daddylonglegs Posted 22 March 2012 Author Posted 22 March 2012 I started this topic about a week ago. And my opinion hasn't changed. Ultimately he is scoring goals. Great. But that doesn't make up for that critical middle part or the season, where if anything, we would of been more useful playing with ten men.
Happy Fox Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 I started this topic about a week ago. And my opinion hasn't changed. Ultimately he is scoring goals. Great. But that doesn't make up for that critical middle part or the season, where if anything, we would of been more useful playing with ten men. You could say the same for Wellens, Dyer, Gallagher yet you probably bum those shits players they have been guilty of being majorly inconsistent more so than Beckford. Beckford is quality and we are lucky to have him alongside Nugent, Konchesky, Danns and Kasper.
marbelladave Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 Happy Fox. Won't be enough though, sorry...... In addition to the defensive player, we need a playmaker and a box to box supporting player and 3 into 2 doesn't go..... Also since Beckford is no good as a lone striker, are you suggesting we only start him in half the games?........
Happy Fox Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 Happy Fox. Won't be enough though, sorry...... In addition to the defensive player, we need a playmaker and a box to box supporting player and 3 into 2 doesn't go..... I would argue we have a playmaker in Drinkwater, the box to box player in Danns and King. Also since Beckford is no good as a lone striker, are you suggesting we only start him in half the games?........ There are 46 games in a season so mixing up the front two of Beckford and Nugent when we have more available options instead of the likes of Howard to bring off the bench will help imo.
cosmos Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 You could say the same for Wellens, Dyer, Gallagher yet you probably bum those shits players they have been guilty of being majorly inconsistent more so than Beckford. Beckford is quality and we are lucky to have him alongside Nugent, Konchesky, Danns and Kasper. here here mate at last someone talking sense, beckford has always been quality even in his early days with us when he wasn't scoring, it's just that wellens king and gally have been that bad it has taken it out of beckfords hands--gally is a spoilt brat who influences pearson as is wellens!
topharry123 Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 Errr...... No they won't...... If we play 4-4-2 with those 2 up front we will continue to get dominated in midfield which means the service up to them will be lousy and we will be in for another unproductive and frustrating season. Best we can hope for is that Beckford continues his current run of form for a few more meaningless games and we persuade a lower Premier league team to take him off our hands....... Ok well I guess it's just me that's noticed that as the season has gone on they seem to be playing better together and connecting better, not to mention the fact that they have 8 goals between them this month out of our 13. Nugent and Beckford are both quality strikers and the only reason Beckford has a bad rep is because he took some time to get going for us. He is scoring much more freely now and doing a lot more than he was before. We will get dominated in midfield if we keep playing the midfield we have. We may have some good players in there but it clearly isn't working as well as it should be. Wellens has reached his peak, as has Gallacher, and i'm not sure either of them are capable of premier league football anyway. Danns is a decent player and Marshall looks like one for the future, but then we have Dyer who has pace but rare end product. we need to rehaul the midfield over the summer and find something that works, but I stand by my comment that the front two have looked like a good partnership the last month and they have put chances away when they have been given the service, but the problem lies with the fact that our midfield does not seem good enough to provide good enough service.
Haydos Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 Happy Fox. Won't be enough though, sorry...... In addition to the defensive player, we need a playmaker and a box to box supporting player and 3 into 2 doesn't go..... Also since Beckford is no good as a lone striker, are you suggesting we only start him in half the games?........ So you're suggesting nobody can achieve success with 4-4-2? Or we can't ever for some reason?
Guybino Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 much rather keep beckford playing whilst he's scoring goals than someone like Gally who just falls over looking for free kicks everytime he loses the ball (which is alot)
Guybino Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 why are people still moaning about beckfrod anyway? were scoring goals should be moaning about our defence if anything, or not moaning at all and supporting out team.
marbelladave Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 So you're suggesting nobody can achieve success with 4-4-2? Or we can't ever for some reason? Not at all. I am suggesting that you need exceptional players to do so. The burden on the central midfield pairing is immense and this is, and has been for some time, the weakest part of our team. I have explained many times how 4-4-2 can be made to work, most recently in a post in this thread, but the reality is that without such players 4-4-2 is easily countered, particularly at our level. We need to bring ourselves into the 21st century with a more flexible system and get rid of this dreadful mishmash of passing the ball around then, with the defence well set, knocking the ball long, that seems to be our current tactic.
whoareyaaa Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 i know what is it with people moaning about Beckford jesus christ if you look at his record it proves he can score goals and is now starting to bed into the team and half of you lot want rid of him. Who else would we bring in that would do a better job ? people need to get a life instead of constantly moaning about a player who for the last 3/4 months has put in a lot of effort and is now linking up well with Nuge, yea his first few months wernt great but whos was? We should 100% stick with Beckford and Nuge next season its the wingers and cm that are brining the team down.
phillo Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 i told u he would come good three or four more players next season we should be flying
KidKunny Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 Look at all the people that think he's shit. Just look at them! Aren't they cute, thinking they know everything about football. Bless. Amen
paddy Agyemang Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 3 goals in a few days Quality as per usual, love him and always have
NeilyBoy Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 I wouldn't say as per usual but he's definitely doing himself proud right now.
JonnyBoy Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 I started this topic about a week ago. And my opinion hasn't changed. Ultimately he is scoring goals. Great. But that doesn't make up for that critical middle part or the season, where if anything, we would of been more useful playing with ten men. isn't it about the present not the past? ... your only sticking to your word because you don't want to be seen as looking like an idiot on this thread. Always believed in Beckford, think he's got 13 for the season, 11 in 2012. Not a bad stat at all. If it wasn't for Beckford we probably wouldnt of reached anywhere near the quarter final of the FA cup. Anyone who wants him out at the end of the season need to take a look at themselves.
coolhandfox Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 Any player needs to be judged over a couple of seasons!
Babylon Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 As I said a while back I'd give him to the end of the season and forget about his bad start. And goals wise you can't argue with how he's performing at the moment. He's not getting better service than he was, I never bought into the "we aren't making chances" rubbish. He's now just taking the chances that come along as well as making his own. Am I totally happy with his all round game? No I'm not, and probably never will be. It's turning more and more into a Yakubu scenario... "all he does is score goals". We can all sit here to next Christmas arguing on that one, we may as well face it he will always divide opinion. When he's scoring the rest is forgiven. When he's not, he'll get it in the neck because of the lacking parts of his game.
Guest ttfn Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 your only sticking to your word because you don't want to be seen as looking like an idiot on this thread. If he changed his mind in the space of a week he'd be called fickle. It seems you can't win either way.
Haydos Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 If he changed his mind in the space of a week he'd be called fickle. It seems you can't win either way. He'd be fickle for judging him so quickly and again changing his mind so quickly. I don't have a problem with people changing their minds about players, it's just when they write players so early that bugs me. Give them a fair crack in the first place and you'll never come across as fickle.
Guest ttfn Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 He'd be fickle for judging him so quickly and again changing his mind so quickly. I don't have a problem with people changing their minds about players, it's just when they write players so early that bugs me. Give them a fair crack in the first place and you'll never come across as fickle. Six months is plenty of time for a seasoned pro not adjusting to a new league. Beckford was given a fair crack. Unfortunately he let everybody down with a series of disinterested displays. One good week, whilst encouraging, doesn't change what's happened. If you were to judge Beckford at this point, with 13 goals (7 league) would you say he's been a success? At best you might say the jury's out.
Toffee_Fox Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 Did tell his doubters he would come good, he's a goalscorer, he won't run around like a headless chicken, but he gets in the right places and can finish. Everton miss him.
Haydos Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 Six months is plenty of time for a seasoned pro not adjusting to a new league. Beckford was given a fair crack. Unfortunately he let everybody down with a series of disinterested displays. One good week, whilst encouraging, doesn't change what's happened. If you were to judge Beckford at this point, with 13 goals (7 league) would you say he's been a success? At best you might say the jury's out. So when it comes down to it you're saying if a player doesn't shine in the first 6 months at the club then what? They're not worth keeping? Yeah, the jury's out. That's fair. Just because he's been here a set amount of time why do people still have to make a judgement on whether he's worth keeping? His displays have been inconsistent we've seen good performances and poor. His recent performances have been good though, isn't that encouraging enough to give him further opportunity? Not for some it seems. Posts like they guy above me are just as bad though IMO. How has he 'come good'? He's had a few good performances, encouraging, but he's hardly 'come good', you can't laud it over people after a few good games, the same way you can't claim he's shit after a few poor games.
HoustonFox Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 Did tell his doubters he would come good, he's a goalscorer, he won't run around like a headless chicken, but he gets in the right places and can finish. Everton miss him. Wanna swap him for Jags or Rodwell?
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