Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I agree with you. However we are fans that will be here next week, next year, next decade God willing and so on. No one knows the extent of the patience of the owners, or indeed their thoughts on allowing Pearson two, maybe three seasons to strip out the shit and start from scratch. Hence my original point. Are they willing to wait and fund such a project that ultimately also has no guarantees? I'm sure there will be a time limit on it, and if we get 13/14/15 games into next season and look still look as bad as we do now and did under Sven, then they will have something to think about. It may be even sooner if there is no improvement at all over this season. But they either stick with a man who has a record of building teams, or they keep sacking a manager ever 12 games until one performs a miricle. I know which route I would rather go down.
Mack Posted 16 January 2012 Author Posted 16 January 2012 I'm sure there will be a time limit on it, and if we get 13/14/15 games into next season and look still look as bad as we do now and did under Sven, then they will have something to think about. It may be even sooner if there is no improvement at all over this season. But they either stick with a man who has a record of building teams, or they keep sacking a manager ever 12 games until one performs a miricle. I know which route I would rather go down. Once again I agree. But what worries me is we have see a prompt sacking of a manager once already, and he wasn't a million miles from the goal either. Patience has not been something in abundance since these owners came along.
Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Once again I agree. But what worries me is we have see a prompt sacking of a manager once already, and he wasn't a million miles from the goal either. Patience has not been something in abundance since these owners came along. I don't know really, the Sousa one could have been them or Milan and I think most people think it was probably correct. Sven had a year in charge spent loads and got us to 14th place before being sacked. If Pearson gets the same amount of time and half decent resources, then I think he would have been given enough time to at least get us moving in the right direction. If the owners see some signs of progress then i'm sure they would give more time. I'm a very patient person, but even I was losing patience with Sven towards the end. We looked clueless, there seemed to be no positive progress at all.
seenitall Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I don't know really, the Sousa one could have been them or Milan and I think most people think it was probably correct. Sven had a year in charge spent loads and got us to 14th place before being sacked. If Pearson gets the same amount of time and half decent resources, then I think he would have been given enough time to at least get us moving in the right direction. If the owners see some signs of progress then i'm sure they would give more time. I'm a very patient person, but even I was losing patience with Sven towards the end. We looked clueless, there seemed to be no positive progress at all. Boring and wrong - it was 13th, 2 points off play offs and 5 points off an automatic place - if Pearson gets a year we will be in the same position we are now because he won't be able to buy anyone he likes until the summer and then he will only have a handful of games to build his team before the knobs on here call for his head (you included)
Houdini Logic Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I'm a very patient person, but even I was losing patience with Sven towards the end. We looked clueless, there seemed to be no positive progress at all. To be fair though, there were certain areas where we looked clueless with Sven and that's what made it frustrating. That said there were areas where we were seemingly progressing. On Saturday we were beyond clueless. I think Nigel should be given another season at least and he will get it right, but you need to keep some sort of balance/reality about this...
Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Boring - shut up Boring and wrong - it was 13th, 2 points off play offs and 5 points off an automatic place - if Pearson gets a year we will be in the same position we are now because he won't be able to buy anyone he likes until the summer and then he will only have a handful of games to build his team before the knobs on here call for his head (you included) Try using the custom table and do it up to the 22nd to include the other games not played on the Saturday. http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2011-2012/custom-table We were 2 points off after 13 games... does that mean we would have been 4 points away after 26 games then? and 6 points away after 39 games?
Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 before the knobs on here call for his head (you included) Well considering I was one of the ones who said he had been sacked a bit too soon, I highly doubt that.
Corky Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Statto.com is a wonderful website. And I don't think the owners will go just yet. Maybe next week, but not right now.
Guest MattP Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 What's funnier, the fact I wrote it in 2010 and you didn't read it properly or anything pro-Sven is shot down by individuals like yourself. Thanks I'll stand on my own then if it means I'm standing by you I don't understand how any City fan can have anything but distain for him after what he has bought into this football club, greed and selfishness. God knows how long it will take to rid the club of that culture now. It reminds of his time with England, everyone could just do and have what they want with no regard for what it creates, Capello was still trying to get rid of the WAG culture he let into the camp 5 years after he had left.
Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I don't understand how any City fan can have anything but distain for him after what he has bought into this football club, greed and selfishness. God knows how long it will take to rid the club of that culture now. It reminds of his time with England, everyone could just do and have what they want with no regard for what it creates, Capello was still trying to get rid of the WAG culture he let into the camp 5 years after he had left. I'm amazed how this site changes so much with the change of manager. One group was exceptionally anti sven, they now seem very pro Pearson. One group was pro sven and now seem very anti Pearson. There seem to be very few people in the middle.
sphericalfox Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I'm amazed how this site changes so much with the change of manager. One group was exceptionally anti sven, they now seem very pro Pearson. One group was pro sven and now seem very anti Pearson. There seem to be very few people in the middle. I hope you aren't referring to me Babs. I am pro manager fullstop, and still will criticise Sven but for me I retain the right to look at the positives and will do so with a sprinkling of criticism for both too. I find it funny that an article used to discuss the owners finds it's way to another arguement over anti/pro mangerial standings. My point was and still is, that maybe an intermediatary of some standing might be able to guide young inexperienced Top.
Raj Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 INHO they have spent so much money and have added to the infrastructure off the field,i dont think they will cash in until they achieve their goal. ie Premier League. Only then (IF it happens) can they $$$ in on the investment they have made
Corky Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I'm amazed how this site changes so much with the change of manager. One group was exceptionally anti sven, they now seem very pro Pearson. One group was pro sven and now seem very anti Pearson. There seem to be very few people in the middle. I can see Sven's "two points off the play-offs when he left" being used in a similar way to Harry Redknapp's "two points when I took over". To be used after every bad performance/ poor result.
Happy Fox Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I hope you aren't referring to me Babs. I am pro manager fullstop, and still will criticise Sven but for me I retain the right to look at the positives and will do so with a sprinkling of criticism for both too. I find it funny that an article used to discuss the owners finds it's way to another arguement over anti/pro mangerial standings. My point was and still is, that maybe an intermediatary of some standing might be able to guide young inexperienced Top. Who would you suggest gives guidance to young Top the Birch what a f**king joke someone like David Dein may be worth a look?
Guest MattP Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I'm amazed how this site changes so much with the change of manager. One group was exceptionally anti sven, they now seem very pro Pearson. One group was pro sven and now seem very anti Pearson. There seem to be very few people in the middle. I think most sensible people wouldnt criticise the current manager until he has at least has a pre season to work with and build his own team. If Pearson's goes through the pre season without signing players to play in positions we all know we need and is scrambling around for a player at 8pm on deadline night for a position we all knew we needed since June I will be just as critical on him.
Babylon Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I hope you aren't referring to me Babs. I am pro manager fullstop, and still will criticise Sven but for me I retain the right to look at the positives and will do so with a sprinkling of criticism for both too. I find it funny that an article used to discuss the owners finds it's way to another arguement over anti/pro mangerial standings. My point was and still is, that maybe an intermediatary of some standing might be able to guide young inexperienced Top. It's about many people on this site, and that's on both sides of the argument. People I used to disagree with massively under Sven, I now seem to agree with under Pearson, and visa versa. My stand point hasn't changed at all though, I just want whoever is in charge to be given a decent amount of time. I'll always stand up for the manager against OTT critisism no matter who it is, I did for Sven and I will for Pearson. I will also do the same if people overly praise them when it isn't warranted (see recent gloryfying of Sven). I gave Sven a lot of time, and only really started to moan about what he was doing towards the end. He'd had everything I always say a manager should have, so it was right to start judging him properly then. I can only think large sections of people have already decided if they will like/back the manager. And that it would change something very good from them to change their minds.
Raj Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Who would you suggest gives guidance to young Top the Birch what a f**king joke someone like David Dein may be worth a look? Andrew Neville,ex club secretary is one of Tops advisors
Happy Fox Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Andrew Neville,ex club secretary is one of Tops advisors I thought he was the football director not an advisor to Top.
ithuriel Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I'm amazed how this site changes so much with the change of manager. One group was exceptionally anti sven, they now seem very pro Pearson. One group was pro sven and now seem very anti Pearson. There seem to be very few people in the middle. I was pro Sven until the Millwall game, then i thought he would be gone very soon. Never expected the instant sacking but could understand why. I'm pro Pearson and can't believe so many so called fans want him gone after just getting his feet under the managers desk. These same poeple would have seen O'niell and Micky Adams sacked shortly after starting if this is the limit of their patience
Raj Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I thought he was the football director not an advisor to Top. He's EVERYTHING!
Happy Fox Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Does NP really have the balls to get rid of the deadwood such as Wellens, Gallagher, Dyer, Howard etc duff footballers that will not get us promoted that is my only concern, if he doesn't get rid of them in the summer at the very latest, then I don't think he has a clue.
Dan Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Boring and wrong - it was 13th, 2 points off play offs and 5 points off an automatic place - if Pearson gets a year we will be in the same position we are now because he won't be able to buy anyone he likes until the summer and then he will only have a handful of games to build his team before the knobs on here call for his head (you included) Except I'm very convinced Pearson would have us higher than where Sven did, and we'd have made obvious progress in areas which under Sven we went backwards and forwards.
Happy Fox Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 He's EVERYTHING! Interesting I think it was his admonition about being one of the people senior at the club that rates Richie F**king Wellens.
Bangkok Mick Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 SOME FACTS FROM THAILAND 1. Yes the owners are very very unhappy and worried about our position in the league - no surprise there 2. They feel a degree of embarrassment about our position mainly because the club is used as a marketing tool in Asia and the games are shown live - In Thailand and across Asia the Premiership is hugely popular. Using your own Premiership club as a marketing tool to make money makes sense. Interest from the Asian public in a Championship club is very very low and therefore dramtically reduces oppourtuinities to use the club as a marketing tool. Like most Thais the owners also feel a little embarrasment because they are very proud and don`t want to fail. 3. They have no plans to sell the club
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