Guest Col city fan Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 Your like a kitty cat on catnip when it comes to this thread lets shoot for the play offs! Nice analogy...
wellyfox Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 Ok one more.. You've missed the point mate... I'm not sure on purpose or by accident? What these figures suggest to me is that the bulk of the top league goal scorers have also chipped in with ASSISTS. That was the real point. Neither Beckford nor Nugent appear in the top twenty five league table for assists. By definition, they have not set up 'each other' for many goals at all. The figures then, fly in the face of people suggesting that the pair of them have developed a 'strong partnership'... This actually is not the case. If it were they would have both scored more goals AND assisted each other more to score them. However, as I stated earlier... None of our squad, not one single player, appears in the top assists table, with the exception of Drinkwater, mainly when at Barnsley. This represents a bigger problem and also indicates that if Sven may have pushed the boat out to get a Snodgrass or a Burke, we may have been in a better place at present. I make no assumptions, and of course I know players fit in better at certain clubs. For fooks sake, we've seen that enough with City players over the past few years. But ignore the 'lack of assists' thing at your peril. This demonstrates, to me anyway, that Beckford's lack of overall game is clear to see. Nugent has scored league goals, so can be excused. He has also MADE and TAKEN a number of goals himself.. But Beckford has just about literally set no goals up for any of his team mates. Here's the rub... Do you consider that he WILL now start to do so? If so, then fine... If the argument is that Nugent and Beckford WILL form a formidable 'partnership' then we can go with that. But the stats tell us that this hasnt yet happened.. And the season is not far from being over. Hell, it still could happen and we could sneak the play offs! If so, we will all be happy! But this makes me come back again to my original point... Beckford can be a clinical finisher (positive), but his ability to bring other players into the mix, especially to score goals is not so good (negative)..... So what you are really saying is Becks and Nuge do not assist enough but then state none of our midfield do either. So why slate Becks it's took him a while to settle yes but now he's scoring. When was it a strikers job to assist anyway thats just a bonus.(IMO) So as you are saying about assist's had our midfield chipped in with a fare amout we would be in the play off's then. And sorry Col City Fan as much as I agree with a lot you say it is becoming more obvious that you do have a problem with Beckford. And yes thats MO too.
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 No, I got the point about assists. But it brings us back to the "that yakubu, all he does is score goals" argument. As long as they both put away goals at a good rate, it doesn't matter whether they assist each other or not. Regardless, they might not have set each other up for goals, and had Beckford started the season better, they might have done, but their link-up play, while not the best, isn't bad. I also think you missed the point; why would you name midfielders in that list? Considering the topic was Beckford, and who could replace him, the amount of assists that other midfielders have is not really relevant. And again, the point still stands, they may have lots of assists/goals this season, but that's with the benefit of hindsight. Nugent hasn't scored that many more goals then Beckford (and that's including Beckfords awful start to the season). True, they were in the league, rather then the cup, but that's a non-point really. Yes, Beckfords goals probably would be more useful in the League - but it's not as if Nugent wasn't trying to score in the cup, and Beckford hasn't been trying to score in the league. Where they were scored doesn't really change the quality or ability of a player to score goals, unless they happen to be against a league two side (and Beckford scored against Chelsea, so we can't really complain). The point is, If he can score in the cup, he can score in the league, the recent goals are more down to his good form. You might think Beckford only having 3 assists is bad, but I'd be more concerned about the fact that Gallagher only has 2. I think you make some good points here to be fair. I'm gonna stand down at this point and see what happens. And Jon is quite right.. Still make the play offs and it's all looking bright again. Finally, IF eventually I'm proved wrong re my concerns with Becks I'll be the first to say so.
Charl91 Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 I think you make some good points here to be fair. I'm gonna stand down at this point and see what happens. And Jon is quite right.. Still make the play offs and it's all looking bright again. Finally, IF eventually I'm proved wrong re my concerns with Becks I'll be the first to say so. I understand you find Beckford a frustrating figure; I can empathise, because I feel the same way about some players. However, give him to the end of the season before making judgements
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 So what you are really saying is Becks and Nuge do not assist enough but then state none of our midfield do either. So why slate Becks it's took him a while to settle yes but now he's scoring. When was it a strikers job to assist anyway thats just a bonus.(IMO) So as you are saying about assist's had our midfield chipped in with a fare amout we would be in the play off's then. And sorry Col City Fan as much as I agree with a lot you say it is becoming more obvious that you do have a problem with Beckford. And yes thats MO too. Fair play mate... Look up to the last post...
wellyfox Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 Can someone set up a thread with a vote. Does CCF hate beckford Or CCF is right about beckford Or Too pissed off about it to care lol lol
whoareyaaa Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 No, I got the point about assists. But it brings us back to the "that yakubu, all he does is score goals" argument. As long as they both put away goals at a good rate, it doesn't matter whether they assist each other or not. Regardless, they might not have set each other up for goals; had Beckford started the season better, they might have done. That being said, I can think of a few occasions off the top of my head where they have set each other up, and their link-up play, while not the best, isn't bad. I also think you missed the point; why would you name midfielders in that list? Considering the topic was Beckford, and who could replace him, the amount of assists that other midfielders have is not really relevant. And again, the point still stands, they may have lots of assists/goals this season, but that's with the benefit of hindsight. Nugent hasn't scored that many more goals then Beckford (and that's including Beckfords awful start to the season). True, they were in the league, rather then the cup, but that's a non-point really. Yes, Beckfords goals probably would be more useful in the League - but it's not as if Nugent wasn't trying to score in the cup, and Beckford hasn't been trying to score in the league. Where they were scored doesn't really change the quality or ability of a player to score goals, unless they happen to be against a league two side (and Beckford scored against Chelsea, so we can't really complain). The point is, If he can score in the cup, he can score in the league, the recent goals are more down to his good form. You might think Beckford only having 3 assists is bad, but I'd be more concerned about the fact that Gallagher only has 2. I mean, Wellens only has 5, and he's meant to be our creative midfielder! This. Close the thread.
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 Can someone set up a thread with a vote. Does CCF hate beckford Or CCF is right about beckford Or Too pissed off about it to care lol lol For fooks sake NO! On this forum I'll get mullered!! lol
lcfc matt Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 I hope we keep hold of him I'll be gutted if he's sold in the summer he can do the business give him a full preseason and all will be good
wellyfox Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 For fooks sake NO! On this forum I'll get mullered!! lol Really any chance you could tell me how to do it? lol lol
wellyfox Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 I hope we keep hold of him I'll be gutted if he's sold in the summer he can do the business give him a full preseason and all will be good No chance he's gonna get a 10yr contract just to piss off CCF lol
jonlcfc1990 Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 Hey Becks did you know CCF isn't a fan of yours? Becks: Who? Does that bother you in the slightest? Becks: Nahh he's aloud his opinion and i haven't been at my best this season. So have you got a message for him? Becks: CCF Your aloud your opinion let haters hate and i'll try my hardest till the end of the season
Corky Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 I really don't think the FA cup goals matter. Not really. We were never gonna win it. I guess I'll get shot down in flames for saying so, but what has really mattered this season has been the week-in, week-out grind of the Championship. This is where the lack of goals and lack of assists has thus far, let us down. However, the season ain't over yet is it.. I hope this improves and that we make the play offs. Of course. Obviously as that suits your argument. He hasn't been great in the league, but to take his cup goals away smacks of just not liking a player.
Houdini Logic Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 I really don't think the FA cup goals matter. Yep - the fact he scored a hatrick against opponents in our league and a goal against one of the best teams in the world is completely irrelevant
muzzy1981 Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 I have changed my mind a little on Beckford, I think he can contribute a decent amount towards a promotion push next season (maybe this season) but we still need to find a Holt/Lambert/Rhodes player 6,2 ft powerhouse to complete a dominant frontline, it's a long season, so Nuge, Beck Shclupp and a new guy as mentioned we would be a force!
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 Really any chance you could tell me how to do it? lol lol Take ten pints of decent lager.. Mix it up with a few sambuca chasers and smoke fags all night mate. That usually does it for me... lol
NeilyBoy Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 Hey Becks did you know CCF isn't a fan of yours? Becks: Who? Does that bother you in the slightest? Becks: Nahh he's aloud his opinion and i haven't been at my best this season. So have you got a message for him? Becks: CCF Your aloud your opinion let haters hate and i'll try my hardest till the end of the season Very nice, but your grammar is horrendous. Aloud = permitted audible. i ≠ I. Till = the thing a shop assistant uses or something you do to a field. And when my smiling the whole world smiles with me..? (That one's been bugging me for a while ) It's such a shame since you've clearly grasped the use of apostrophes to indicate a contraction (apart from the aforementioned 'til error) and you made such stellar use of the question mark.
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 Obviously as that suits your argument. He hasn't been great in the league, but to take his cup goals away smacks of just not liking a player. Course it doesn't! I'd have rather seen him score league goals this season.. All your post does is try to make your own argument.. That I have something against Beckford which isnt true. I have concern about some of his play but nothing against him personally. You're just wanting to believe I do.
hackneyfox Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 Every other post seems to be from you, and they all damn him with faint praise. 23 pages on this thread and you're probably reponsible for 12 of the buggers.
crisp packet Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 Every other post seems to be from you, and they all damn him with faint praise. 23 pages on this thread and you're probably reponsible for 12 of the buggers.
KidKunny Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 No, I got the point about assists. But it brings us back to the "that yakubu, all he does is score goals" argument. As long as they both put away goals at a good rate, it doesn't matter whether they assist each other or not. Regardless, they might not have set each other up for goals; had Beckford started the season better, they might have done. That being said, I can think of a few occasions off the top of my head where they have set each other up, and their link-up play, while not the best, isn't bad. I also think you missed the point; why would you name midfielders in that list? Considering the topic was Beckford, and who could replace him, the amount of assists that other midfielders have is not really relevant. And again, the point still stands, they may have lots of assists/goals this season, but that's with the benefit of hindsight. Nugent hasn't scored that many more goals then Beckford (and that's including Beckfords awful start to the season). True, they were in the league, rather then the cup, but that's a non-point really. Yes, Beckfords goals probably would be more useful in the League - but it's not as if Nugent wasn't trying to score in the cup, and Beckford hasn't been trying to score in the league. Where they were scored doesn't really change the quality or ability of a player to score goals, unless they happen to be against a league two side (and Beckford scored against Chelsea, so we can't really complain). The point is, If he can score in the cup, he can score in the league, the recent goals are more down to his good form. You might think Beckford only having 3 assists is bad, but I'd be more concerned about the fact that Gallagher only has 2. I mean, Wellens only has 5, and he's meant to be our creative midfielder! Amen!! Hit the nail on the head
KidKunny Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 I think every game he is slowly but surely he is becoming a team player now, despite what people think he is a quality player IMO.
wurmer Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 I think every game he is slowly but surely he is becoming a team player now, despite what people think he is a quality player IMO. Eyeing a Summer Transfer....
sphericalfox Posted 20 March 2012 Posted 20 March 2012 Course it doesn't! I'd have rather seen him score league goals this season.. All your post does is try to make your own argument.. That I have something against Beckford which isnt true. I have concern about some of his play but nothing against him personally. You're just wanting to believe I do. I think I may have found my quote for when I change my signature! Btw is has been buggin me for awhile now, as nobody else has your particular unique format when posting. Are you using a typewriter or something?
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