If it wernt nigel?

[flowwolf]

Oh God please no I can't take anymore.

[accessory]

Well I wouldn't be, I've said the same things about him as I did Sven. At this point in time there are two many mitigating circumstances that could have contributed to his average tenure so far. As with Sven, a summer in the job removes those from the equation, which I believe lets you judge fairly.

It's very easy to sit here and say get rid, that's the easy option when you are sat at home behind a computer not stumping up the cash yourself. If you are the owners it's a massive decision, and not something that can be taken as lightly as some do on here. The costs alone of replacing a manager and getting someone else in would be huge.

If you added up what we have paid out for the services of Sousa and Pearson from Swansea and Hull. The wages Sousa, Sven and their staff had to be paid up when sacked, and any figure that would have to be paid up to Pearson and his lot, along with getting in someone else. It'd be a frightening amount.

You have to be as sure as possible that they are not the right Person. And frankly unless someone has been a disaster like Sousa, I'm not sure there is anyway you can be in 5 months. Playing with much of someone else's team, not having a close season and only having a January window to change things.

In the context of the money shelled out by the owners during and since the takeover, together with the further losses they'll run up next season, the costs of paying off another failed management team are relatively marginal.

For King Power to recoup their investment, which already runs into the tens of millions, they have to find a manager who will not only get us into the top flight, but will keep us there. There has been VERY little evidence, in terms of results or performances, during the last five months to indicate that the current incumbent is capable of either achievement.

Having been forced by dressing-room discontent into firing two managers in successive seasons, there was a certain logic in the powers-that-be reverting to a figure who the majority of the playing staff already knew and trusted. The hope would have been that this individual would have been able to inspire and motivate the squad to reach higher standards than were evident under Sousa and Eriksson, The reality, however, has been different, as the same core of players continue to struggle.

Is it not possible that they might be the source of instability and persistent failure? If so, what does it tell us about the judgement from a manager who continues to show such blind faith in them?

Big changes need to be made in order to prepare for a genuine promotion challenge next around. There are serious doubts whether the present man in charge has the will or mentality to bring these changes to effect, or will be able to attract sufficient quality of new recruits.

The owners have a massive call to make in the close season - which they cannot afford to get wrong. If they believe there are more credible alternatives out there, they should actively pursue them.

Eleven years ago, another struggling manager openly pleaded, with the support of local media (which invoked his past "successes"), for more time and resources in order to improve the squad, bring in "his" players and promote stability within the club.

That manager was Peter Taylor. The board of the time duly indulged him. It was a reckless act with devastating consequences (especially financially) which persist to this day.

Will the City owners of 2012 choose a different course?

[Trav Le Bleu]

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Stupid eyes!

[Nick]

Maybe we should consider putting someone in like Sven Goran Eriksson and give him a full season.

[Webbo]

Is it not possible that they might be the source of instability and persistent failure? If so, what does it tell us about the judgement from a manager who continues to show such blind faith in them?

Who would you have played in midfield instead, in the last game?

[accessory]

Who would you have played in midfield instead, in the last game?

This is not about one game in particular, but an irrational sense of loyalty shown to certain individuals who have repeatedly failed throughout this season and indeed the last one.

Pearson drastically reduced the depth in the squad (and especially the midfield) while other managers (notably Brian McDermott) were busy increasing theirs. That left us vulnerable to injuries and suspensions during the crucial closing weeks of the season.

[foxes2011]

if we got rid of Pearson realistically you have to think of managers that are going to be better than him. who is going to do a better job??. I personally think we need to stick with someone for a longer period but to be honest that doesnt always work. im open minded and whatever the owners decide im behind them. I think we would support anyone the same everyone gets a year to prove there worth.

examples:

Dave Jones was at cardiff for 5 seasons got the sack and no promotion lost in playoffs

Simon Grayson at leeds for 3 years promoted to championship but never really achieved anything in that league

Nigel Clough at derby 3 year not acheived much

[Webbo]

This is not about one game in particular, but an irrational sense of loyalty shown to certain individuals who have repeatedly failed throughout this season and indeed the last one.

Pearson drastically reduced the depth in the squad (and especially the midfield) while other managers (notably Brian McDermott) were busy increasing theirs. That left us vulnerable to injuries and suspensions during the crucial closing weeks of the season.

Yeah but who would you have played instead?

[FoxyPV]

We should cut off a part of Pearson's body for every poor result.

Either our results improve, or soon we'll be looking a for a new manager.

[cc_star]

This is not about one game in particular, but an irrational sense of loyalty shown to certain individuals who have repeatedly failed throughout this season and indeed the last one.

Pearson drastically reduced the depth in the squad (and especially the midfield) while other managers (notably Brian McDermott) were busy increasing theirs. That left us vulnerable to injuries and suspensions during the crucial closing weeks of the season.

Do we know NP had much choice in it?

Telling that 1 midfielder to go was on £40k/wk (according to Urawa Reds, who said he'd cut his wages in half to £20k/wk to join them) & another was on close to that despite being too fat to play

He did of course sign, errrm two midfielders

[Soar Fox]

What's the point in sacking a manager after half a season, just for some other manager to come in and get to know the players.

He's not saying should the manager be sacked. He's asking whether people would have been more lenient as they have been if it was Roy Keane for instance.

[CKB]

Pearson has had half a season with a clearly disorganised squad. We would not benefit from his sacking one iota, we desperately need stability.

This means that we should not have another summer like last summer where we bought in too many players largely for its own sake. We need a carefully targeted strengthening of the squad, with central midfield, the flanks and a target man being the priority. No more than about four players needed this time.

Stability is vital to any club achieving success. It's no coincidence that the club with the longest serving manager in the Premiership. is also its most successful, yet he went FOUR YEARS without winning anything. Under today's climate, he'd have been binned off sharpish and Liverpool's domination of English football would probably have continued. Have patience and Pearson will deliver, he needs a pre-season to properly build a squad.

[LCFC_FAN_1995]

He's not saying should the manager be sacked. He's asking whether people would have been more lenient as they have been if it was Roy Keane for instance.

Yes I know, and I believe there is no point in sacking any manager who has not had a full season, apart from Sousa, he was an exception since he couldn't really keep anyone fully fit and we were in the relegation zone

[cosmos]

Am i the only one who thinks he's had long enough already?

All this talk about he needs time and it's not his team is rubbish.

A good manager will do the business simple as, he's ha long enough and is already on his way out!

[chris_lcfc_85]

Am i the only one who thinks he's had long enough already?

All this talk about he needs time and it's not his team is rubbish.

A good manager will do the business simple as, he's ha long enough and is already on his way out!

He's certainly not turned things around as quick as we'd all expected but to swap managers AGAIN is crazy!

He deserves an opportuntity to bring in some more of his own players and see how we do.....

We cant keep asking for a new manager everytime things dont go our way, it just never works

[Greg2607]

Chris Hughton doesn't seem to have done a bad job at Birmingham and they had a turn around of 47 players throughout the season. Yes, Birmingham were slow to start, but arguably have been a better team than us given where they sit in the table. Surely, If he is able to operate and be successful in moulding a team of new playesr, under very tight financial constraints, then we should be able to expect the same from our manager.

So yes, I think we SHOULD have expected more from Pearson. But I would also say that Birmingham had the advantage of a pre-season and also of their manager being able to buy the players that he felt fitted what he was after.

It's fair to say, that Nigel should be afforded the "luxury" of an entire season, unless perhaps failure to qualify for the premier league after next season would result in financial meltdown. I don't see NP as a manager who has instantaneous impact, but someone who builds.

[Raw Dykes]

Chris Hughton doesn't seem to have done a bad job at Birmingham and they had a turn around of 47 players throughout the season. Yes, Birmingham were slow to start, but arguably have been a better team than us given where they sit in the table. Surely, If he is able to operate and be successful in moulding a team of new playesr, under very tight financial constraints, then we should be able to expect the same from our manager.

So yes, I think we SHOULD have expected more from Pearson. But I would also say that Birmingham had the advantage of a pre-season and also of their manager being able to buy the players that he felt fitted what he was after.

It's fair to say, that Nigel should be afforded the "luxury" of an entire season, unless perhaps failure to qualify for the premier league after next season would result in financial meltdown. I don't see NP as a manager who has instantaneous impact, but someone who builds.

I was going to reply with this, but you said it yourself. These two reasons count for a lot. Sven bought players that Pearson wouldn't have touched with a bargepole. There are plenty of reasons why we haven't done as well as Brum, despite both clubs having a high turnover of players, but I think the main one is we had a change of manager after the main transfer window, because this affects so many things at the club.

[Raw Dykes]

Am i the only one who thinks he's had long enough already?

All this talk about he needs time and it's not his team is rubbish.

A good manager will do the business simple as, he's ha long enough and is already on his way out!

You can't really be serious, can you?

All this talk about giving him time and it's not his team is not rubbish at all, it's absolutely spot on. Pearson has not had long enough. He's been here just five months, and hasn't had a half decent chance to make changes to the squad. Sven had a whole year, and most people agree that he was sacked too soon.

Have you not considered that the squad is probably the problem, and not the manager, since they were performing just as badly for the previous manager, who was the one who put it together in the first place? If neither Sven nor Pearson can get this group of players to perform, then what makes you think any other manager we could sign will?

It would be fvcking insane to sack the manager now. One reason that hasn't been mentioned much is that it would make the owners look both clueless and ruthless, which would scare off any half decent manager we would be trying to hire, anyway.

[Webbo]

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[Babylon]

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Agree 100%

[Webbo]

Agree 100%

But no rep point?

[Babylon]

But no rep point?

Sorted

[Ric Flair]

Pearson has made a lot of mistakes this season and i'm questioning whether he'll get it right here. The squad of players he inherited is more than good enough for this level but all Nigel has done is fall out with several of them and we'll make huge losses on Mills and a few others. I hope he does get it right, but I just don't see it working for him here, he's made it clear that he will want a big overhaul again in the summer, which will probably lead to further inconsistency whilst we wait for the squad to supposedly gel.

Whatever happens, our midfield must be broken up and rebuilt. Wellens, Gallagher and Dyer need to go. We need a leader in the middle who doesn't go missing in games, hopefully that person isn't Paul Green who Pearson is keen on and is leaving Derby. I'd like to see us sign some players with previous experience of getting out of this division, we have hardly any players with that knowledge and I think it counts for a lot at this level.

Lastly, i'm losing interest. Pearson bores me, i'm fed up with the club right now. Hopefully i'll regain my enthusiasm over the summer ready for next season but unless Nigel has a transformation, I can't see that happening. I think his days are numbered.

[chris_lcfc_85]

Pearson has made a lot of mistakes this season and i'm questioning whether he'll get it right here. The squad of players he inherited is more than good enough for this level but all Nigel has done is fall out with several of them and we'll make huge losses on Mills and a few others. I hope he does get it right, but I just don't see it working for him here, he's made it clear that he will want a big overhaul again in the summer, which will probably lead to further inconsistency whilst we wait for the squad to supposedly gel.

Whatever happens, our midfield must be broken up and rebuilt. Wellens, Gallagher and Dyer need to go. We need a leader in the middle who doesn't go missing in games, hopefully that person isn't Paul Green who Pearson is keen on and is leaving Derby. I'd like to see us sign some players with previous experience of getting out of this division, we have hardly any players with that knowledge and I think it counts for a lot at this level.

Lastly, i'm losing interest. Pearson bores me, i'm fed up with the club right now. Hopefully i'll regain my enthusiasm over the summer ready for next season but unless Nigel has a transformation, I can't see that happening. I think his days are numbered.

I dont see why the midfield needs to be rebuilt.....

Drinkwater and Marshall will likely be part of a midfield 4 next season plus maybe 2 x new players in there. Plus Danns could play in the centre with Drinkwater which i think would be quality.

I 100% would NOT get rid of Dyer and people saying we should are daft IMO. Im not saying he should play every week but some games he's been electric so defo worth keeping to have an option as coming off the bench or using as a squad player.

[Ric Flair]

I dont see why the midfield needs to be rebuilt.....

Drinkwater and Marshall will likely be part of a midfield 4 next season plus maybe 2 x new players in there. Plus Danns could play in the centre with Drinkwater which i think would be quality.

I 100% would NOT get rid of Dyer and people saying we should are daft IMO. Im not saying he should play every week but some games he's been electric so defo worth keeping to have an option as coming off the bench or using as a squad player.

Enjoy mediocrity again next season then pal. Dyer, Wellens and Gallagher must go. Marshall and Drinkwater should be alongside 2 other midfielders of equal quality or better, something the 3 mentioned certainly aren't. I like Danns, but I believe we need a proper ball winner and midfield general to play alongside either Danns or Drinkwater. King must get back to level he showed in the 3 seasons previous to this one, otherwise he'll be no use to us.