition but showed those glimpses of quality from time to time, so glad to see him back on the left wing. King was tremendous for me, box to box all game, some fantastic defending, people say they didn't notice him creating or taking any chances, but what need was there for that when the rest of the team were doing so, he made some important challenges and really impressed. Wellens worked hard as always, no doubt in my mind that the midfield is stronger when he's involved, he breaks up attacks (theirs not our own) slows the opposition down and plays some fantastic passes. Noticed on a few occasions the distribution went a little wide but how many players finish a game making all there passes? On to Gallagher, two spectacular strikes worthy of winning any game, it's no doubt the lads got confidence back, still unsure on him going in to tackles he likes to try and flick it away and usually gets caught out, but thats just Gally, although he did make two tackles in the space of 20 seconds which I think deserves a round of applause. The midfield to me today showed some promise, pretty old school, not really all played together for a while and managed to go missing at some important moments, there was certainly a few times when Palace had far to much space and our defence found themselves with their backs against the wall, but we can't argue that none the less was an improvement. Finally Beckford and Nugent, Beckford for me is getting a lot of unfair criticism, I understand that fans don't think he's bothered or that he doesn't care, and when under Sven I can imagine why. For a striker who isn't scoring its frustrating, it's clear Sven wasn't the man to get you motivated, you didn't really get that empathetic treatment, as it was said on the radio, sometimes you just need an arm around you, and for me Beckford was showing that he can be the man to start bagging the goals. He hasn't got the greatest of touches, but his work rate was there yesterday, when he lost the ball he worked back for it, each time Pearson would acknowledge that. If he didn't take a chance his head didn't go down and he kept working and eventually he got that goal. Yes he should probably of had another, full on sprinting from the half way line, two defenders either side of you and a keeper coming down your throat as you go to pull the trigger, it isn't easy. Nugent didn't have his best game but once again the work rate was sublime, it amazes me how he can win a throw in or a corner just because he's willing to work that bit harder, some touches went astray but he knew wha he was trying to do and on another day it could of came off, give him the ball down the channels and he'll make something happen and thats all that matters as long as he's willing to work hard for it. Finally great to see Pearson back, don't think I saw him leave the edge of his area, and it was a great relief to see him constantly shouting orders and giving direction to the team. I think we've lacked that recently the communication between the staff and the squad during the match. Clearly the team were told to play for a clean sheet and for me the players showed great amount of respect for the man in how they went about their business, throwing themselves in to tackles, blocking the ball and not stopping until that final whistle. We're not world beaters and by no means are we anywhere near the best team in the league, but if that's a sign of things to come we are improving and this season is far from over. Pearson will be sorting out the mistakes that were made and I'm sure we can expect to see much more to come from the lads.
Father Ted Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 My opinion of Bamba remains. He is not good enough when up against rough strikers. Jay Bothroyd, Marlon King, Grant Holt, Shane Long, Darius Henderson... see a growing trend?? Bombscare is so awful positionally and of course the blame doesn't lie at your feet if your not at the scene of the crime! Bring Vitor back and sell Bamba.
Fox92 Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 My opinion of Bamba remains. He is not good enough when up against rough strikers. Jay Bothroyd, Marlon King, Grant Holt, Shane Long, Darius Henderson... see a growing trend?? Bombscare is so awful positionally and of course the blame doesn't lie at your feet if your not at the scene of the crime! Bring Vitor back and sell Bamba. Exactly. That is what I think.
dannythefox Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 Cant believe all the Bamba haters he will only get better he's done a lot better than Mills this season. Why is know one slating him we spent a fortune on him and I know who looks the star signing out of the two Bamba every time. Next stop for Bamba will be the premiership with us or without us so people best start getting real!
Captain... Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 Cant believe all the Bamba haters he will only get better he's done a lot better than Mills this season. Why is know one slating him we spent a fortune on him and I know who looks the star signing out of the two Bamba every time. Next stop for Bamba will be the premiership with us or without us so people best start getting real! Agree, and if Sven gets a premiership job and Bamba isn't first choice I'm sure he'll come in for him.
dannythefox Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 Agree, and if Sven gets a premiership job and Bamba isn't first choice I'm sure he'll come in for him. I don't think Sven will get another job in the premiership it's not him that bothers me Bamba will be well on the radar of a few prem clubs probably now and defo by the end of the season. But I wouldn't change the team for pompy so Bamba is going to have to do something special in training to get a start in my view and if he's not playing first team he'll be off any way!
Guest ttfn Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 My opinion of Bamba remains. He is not good enough when up against rough strikers. Jay Bothroyd, Marlon King, Grant Holt, Shane Long, Darius Henderson... see a growing trend?? Bombscare is so awful positionally and of course the blame doesn't lie at your feet if your not at the scene of the crime! Bring Vitor back and sell Bamba. If you want to talk about strong, combative strikers in the Championship I can just say: Rickie Lambert, Craig Mackail-Smith, Chris Iwelumo, Ismael Miller, Heidar Helguson. All rough strikers who have got **** all change out of Bamba.
Narborough_fox Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 If you want to talk about strong, combative strikers in the Championship I can just say: Rickie Lambert, Craig Mackail-Smith, Chris Iwelumo, Ismael Miller, Heidar Helguson. All rough strikers who have got **** all change out of Bamba. He even made Lambert score and OG.
Father Ted Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 If you want to talk about strong, combative strikers in the Championship I can just say: Rickie Lambert, Craig Mackail-Smith, Chris Iwelumo, Ismael Miller, Heidar Helguson. All rough strikers who have got **** all change out of Bamba. The Ricky Lambert who made our defence shit itself earlier this season? CMS rough? Iwelumo is shit full stop The Ismael Miller who outpaced Bamba to score the winner for Qpr last season? Yeah great list, would love to see your argument for Bambas defence against the players I named.
The Doctor Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 The Ricky Lambert who made our defence shit itself earlier this season? CMS rough? Iwelumo is shit full stop The Ismael Miller who outpaced Bamba to score the winner for Qpr last season? Yeah great list, would love to see your argument for Bambas defence against the players I named. You seem to have confused rough with powerful. A rough striker is one that puts them-self about and roughs up the defence, something that CMS does.
Simmo86 Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 As much as I like Bamba, don't think he can just walk back into the team next Saturday. Wouldn't be fair on SSL if he was dropped afer his display on Sunday.
Guest MattP Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 Bamba won't get much action under NFP, he just isn't the sort of centre back he likes. If love to see Mills and Tunch together, that could be seriously sick.
Guest MattP Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 If you want to talk about strong, combative strikers in the Championship I can just say: Rickie Lambert, Craig Mackail-Smith, Chris Iwelumo, Ismael Miller, Heidar Helguson. All rough strikers who have got **** all change out of Bamba. Lambert could of had 3 if it wasn't for Kasper and CMS only left without anything for somehow missing an open goal from 3 yards.
breadandcheese Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 Bamba won't get much action under NFP, he just isn't the sort of centre back he likes. If love to see Mills and Tunch together, that could be seriously sick. I think Nigel Pearson could be the making of Bamba. There's no doubting Bamba has all the physical attributes to be a top class defender. Big, quick, good reactions, etc. He just needs a bit of development on the tactical side. There's no better than Nigel and his team to work on that. If Bamba can improve the tactical side of his game, he'll be premier league quality.
LcFc_Smiv Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 I think Nigel Pearson could be the making of Bamba. There's no doubting Bamba has all the physical attributes to be a top class defender. Big, quick, good reactions, etc. He just needs a bit of development on the tactical side. There's no better than Nigel and his team to work on that. If Bamba can improve the tactical side of his game, he'll be premier league quality. He could be but he's got to get into the team first after StLedger's and Mills' performance yesterday, I wouldn't say that will be easy IF they can repeat that performance.
Guest ttfn Posted 21 November 2011 Posted 21 November 2011 The Ricky Lambert who made our defence shit itself earlier this season? CMS rough? Iwelumo is shit full stop The Ismael Miller who outpaced Bamba to score the winner for Qpr last season? Yeah great list, would love to see your argument for Bambas defence against the players I named. So basically you're not saying that he struggles against all rough strikers at all. You're saying that he struggles against very good Championship strikers who happen to be rough (Henderson aside, he's hopeless). Bothroyd, Holt and Long each scored around 20 times each last season and have scored in the Premier League this time out. I suppose it makes all the defenders they scored against poor too does it? There are many other good Championship strikers he has done brilliantly against, just as there are many good rough strikers he has done well against, including those I've named. Lambert was ineffective against us. Lallana was running the show for Saints that day. The Miller example was poor only insofar as a fresh Miller outpaced a tired Bamba in the 87th minute of a match last season; for Forest he didn't get a sniff. Iwelumo is shit full stop, agreed. But as I say, you stated that he struggles against rough centre forwards. He's a rough centre forward. CMS is 100 times "rougher" than Shane Long.
Thracian Posted 22 November 2011 Posted 22 November 2011 As much as I like Bamba, don't think he can just walk back into the team next Saturday. Wouldn't be fair on SSL if he was dropped afer his display on Sunday. a) SSL's excellent performance - including his two vital blocks - was just that. b) Bamba's given months of good service in a newly-developing side. SSL's played one good game in several...a welcome development but hardly an endorsement for permanency. What Pearson decides to do is anyone's bet but if he wants to put Bamba back in he's every right to if he believes it will strengthen our team for an away match where there's likely to be far more pressure than on Sunday. He might also believe Bamba has a better chance of pinching a goal. People have suggested not changing a winning team on other occasions this season and it hasn't worked. What SSL established was some credibility for himself. A clean sheet is almost always praiseworthy. It shows that he can hold the fort if necessary. Pearson may have been so happy he'll be tempted to keep the same personnel at Portsmouth, and why not?. But he may react like Ferguson and pick what he believes to be the best team for the job in the circumstances. Whatever he chooses, if we win he'll be right. If we lose it might be different. That's management.
Fox92 Posted 22 November 2011 Posted 22 November 2011 As much as I like Bamba, don't think he can just walk back into the team next Saturday. Wouldn't be fair on SSL if he was dropped afer his display on Sunday. He won't. Nigel should keep the same 11 because we won. So basically you're not saying that he struggles against all rough strikers at all. You're saying that he struggles against very good Championship strikers who happen to be rough (Henderson aside, he's hopeless) He scored a hat trick against us
Jimmy Posted 22 November 2011 Posted 22 November 2011 He scored a hat trick against us he did and he destroyed St. Ledger that day not Bamba
Kitchandro Posted 22 November 2011 Posted 22 November 2011 Yes I do know that, for one. But take Mills into consideration last year for Reading. Their corners were flat so he can direct the header flat, but Bamba seems to get his head over the ball too much. That's all I am saying. And yeah, I prefer St. Ledger. No I am not saying that, I think you are getting mixed up. All I am saying is we should direct our set pieces at Matt Mills instead. He is better in the air etc I really cannot believe you prefer St Ledger. Yes he had a good game the other day. But the guy is no where near the class of Bamba.
Kitchandro Posted 22 November 2011 Posted 22 November 2011 Cant believe all the Bamba haters he will only get better he's done a lot better than Mills this season. Why is know one slating him we spent a fortune on him and I know who looks the star signing out of the two Bamba every time. Next stop for Bamba will be the premiership with us or without us so people best start getting real! Completely agree. Mills has been a joke with the amount of goals he's cost us so far, taking into account the price we've paid. He's been better of late but still cost us against Leeds with a poor clearance. I find the criticism of Bamba laughable, can think of barely any mistakes he's made this season.
Fox92 Posted 23 November 2011 Posted 23 November 2011 he did and he destroyed St. Ledger that day not Bamba He beat Bamba, who then fouled him for the penalty though.
Simmo86 Posted 23 November 2011 Posted 23 November 2011 Completely agree. Mills has been a joke with the amount of goals he's cost us so far, taking into account the price we've paid. He's been better of late but still cost us against Leeds with a poor clearance. I find the criticism of Bamba laughable, can think of barely any mistakes he's made this season. Joke is a bit OTT. He had a poor start but has been solid of late, his clearance against Leeds wasn't the greatest but thats where he needs his midfield to help him out and they were all stood there like statues. I like Bamba alot, but at some point soon he is going to cost us with his stupid antics. I wished he'd just cut it out!
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