Bayfox Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 Why is it worrying? Cutting down the wage-bill, finding out which players want to be here and which don't. It will also separate gaps in the dressing room, not only from getting rid of the ego's but also the gap in wages for example; Matt Mills rumoured to be on 25k+, didn't show as much enthusiasm or try as hard as say someone like Schlupp who is probably on considerably less? Not sure if this is true, but i can imagine it having quite a demoralising effect on the lesser paid player? Who knows. I certainly think for the long term future of the club that this will be a positive rather than a hindrance. I agree that cutting the wage bill clearing out the dead wood is all well and good, but what will we be left with, at times we have been found wanting even with a large squad, adding quality all well and good but we are still going to be left with some very average players who haven't cut it this time round what do you think is going to change? Unless you are willing to accept that we take the long term view, promotion maybe be beyond us, not a proplem for some people maybe, but i don't think the owners will agree. I said earlier 5 x signings, a new RB, a new CB, a new CM, a new wide man and new striker..... Peltier will compete with the new RB.... then with Danns, King and Drinkwater, another CM would be fine.... A CB to replace Mills and a different type of forward like Heskey/Hulse/Helguson/Kane..... Stronger options A new RB yes, another CB yes but as we all expect mills and tunchev and i wouldn't bet that bamba would be here at the start of the season, that's only 3 centre halves. 4 CM looks ok, but as we have found injuries happen, we currently have 3 of this seasons remaining 4 out injured. I would be looking at 2 forwards personally as i'm yet to be convinced schlupp is good enough and we need at least another wide player. If not we could be left with to many players who have under performed this year, all i'm asking is, can pearson get more out of the likes of King, Peltier, dyer etc if he has to?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 Nigel knows what he's doing. Get rid of the big earners, bring in 2-3 new players (Defensive midfielder and a holding forward most importantly) and get the rest of our players playing as well as everyone knows they can. Job done.
Bayfox Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 I wouldn't worry too much about it. Some of the players wages are very large, so if Pearson can offload them, then the squad doesn't have to be smaller at all. In fact, if it's done right, the squad could even be a bit bigger while still cutting the wage bill. For example, if we can find a club to take Mills and his £30k a week, or whatever it is, then that would free up enough cash to bring in at least two good young players without it affecting the wage bill at all. The new FFP rules could stop us being overcharged when buying players, whether they're really affecting us or not. The club may be able to use the rules as an excuse for not being able to fork out as much in wages as it could last year, whilst still selling itself as a club with real ambition of reaching the PL soon. Pearson may not be a master tactician, but he can certainly be trusted to do a great job in the transfer market, based on his previous record. I think the club has a good scouting network, and I'm looking forward to seeing what business we do over the summer. In the transfer window last summer, we were mugs, and I'm confident that's over with now. I'm not knocking pearson just asking a question, but wouldn't this bit mean mass signings, or are you just suggesting we off load mills and pantsil to free wages for a bigger squad but still get left with the rubbish that has got us no where near the play-offs this year. Don't disagree that it could be done, but it's not going to improve the quality of the squad greatly i wouldn't think. unless we are willing to give younger players the time to develop.
kingfox Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 I think we need more than one winger, maybe two. Gallagher maybe sold, Dyer may only be good enough for back up next season and Marshall has played better in a centre role. That don't leave us with much tbh.
jamesmilner Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 how on earth can we lose wellens if he is out until october ?
Reynard Bleu Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 I have hope for better things next season, without hope there is nothing. We fell short this year, but not by a million miles, by a few dozen silly mistakes. We need to sort out a few week areas and balance the team up a little, the key will be exploit the talent we have already paid for as much and bring in the right individuals to close the gaps and plug the holes.
Raw Dykes Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 I'm not knocking pearson just asking a question, but wouldn't this bit mean mass signings, or are you just suggesting we off load mills and pantsil to free wages for a bigger squad but still get left with the rubbish that has got us no where near the play-offs this year. Don't disagree that it could be done, but it's not going to improve the quality of the squad greatly i wouldn't think. unless we are willing to give younger players the time to develop. Ah, I see what you mean. Today, there have been two stories. One was Pearson saying there will be changes, but not like as many as last summer, and the other was Stringer saying Pearson met with the owners, who told him they would give him backing to make significant changes. I forget exactly how many new players arrived last summer, but it was at least ten, so we could still expect to see a fair few new players arrive in the summer. I reckon about five good signings could be enough to drastically improve the first team, and allow us to make some of our current first team regulars squad players instead. I think our problems have more to do with the team as a whole, than the individuals themselves. I think it's possible to fix the mentality of the squad by replacing a few negative influences with positive ones to get everyone pulling in the same direction. I really don't think it has helped to have some high earners around the place that haven't contributed much at all, if anything. Even though the squad is a good size, there are some areas of the pitch that are very thin on the ground (wingers, right back), and some that are non-existent (defensive midfield, mobile target man/striker who can hold up the ball). We've also had more than our fair share of injuries and suspensions this season that haven't helped. Obviously, any manager should expect some players to be unavailable at some point, but to have two first team strikers get serious injuries at the same time, or for three central midfielders to be ruled out at once is very unlucky. You can only plan for this as much as you like, and still get caught out by too many injuries at the wrong times. There are other things that may have been factors, as well, such as sub-standard pre-season training, like Sousa's last season, but not as bad, of course. Another factor could well have been the pressure of expectation, which won't be such a problem next season now that everyone's seen us fail to live up to the hype. I think what I'm getting at is that, while I agree that we've been very disappointing this season, I believe that a few, well chosen transfers in and the same going out could make the world of difference. I know I probably sound overly optimistic, but I really think there may currently be just a few small things causing a lot of big problems.
Kitchandro Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 A defensive midfielder is the only type of central midfielder we require. Another Winger is a must preferably a LW- Stewart? Harry Kane (loan) A RB 4 signings should be fine. I disagree with that, we severely need a creative spark in the centre. A defence midfielder is certainly something we should be considering though. Agree about right back, Pelts just isn't up to it. I'm not totally convinced by our centre backs either, Tunchev and Mills will go, maybe Bamba as well, which would only leave Morgan and St Ledger. A winger is the obvious one, priority IMO. And he's got to offer us width and pace, different to Marshall who prefers to cut inside and either shoot or trick his way past players, rather than a burst of speed which will get us in behind defences. I aslo agree we need another striker, though can't comment on Kane as I've never seen him play. So that's around 5/6 If those are considered 'massive changes' by Pearson, then I'm already starting to doubt our potential next season.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 We can all stop worrying now, as Nigel knows what he is doing! ---All of a sudden.
davieG Posted 26 April 2012 Author Posted 26 April 2012 Sometimes players under perform because they do not have the correct type of player to complement their skills playing along side them, so to say the current incumbents are no good is a bit simplistic, a good manager with a football brain and an eye for detail should be able to spot what is missing and who can perform better with the correct team mates and who can't. Whether Pearson has that ability, given he'll probably, even with the predicted constrictions have more money/scope to improve the squad than he did last time who knows?
Bayfox Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 Ah, I see what you mean. Today, there have been two stories. One was Pearson saying there will be changes, but not like as many as last summer, and the other was Stringer saying Pearson met with the owners, who told him they would give him backing to make significant changes. I forget exactly how many new players arrived last summer, but it was at least ten, so we could still expect to see a fair few new players arrive in the summer. I reckon about five good signings could be enough to drastically improve the first team, and allow us to make some of our current first team regulars squad players instead. I think our problems have more to do with the team as a whole, than the individuals themselves. I think it's possible to fix the mentality of the squad by replacing a few negative influences with positive ones to get everyone pulling in the same direction. I really don't think it has helped to have some high earners around the place that haven't contributed much at all, if anything. Even though the squad is a good size, there are some areas of the pitch that are very thin on the ground (wingers, right back), and some that are non-existent (defensive midfield, mobile target man/striker who can hold up the ball). We've also had more than our fair share of injuries and suspensions this season that haven't helped. Obviously, any manager should expect some players to be unavailable at some point, but to have two first team strikers get serious injuries at the same time, or for three central midfielders to be ruled out at once is very unlucky. You can only plan for this as much as you like, and still get caught out by too many injuries at the wrong times. There are other things that may have been factors, as well, such as sub-standard pre-season training, like Sousa's last season, but not as bad, of course. Another factor could well have been the pressure of expectation, which won't be such a problem next season now that everyone's seen us fail to live up to the hype. I think what I'm getting at is that, while I agree that we've been very disappointing this season, I believe that a few, well chosen transfers in and the same going out could make the world of difference. I know I probably sound overly optimistic, but I really think there may currently be just a few small things causing a lot of big problems.
Happy Fox Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 Ian Stringer @StringerSport Reply Retweet Favorite · Open #lcfc manager Nigel Pearson met with the Thai owners yesterday and has been offered "significant development of the squad" in the summer Money, Money Kitch I don't really think we need a playmaker of course it would be nice to have one but If you know of a cheap one than by all means we could get one, the ones in the English Market are very inflated Powell, Whittingham etc. I really Drinkwater could fulfill that role.
Smudge Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 I just wish I knew for sure who Pearson thinks has the ability to take us forward. He has a strong loyalty to Wellens Gallagher King and Dyer of who are singularly inconsistent in their performances. If we only get rid of Mills, Pansill and Tunchev, what's going to change? I have long held the belief that the forwards are starved of good balls to their feet because of our pedestrian midfield and the defense is hampered by Dyer and Gallagher's unwillingness to get stuck in. If he reorganizes the midfield, I might feel we are getting somewhere but somehow I don't think that will happen.
Kitchandro Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 Ian Stringer @StringerSport Reply Retweet Favorite · Open #lcfc manager Nigel Pearson met with the Thai owners yesterday and has been offered "significant development of the squad" in the summer Money, Money Kitch I don't really think we need a playmaker of course it would be nice to have one but If you know of a cheap one than by all means we could get one, the ones in the English Market are very inflated Powell, Whittingham etc. I really Drinkwater could fulfill that role. I take your point about them being hard to find and their prices being inflated, but Drinkwater is not a creative midfielder. He's too happy to pass it sideways (a la King) and rarely strides forward with the ball confidently. From what I've seen, he's not even a particularly great passer. Watch the likes of Lallana and Hoolahan who have set this league alight and you can see the difference in their attitudes when in possession. Drinkwater is a decent player but I've not seen anything to suggest he's a player who could fill any specific role, let alone a creative one. Whilst Pearson's signings are rarely bad, they also tend to be players who are happy to be 'all-rounders' as opposed to players who excel at something particular. I think this is one of the problems with our midfield at the moment - they all fill a similar purpose and there isn't much of a balance.
Babylon Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 He has a strong loyalty to Wellens Gallagher King and Dyer of who are singularly inconsistent in their performances. What do we base this on? We don't have any other options at the moment and haven't since Abe and Fernandes jumped ship (their choice). Except for Danns and King Pearson has signed all of our midfield. Why would he be any more loyal to Gallagher than he his Marshall? These players are sat on long contracts because Sousa and Sven also played them, and they must have liked them to reward them with big fat contracts. If we can't get rid of these players (should Pearson wish to), it could well be down to those contracts rather than Pearson wanting to keep them.
Happy Fox Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 I take your point about them being hard to find and their prices being inflated, but Drinkwater is not a creative midfielder. He's too happy to pass it sideways (a la King) and rarely strides forward with the ball confidently. From what I've seen, he's not even a particularly great passer. Watch the likes of Lallana and Hoolahan who have set this league alight and you can see the difference in their attitudes when in possession. Drinkwater is a decent player but I've not seen anything to suggest he's a player who could fill any specific role, let alone a creative one. Whilst Pearson's signings are rarely bad, they also tend to be players who are happy to be 'all-rounders' as opposed to players who excel at something particular. I think this is one of the problems with our midfield at the moment. Our midfield is the problem we all know that we have if I am not mistaken we have 2 box to box midfielders in Danns and King, Drinkwater as you say seems to be an all rounder type, So getting a playmaker and defensive midfielder should be priority this summer however I can only see us getting one out of the two, a defensive midfielder is more important imo, if we sort out the creativity from the wing positions we have done with Marshall but the left side needs working on, than creating assists wise we should be okay their are many factors to consider.
m00nie Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 What do we base this on? We don't have any other options at the moment and haven't since Abe and Fernandes jumped ship (their choice). Except for Danns and King Pearson has signed all of our midfield. Why would he be any more loyal to Gallagher than he his Marshall? These players are sat on long contracts because Sousa and Sven also played them, and they must have liked them to reward them with big fat contracts. If we can't get rid of these players (should Pearson wish to), it could well be down to those contracts rather than Pearson wanting to keep them. come next season if there in the starting line up then we will see..
Babylon Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 come next season if there in the starting line up then we will see.. We'll see what? They are on very expensive and very long contracts, which is not Pearsons fault. If we can't get rid then we will not be in a position to bring someone else in. Our first choice midfield already includes two players not in that list in Danns and Marshall.
m00nie Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 We'll see what? They are on very expensive and very long contracts, which is not Pearsons fault. If we can't get rid then we will not be in a position to bring someone else in. Our first choice midfield already includes two players not in that list in Danns and Marshall. If there not going to be part of his plans they would want to move on.. if there in the starting line ups then he is picking them. players are professionals and i dont buy they would want to sit out there contract in the reserves (especially how limited our reserve games are). how do we know marshall is first choice?? because he finished off the season ? maybe that was down to gally not 100% for all we know..
Babylon Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 If there not going to be part of his plans they would want to move on.. if there in the starting line ups then he is picking them. players are professionals and i dont buy they would want to sit out there contract in the reserves (especially how limited our reserve games are). With FFP people aren't going to offer anything like what they are on, so yes many players will stay with what they are on. The lower league gravy train is coming to an end. how do we know marshall is first choice?? because he finished off the season ? maybe that was down to gally not 100% for all we know.. Because he's started almost every game for god knows how long, got in the team when Gallagher was fit, and has been one of our better players. Other than that what more can I say.
Smudge Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 What do we base this on? We don't have any other options at the moment and haven't since Abe and Fernandes jumped ship (their choice). Except for Danns and King Pearson has signed all of our midfield. Why would he be any more loyal to Gallagher than he his Marshall? These players are sat on long contracts because Sousa and Sven also played them, and they must have liked them to reward them with big fat contracts. If we can't get rid of these players (should Pearson wish to), it could well be down to those contracts rather than Pearson wanting to keep them. Quite right Babylon, I should have said that it is my opinion that he has had strong loyalties to these players. edit Oh to your point about long contracts, if we have to play them only because they are on the books I'd say there's a real problem with this club.
Pasturesfox Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 Well done Nigel! Sounds good to me! I believe in you! Some of you are very silly sausages on here and you make me laugh. "I'd like us to lose Gallagher". . Yeah that's clever mate. Let's get rid of a solid performer who can play only half the games during the season and often come on as a sub and score over ten goals for two consecutive Championship seasons. He can also play in a number of positions and seems fairly happy enough at the moment to be used as back up. Some of you have no fvcking idea do you! I cannot stand the fvcking witch hunts on here sometimes and negativity before next season ever begins! This is going to be a horrible place for the next few months isn't it? Well I say right now I trust in you Nigel and, though this has been a pretty bad season, I am fully behind you and the team and I have a little bit of optimism (yes yes I know that's not really allowed on here but oh well, I've never been one of the in crowd). So who stands with me fellow Foxes? Who's gonna dare to dream and have faith and who's just gonna just be a miserable cvnt? "Let's get rid of a solid performer "" seems fairly happy enough at the moment to be used as back up" Got to be a wind up - nice one made me laugh, you are a card me duck
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