z-layrex Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Every single day someone is murdered in the UK now. I'm not talking about gang-related killings, but normal people. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085245/Double-murder-investigation-way-police-man-woman-dead.html This yesterday, the elderly woman butchered by burglars just a few days ago. What the **** is happening? The thought that we can go our whole lives, living in our reasonably happy bubbles, only with a brutal and viscous murder in our future ahead terrifies me.
StanSP Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Media just report it more often, perhaps? With such accessible platforms of media, it's easier to get hold of stories, and therefore stories are more noticeable. Maybe it is more common, I don't know stats on the matter. But at the moment, I'm happy to go along with the fact that a news network's ability to flag a story about murder (online, newspaper, radio, TV) compared to previous decades gives the illusion (for lack of a better word) that there is more death than before.
AdamN Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Media just report it more often, perhaps? With such accessible platforms of media, it's easier to get hold of stories, and therefore stories are more noticeable. Maybe it is more common, I don't know stats on the matter. But at the moment, I'm happy to go along with the fact that a news network's ability to flag a story about murder (online, newspaper, radio, TV) compared to previous decades gives the illusion (for lack of a better word) that there is more death than before. Pretty much this. Until we see some stats (if anyone could provide some, that'd be very handy!) then nobody really has a clue.
Guest MattP Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Ill dig them out later as I was helping my cousin with this last year for a school project. It was actually at it lowest for years in 2009 but still higher than it was twenty years ago. It was 2 people per 100,000 in 2001 and we had it down to 1.1 by 2008. Obviously with the Internet and media report more now but on a personal opinion I'd be amazed if it has continued to decrease through 2010 and 2011. Every day seems to see more death now.
davieG Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 A year ago it was reported as being the lowest for 12 years http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jan/20/murder-rate-lowest-12-years ...and in 2009 the lowest for 20 years http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/16/crime-figures-recession-impact
Guest MattP Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate West and Central Europe still by far the safest place to live in the world.
Captain... Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Every single day someone is murdered in the UK now. I'm not talking about gang-related killings, but normal people. http://www.dailymail...woman-dead.html This yesterday, the elderly woman butchered by burglars just a few days ago. What the **** is happening? The thought that we can go our whole lives, living in our reasonably happy bubbles, only with a brutal and viscous murder in our future ahead terrifies me. Your first mistake is reading the Daily Mail, were they immigrants by any chance? I have found these stats, http://www.murderuk.com/misc_crime_stats.html not sure how accurate they are, but it shows that murder has increased since the 80s, but has actually decreased since the start of the 21st century. As people have mentioned it is the media that sensationalise these stories and drag some of them out so it feels like there is constantly stories about murder in the papers, when often it is an old story with a new headline.
dave the caveman Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 From tidbits I've picked up from media over the last couple of years I was under the impression that murder rates are at their lowest for years. Maybe you're just noticing it more. Confirmation bias at work I guess.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 When I was a lad in the 80s there seemed to be just as many murders reported on the telly as there are now, a large proportion of them apparently in Mansfield. I thought I was dreaming it but they did run a piece eventually saying that there was a disproportionately high rate of killings there, but I cannot remember what the reason given was, but I imagine everyone was on a downer because of the pits closing. I'm delighted to see that the Adlington factor has seemingly halted this trend
ozleicester Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 No! and I'll kill the next person who says it is!!
Fox92 Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Yes. All our news just seems to be about people being murdered. You will never be able to stop it, but something needs to be done surely? I don't know how someone could even consider killing someone else, never mind doing it. It is sick.
davieG Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 It's all cyclic, you get a high profile murder and then that becomes the focus for the media for a while, we've had dangerous dogs, abused/missing kids, paedophiles to name but a few do we really believe that these have all gone away because they hardly if ever make the news at this time. PS Unless there's some 'z' level celebrity involved.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 It's all cyclic, you get a high profile murder and then that becomes the focus for the media for a while, we've had dangerous dogs, abused/missing kids, paedophiles to name but a few do we really believe that these have all gone away because they hardly if ever make the news at this time. PS Unless there's some 'z' level celebrity involved. The moral panic over paedophilia just seems to run and run, doesn't it? I don't read the Sun very often but every time I do it's inevitable it has a 'paedo' story in it, whereas fifteen years ago it was hardly, if ever, mentioned. We've always loved reading about people being murdered in horrific circumstances, but the papers have picked up on the fact that we* love reading about people fiddling with kids. Where are we in the social services not intervening enough/intervening too much cycle? I lose track * a figure of speech, I don't include myself in this. As a subject it doesn't really interest me
James. Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 I just hope the media turn to necrophilia at some point. I may finally get the recognition I deserve.
Rincewind Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 There is more media coverage, the population has risen plus the definition of murder has changed. When poorer people are done in it is sometimes reported. for instance if a prisoner dies in jail there is an investigation. 100 plus years ago it was unfortunate and the family were none the wiser and couldn't afford the lawyer fees to appeal. Homeless people kicked to death were just shovelled into a paupers grave. And finally lets not forget the Spanish Inquisition.
Guest MattP Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 The moral panic over paedophilia just seems to run and run, doesn't it? I don't read the Sun very often but every time I do it's inevitable it has a 'paedo' story in it, whereas fifteen years ago it was hardly, if ever, mentioned. We've always loved reading about people being murdered in horrific circumstances, but the papers have picked up on the fact that we* love reading about people fiddling with kids. Where are we in the social services not intervening enough/intervening too much cycle? I lose track * a figure of speech, I don't include myself in this. As a subject it doesn't really interest me Probably a good job when you read about the amount of cases where people have abused 200+ boys at all the clubs in the 70's now. I dread to think how many grown men have been living with the amount of abuse that went on in the 70's and 80's before it became "taboo" to touch up children.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Probably a good job when you read about the amount of cases where people have abused 200+ boys at all the clubs in the 70's now. I dread to think how many grown men have been living with the amount of abuse that went on in the 70's and 80's before it became "taboo" to touch up children. Terrifying numbers, I imagine. The victims are still knocking around the system now. The numbers are still being added to - it's certainly not gone away
purpleronnie Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Never fails to amaze me the amount of brits who seem to always think the worst about our country I've never experienced such a negative attitude elsewhere, maybe were much more gullable or maybe we are too insular and assume that these terrible crimes dont happen elsewhere, they do and much more frequently then most would think. I still feel safer in england than in any other country I've been to.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Never fails to amaze me the amount of brits who seem to always think the worst about our country I've never experienced such a negative attitude elsewhere, maybe were much more gullable or maybe we are too insular and assume that these terrible crimes dont happen elsewhere, they do and much more frequently then most would think. I still feel safer in england than in any other country I've been to. Obviously our media does little to quell our paranoia, but what I'm never sure about is whether we're paranoid anyway and we read our shit newspapers because the crap they spout fits in with our world view, or whether our paranoia is the result of what we're reading. I dunno
1964FOX Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 In general murder stats have double in the last 40 years and in general are rising all the time, clearly there are years that are low but the trend is going up. However they are getting better for women overall and the most at risk groups are lads in their 20's who live in poorer areas - no surprise there.
accessory Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 In general murder stats have double in the last 40 years and in general are rising all the time, clearly there are years that are low but the trend is going up. However they are getting better for women overall and the most at risk groups are lads in their 20's who live in poorer areas - no surprise there. A consequence of an increase in gang warfare perhaps? But the crime rate is still nowhere near the levels of the US. The state of New York alone sees more murders in a year than England and Wales combined.
Guest MattP Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 The state of New York alone sees more murders in a year than England and Wales combined. Got a source for that? Find it hard to believe, also worth remember that the vast majority of homicide in NYS is related to the Cosa Nostra and similar. It's a pretty safe place now if you are involved in anything, feel far safer in NYC than London.
Alexikokopops Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 Got a source for that? Find it hard to believe, also worth remember that the vast majority of homicide in NYS is related to the Cosa Nostra and similar. It's a pretty safe place now if you are involved in anything, feel far safer in NYC than London. I accidentally deleted your last post where you mentioned London. I meant to click Quote but clicked Delete (on my phone) and I'm not sure how to restore it in this new system Sorry! I'll try and work out how to get it back when I'm not at work. Anyway, the point I was going to make is that I really don't feel in any danger in London at all and this is coming from someone who's been mugged!
Thracian Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 Every single day someone is murdered in the UK now. I'm not talking about gang-related killings, but normal people. http://www.dailymail...woman-dead.html This yesterday, the elderly woman butchered by burglars just a few days ago. What the **** is happening? The thought that we can go our whole lives, living in our reasonably happy bubbles, only with a brutal and viscous murder in our future ahead terrifies me. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jan/20/murder-rate-lowest-12-years
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.