Pearson, Mills and the headbutt

[Jace]

I think i'm going to have a shot at making something, up here we go.

After the Watford game Matt Mills blamed Peltier for our performance and slated him. Players such as SSL stood up for Peltier and he and Mills almost came to blows. Pearson took sides with SSL and Peltier as Mills's performace was so bad he had no right to be pointing fingers.

That prompted SSL and Peltier to take to twitter and post:

SSL: "not gonna lie to ya absolutely fuming and gutted @Pelts_86"

@Pelts_86 "chewing"

SSL: @Pelts_86 u did well though kid!

Good shout Babylon lets hope your right otherwise we will know what will happen if you start a false rumour

[TrentFox]

Yes I do rate SSL and Morgan more than Mills.. And Bamba for that matter.

And I don't give a toss about Mills 'morale'

If Mills were considered by Nige as the best we have he probably would have taken less of a stern stance. It seems obvious he doesn't. Nor do I

I've now had my cuppa and don't want to do any more work, so, with nothing other than a mischievous glint in my eye as I type this ..... you said one strategy earlier wasn't good for morale, but now you advocate treating players differently based on a perceived 'added value' to the squad ? Now it's my turn to say my morale would be through my boots if I worked for you.

[Captain...]

Different perspective coming up. Anyone else remember when Leicestershire CCC had Phil DeFreitas and Jon Agnew throwing each other's clothes off the balcony after one had tipped salt all over the other's lunch ? I'm going back a long time. Apparently, you could cut the atmosphere in the changing room with a kinfe for weeks after. It also was the catalyst for one of the best 'consecutive wins' period the club ever had ! Sometimes, if managed, such a situation can really focus everybody. I don't think this will happen, (and I'm not informed enough about actual events to suggest that it should, anyway), but what would be the likelihood of MM putting in an MoM performance against Cov. if selected ? Maybe being the player he shows glimpses of potentially being able to be ??? (I'll go and make a cuppa whilst the MM haters sharpen their axes) !!

That is brilliant I hadn't heard that story before, is it wrong that I am imagining them ripping each other's clothers off and throwing them off the balcony so they are naked and shivering and covered in salt...

The difference is though they were were both players and not the manager, and Cricket, whilst a team sport is played by individuals, there is very little interaction between the team mates, except running between the wickets, and their could have been an added motivation in doing better than the other, safe in the knowledge they don't have to work together.

Once you cross the manager you lose, it is as simple as that, unless it is a weak manager, NP is boss and whether you nut him, shag his missus or pull faces behind his back, there is only ever one winner when it is player vs manager.

[Trav Le Bleu]

I've read in a rumour I made up on Twitter that he took a steaming dump in Pearson's kitbag and then pissed in it.

Obviously this is nothing more than a possible rumour but if it is true the strongest action should be taken and the player should be banned from the stadium, the game and the city for life - if not longer.

And Pearson should have seen the funny side so it just goes to show what a potentially miserable twat he might or might not be.

Can you confirm any of this?

[TrentFox]

That is brilliant I hadn't heard that story before, is it wrong that I am imagining them ripping each other's clothers off and throwing them off the balcony so they are naked and shivering and covered in salt...

The difference is though they were were both players and not the manager, and Cricket, whilst a team sport is played by individuals, there is very little interaction between the team mates, except running between the wickets, and their could have been an added motivation in doing better than the other, safe in the knowledge they don't have to work together.

Once you cross the manager you lose, it is as simple as that, unless it is a weak manager, NP is boss and whether you nut him, shag his missus or pull faces behind his back, there is only ever one winner when it is player vs manager.

Totally agree. I did warn anyone reading it that I wasn't committed to that belief anyway, just hypothesising. However, as I'm enjoying defending a position I'm not really bothered about, let's carry on ! I honestly believe that MM is a better player than most on here are giving him credit for being. I don't think there is very much between any of our CBs ability, to be honest, and a case could be made for all as all offer something. Nobody knows where MM and NPs heads are at over this, but I have a secret hunch about MM coming really good for us and wonder if this might just be a potential turning point .... that was kind of the point i was trying to make (badly) with the LCCC story .... turning points. Thoughts ?

[Guest Col city fan]

I've now had my cuppa and don't want to do any more work, so, with nothing other than a mischievous glint in my eye as I type this ..... you said one strategy earlier wasn't good for morale, but now you advocate treating players differently based on a perceived 'added value' to the squad ? Now it's my turn to say my morale would be through my boots if I worked for you.

Nah... This ain't right... You'd rather try to improve the morale of one player whilst risking upsetting the team? Is that really what you are advocating?

Pearson doesn't seem to fancy Millsy... Hes burnt his bridges and he's taken a tough stance against him.

I would assume that he felt he had to do this to make an example of the level of dissent he was faced with.

It would be difficult to go back on this and why on earth would he want to?

His decision on this was most probably made easier because he considers Mills expendable.

If this is what happened ( and again, let me say it's all speculation so I'm theorising) then it makes sense to me.

And are you saying that managers don't have staff they prefer over others?

Get real...

[Happy Fox]

Mills and Tunch kept a clean sheet in the Rezzies against Northampton in a 3-0 win. Tbh if Mills is playing in the reserves their isn't much hope for him as far as his future at this club is concerned.

[Babylon]

Good shout Babylon lets hope your right otherwise we will know what will happen if you start a false rumour

[TrentFox]

Nah... This ain't right... You'd rather try to improve the morale of one player whilst risking upsetting the team? Is that really what you are advocating?

Pearson doesn't seem to fancy Millsy... Hes burnt his bridges and he's taken a tough stance against him.

I would assume that he felt he had to do this to make an example of the level of dissent he was faced with.

It would be difficult to go back on this and why on earth would he want to?

His decision on this was most probably made easier because he considers Mills expendable.

If this is what happened ( and again, let me say it's all speculation so I'm theorising) then it makes sense to me.

And are you saying that managers don't have staff they prefer over others?

Get real...

All teasing aside, I suspect you're right - I do fear MM is 'dead-man-walking' as far as NP is concerned. And, depending on what happened, that might be appropriate. But where I would disagree with you is that elite sports people are bought into the results business, too. If MM (in my slightly tongue-in-cheek analogy of earlier) played a blinder and started helping us hit points, I think all would be forgotten pretty quickly. Can't help thinking it's never going to happen, but I've enjoyed speculating with you buddy.

[flowwolf]

Every football team I've ever played for has had that banter. But there's a difference between light hearted piss taking and a direct verbal attack against anyone, let alone the manager. It would appear that this is what probably happened.

There's always a line which can't be crossed because if it does chaos can ensue... Including splitting.

When a squad becomes split you have a major problem.

I believe that Pearson has taken this job on, knowing that there are some big egos within the squad and knowing that his approach, at least for the time being, needs to be autocratic.

This is all speculation on my part, but I'd be surprised if Nige and his management team have not let it be known that they are not gonna take any shit from anyone.

Including the media it would seem..

Good management.

Absolutely spot as usual col. spot the difference between Pearson and mills, one had a successful career in the Premiership as a defender the other never proved he was good enough for the Premiership as a defender and judging by the performance's he served up for us never will. In both his attitude and passing ability mills will never grace the premiership he just hasn't got it that is plain for all to see.

In this one action Pearson has proved beyond doubt who is the real man and the the right man to lead this club forward. MON never stood for ego's and neither will Pearson, this guy IS our future and what ever happens this season i'm looking forward to next season under Pearson.

[Guest Col city fan]

All teasing aside, I suspect you're right - I do fear MM is 'dead-man-walking' as far as NP is concerned. And, depending on what happened, that might be appropriate. But where I would disagree with you is that elite sports people are bought into the results business, too. If MM (in my slightly tongue-in-cheek analogy of earlier) played a blinder and started helping us hit points, I think all would be forgotten pretty quickly. Can't help thinking it's never going to happen, but I've enjoyed speculating with you buddy.

On this point I agree with you completely mate.

Take Tevez for example... He's pissed on Man City for months, disrespecting the manager, the fans, the club in general in a diabolical way.

But he's back and, if he starts scoring goals, which he most likely will ( he's an elite sportsman) over time, his rudeness and disrespect will be forgotten.

However, even with Tevez I think this 'period of forgetting' will take time.

Mills isn't elite, he's expendable and it's for THIS reason more than any other that I would be surprised if Nige does a u turn.

Anyway, we'll see...

Cheers pal.

[lcfc_amie]

Mills and Tunch kept a clean sheet in the Rezzies against Northampton in a 3-0 win. Tbh if Mills is playing in the reserves their isn't much hope for him as far as his future at this club is concerned.

I think it means the opposite to be honest.

If he was even thinking about going to Leeds on loan, then surely he wouldn't have played today. He's not played since the Watford match, so needs game time to keep his match fitness up. By playing for the reserves, he's probably showing that he's willing to get his head down and work to earn back his place in the team, instead of going out on loan.

[Happy Fox]

I think it means the opposite to be honest.

If he was even thinking about going to Leeds on loan, then surely he wouldn't have played today. He's not played since the Watford match, so needs game time to keep his match fitness up. By playing for the reserves, he's probably showing that he's willing to get his head down and work to earn back his place in the team, instead of going out on loan.

Just remember the Fernandes situation he played in the reserves and scored 4 goals and peeps thought he was willing to work and try and get back in the team etc then he buggered of and went to Italy.

[Wherethefoxhat?]

I think it means the opposite to be honest.

If he was even thinking about going to Leeds on loan, then surely he wouldn't have played today. He's not played since the Watford match, so needs game time to keep his match fitness up. By playing for the reserves, he's probably showing that he's willing to get his head down and work to earn back his place in the team, instead of going out on loan.

Willing to get his head down & work ???

That's what he's paid so handsomely to fookin do !!

Just remember the Fernandes situation he played in the reserves and scored 4 goals and peeps thought he was willing to work and try and get back in the team etc then he buggered of and went to Italy.

He was a bloody loanee ......no comparison !

[ScouseFox]

The rumours are always much more exciting than the actual story. Keep 'em coming.

[cairnsy]

What post?

One about him not handling banter

[Bugg]

Just remember the Fernandes situation he played in the reserves and scored 4 goals and peeps thought he was willing to work and try and get back in the team etc then he buggered of and went to Italy.

1. He was a loanee

2. Udinese > Leicester

[Guest]

If , God forbid, SSL and Morgan both pick up small injuries against Cov then Mills could be back in the following game, play a blinder and never be out of the team again.

That's football.

[Captain...]

1. He was a loanee

2. Udinese > Leicester

1. He was still putting himself in the shop window because he didn't want to be here, there may have been representatives of other clubs there watching.

2. How very dare you!!!

[cairnsy]

On this point I agree with you completely mate.

Take Tevez for example... He's pissed on Man City for months, disrespecting the manager, the fans, the club in general in a diabolical way.

But he's back and, if he starts scoring goals, which he most likely will ( he's an elite sportsman) over time, his rudeness and disrespect will be forgotten.

However, even with Tevez I think this 'period of forgetting' will take time.

Mills isn't elite, he's expendable and it's for THIS reason more than any other that I would be surprised if Nige does a u turn.

Anyway, we'll see...

Cheers pal.

Depends - TBH what Tevez did for me was a lot worse, but I think all parties involved in the Tevez situation realised that the best option was to get tevez playing again - main reason being no-one bought him over the January transfer Window.

2. Udinese > Leicester

Are you being Serious?!?!?

We're MASSIVE you know..

[Captain...]

If , God forbid, SSL and Morgan both pick up small injuries against Cov then Mills could be back in the following game, play a blinder and never be out of the team again.

That's football.

Bamba and Tunchev,

Whether Mills has burnt his bridges here or not we won't know until it all comes out, we still don't know what was said from physical violence to vile rants to taking the piss, if he ever gets back in the squad he will have to earn his place like everyone else and work hard to keep it and being dropped could have been the kick up the arse he looked like he badly needed, but his aleged reaction to being dropped could well see him leave the club.

It does look unlikely at the moment that we will see him in a Leicester Shirt again, maybe a match for the reserves will be the start of his redemption, and if he does then I will support him, and support the manager's decision to do so.

What I would really like to see is an official statement from the club, and maybe an apology for his actions and a declaration of his willingness to fight for his place, that may be why the Leeds deal fell through, or maybe he realised that Warnock is a complete tw@ and would rather live in fear of Big Nige at the KP than have to spend another minute in the company of Warnock.

[Happy Fox]

You would like to think Matt Elliott would give him some advice? as he is currently dating his daughter

[davieG]

You would like to think Matt Elliott would give him some advice? as he is currently dating his daughter

Yes - keep out of her knickers.

[Happy Fox]

Yes - keep out of her knickers.

, no but in all seriousness, if he followed the work ethic and determination to be a success at this club like Walsh and Elliott, these would be good examples to follow on the pitch.

[SMX11]

I think this one of NP's tests of character, he seems to like to see how 'established' players react to being dropped and being out of favour. However, if he did cause offense to NP then it may take a while before he is back into the fold, if at all.