Walshy5 Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 Does anyone think that people would be less lenient if someone like for example roy keane or lee clark got the job more people would be calling for his head by now? and just because its pearson people are more patient? For the record i dont think pearson should go btw as i think he's a good manager and anyone who does want him gone are clueless. This is just an observation.
Lambert09 Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 Not really. I think most people are willing to let somebody have at least a year before making a judgement unless they have been woeful. It tends to be owners in football that are less patient. Especially with our club in recent years. I think it will come down to Pearsons personal relationship with the thais
thybluefox Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 What you seem to be calling lenient most other sane people would be calling logical. Seriously don't understand people calling for his head.
LCFC_FAN_1995 Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 What's the point in sacking a manager after half a season, just for some other manager to come in and get to know the players.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 No, see I realise that calling for someone's head after less than 140 days in charge is a little bit silly and a big part of the problem with the modern game.
Bayfox Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 i'm becoming of the opinion, that a majority of our fans are not willing to give anyone any time, we could appoint, lee clark, grayson or even fergie and if we didnt start the season winning the 1st 11games, they would call for change, what does that achieve? we all know the players aren't as good as we hoped they would be, but this culture of wanting change is not healthy. afterall some wanted mon gone after a few games and lets be honest, his era is now what pearson is being judged against.
Corky Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 The fact he's been here before probably has given him a bit of leniency, but if we struggle at the start of next season then people will turn, no doubt.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 It would be hillarious and make us a total joke if we replaced Pearson with Lee Clark, the bloked who couldnt even get Huddesfield out of League 1 with Jordan Rhodes. Sometimes our fans are jokers.
sdb Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 Well part of the reason I back NP is that he's been here before and was very successful. So yeah, it would be different.
Jollie Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 i think this is a reasonable point, we all appreciate what Pearson did last time he was here. I hope most City fans have a soft spot for him with his lack of charisma and hatred of Stringer. Lets hope Susan Whelan doesn't advise Top and the gang to sack him unnecessarily like she did with Sven...
stourbridgefox Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 I think Susan Whelan has a thing for Nigel so I doubt she will want him gone. It's a good point about people giving Pearson more credit because he was here before. This is definitely true with me. I also wanted Sven to have time because he was a big name but I had very little patience with Sousa, who was a big name as a player but not as a manager. I am one for restraint and patience but if we are not in the top six 10 games in next season, I might start getting a bit edgy with Pearson.
Charl91 Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 I always maintain that every new manager should be given at least one full season in charge, with their own team (unless something is seriously wrong).
stourbridgefox Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 I always maintain that every new manager should be given at least one full season in charge, with their own team (unless something is seriously wrong). I agree with you but I know that if we are not doing well at the beginning of next season, I'm going to find it hard to maintain my perspective. Many people have already lost their perspective with Pearson so I'm not doing too badly I suppose! Truth be told, I probably feel like the manager should be sacked and the players booed after every game we lose, but I try to keep rational about it. The problem is, supporting a football club is anything but rational and at times of stress, the irrational will at some point assert itself!
fleckneymike Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 I think Pearson's previous tenure has bought him time that another manager wouldn't have been granted. Sven was sacked because the board felt we weren't going to get promoted, Nigel was brought in to get us promoted and nothing else. As we have all witnessed what Pearson can do (some view that positively others negatively) he's been allowed a degree of leniency from the fans. Any other manager would have to 'win us over' with their style and approach, whether they'd have negotiated December with the terrible run of results that we had without serious discontent from the fans is debatable.
Raw Dykes Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 I always maintain that every new manager should be given at least one full season in charge, with their own team (unless something is seriously wrong). I'd agree with that. Unless the team is clearly underachieving after a pre-season to shape the squad, or there's an unexpected serious threat of relegation before that, then I think it's fair to give any manager a full calendar year, so as to have a really good idea of progress, or lack of it. I'd agree that Pearson probably does get a small amount of leeway from the fans based on what he achieved the first time he was here, but not a lot. If everything was the same, except Pearson wasn't in charge and we had signed a manager we hadn't had before instead, i.e. same position, same results since Sven, I think most of us would still want to see what they could do with a close season to change things, but that number of fans would probably be slightly smaller than it is now.
stourbridgefox Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 Context must play a part too. Pearson took over a team which was under-achieving and has been given the benefit of the doubt by most fans. The fact he was successful here beforehand must play a part too of course. Sousa took over a successful team which then began struggling. I for one gave him no time what so ever.
nigel Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 i for one, do not want NP to go... He inherited an overpaid, under achieving team.. He's sorted a lot of the issues out, primarily how to bring Beckford into the game..Just need to solve the inconsistency and a couple of squad improvements and we'll be alright... Wellens to drop to the bench and Drinkwater or Kingy to move into his role, new LW who has a better all round game than Lloyd..
nigel Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 Inconsistency is a big issue but there are smaller ones that have been fixed...
fleckneymike Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 Inconsistency is a big issue but there are smaller ones that have been fixed... But made no difference to us overall.
nigel Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 not for this season, but onwards and upwards... Sorry for being the ever optimist..
Guest Bilo Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 Pearson has had half a season with a clearly disorganised squad. We would not benefit from his sacking one iota, we desperately need stability. This means that we should not have another summer like last summer where we bought in too many players largely for its own sake. We need a carefully targeted strengthening of the squad, with central midfield, the flanks and a target man being the priority. No more than about four players needed this time. Stability is vital to any club achieving success. It's no coincidence that the club with the longest serving manager in the Premiership. is also its most successful, yet he went FOUR YEARS without winning anything. Under today's climate, he'd have been binned off sharpish and Liverpool's domination of English football would probably have continued. Have patience and Pearson will deliver, he needs a pre-season to properly build a squad.
Babylon Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 Does anyone think that people would be less lenient if someone like for example roy keane or lee clark got the job more people would be calling for his head by now? and just because its pearson people are more patient? For the record i dont think pearson should go btw as i think he's a good manager and anyone who does want him gone are clueless. This is just an observation. Well I wouldn't be, I've said the same things about him as I did Sven. At this point in time there are two many mitigating circumstances that could have contributed to his average tenure so far. As with Sven, a summer in the job removes those from the equation, which I believe lets you judge fairly. It's very easy to sit here and say get rid, that's the easy option when you are sat at home behind a computer not stumping up the cash yourself. If you are the owners it's a massive decision, and not something that can be taken as lightly as some do on here. The costs alone of replacing a manager and getting someone else in would be huge. If you added up what we have paid out for the services of Sousa and Pearson from Swansea and Hull. The wages Sousa, Sven and their staff had to be paid up when sacked, and any figure that would have to be paid up to Pearson and his lot, along with getting in someone else. It'd be a frightening amount. You have to be as sure as possible that they are not the right Person. And frankly unless someone has been a disaster like Sousa, I'm not sure there is anyway you can be in 5 months. Playing with much of someone else's team, not having a close season and only having a January window to change things.
Kitchandro Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 He does get more leniency because it's him, but not for the reason you're thinking of. People have faith in him because of what he's done in the past, not only here but the decent jobs he did at Southampton and Hull too. If it was Roy Keane I'd remember when he was given time at Ipswich and got them nowhere. I'd have to take this into account when deciding whether I thought he was going to get us promoted or not. But whoever the manager was, it's just way too early to sack him. He's come here mid-season to take charge of an underperforming squad which many faults. It's a tougher job than I first thought it would be, but he deserves a lot more time than he's had to sort it out. After all, he's done now worse than Sven so far.
Fox92 Posted 22 April 2012 Posted 22 April 2012 I am always willing to give the manager a summer to sort things out. I was never a fan of Sven, but I still supported him because he was Leicester City manager, and I gave him the time I thought he needed untill I said otherwise. Just a shame he made some poor decisions regarding transfers. So, the same with Nigel. I will really judge him after the summer and after the start of the season. But I do think he will get it right, again.
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