Lance Armstrong & Doping?

[ozleicester]

He is swinging between honesty and deceit, (imo), hope hes got a good Psych, think hes going to need it

[Carl the Llama]

The question mark in the title becomes more amusing with each revelation.

[notnow john]

His books now officially in the fiction section.

[clare]

For me, he did not show an ounce of humility or remorse for his actions. A very calculated PR exercise with a clear attempt to try and regain control of the situation.

[Guesty]

The only things he really admitted to were the things that he knows can be proven - everything else wasn't true (very doubtful). He point blank refused to talk about the Betsy Andreu thing because he knows that it's a legal minefield for him and Oprah just let him off the hook. At least now though people like Andreu who have been bullied and vilified by him, his team and his supporters can speak out - and people will believe them and be on thier side, instead of Saint Lance.

Still makes me laugh how some people go, well he only cheated and look at what he did for charity. They don't seem to know he's an arrogant bully who ruined anyones life who crossed him without remorse. And as far as the charity thing, all you have to do is look at Jimmy Saville.

The only reason he's sorry is because he's been caught and this is his only play.

[leicsmac]

The only things he really admitted to were the things that he knows can be proven - everything else wasn't true (very doubtful). He point blank refused to talk about the Betsy Andreu thing because he knows that it's a legal minefield for him and Oprah just let him off the hook. At least now though people like Andreu who have been bullied and vilified by him, his team and his supporters can speak out - and people will believe them and be on thier side, instead of Saint Lance.

Still makes me laugh how some people go, well he only cheated and look at what he did for charity. They don't seem to know he's an arrogant bully who ruined anyones life who crossed him without remorse. And as far as the charity thing, all you have to do is look at Jimmy Saville.

The only reason he's sorry is because he's been caught and this is his only play.

Equating doping in order to win cycling events with a sustained campaign of sexual abuse of underage children is a bit over the top IMO.

He's a cheat and a manipulative liar and he should spend the rest of his life in disgrace within the sporting world as a result of it, but his actions shouldn't affect the charity that he founded - that wouldn't be fair on the people it has helped. He and he alone should be taking the fall for all of this.

[Guesty]

Equating doping in order to win cycling events with a sustained campaign of sexual abuse of underage children is a bit over the top IMO.

That wasn't my point - I didn't explain that bit very well. My point was people like Armstrong and Saville try to portray this saintly image through their charity work and use it as a defence anytime anyone dares to question them. They both did that and you have to wonder if that was their ulterior motive all along - I'm not saying their crimes are in anyway comparable.

[leicsmac]

That wasn't my point - I didn't explain that bit very well. My point was people like Armstrong and Saville try to portray this saintly image through their charity work and use it as a defence anytime anyone dares to question them. They both did that and you have to wonder if that was their ulterior motive all along - I'm not saying their crimes are in anyway comparable.

Yeah, I'm guilty a bit of hyperbole there on my part, apologies. I know you weren't trying to give them equivalence. I just think that the fact that Armstrong is a liar and a drug cheat shouldn't cast a shadow on the effect that the Livestrong charity has had on peoples lives. In their blame people should separate one from the other.

[Guest shearfox]

That wasn't my point - I didn't explain that bit very well. My point was people like Armstrong and Saville try to portray this saintly image through their charity work and use it as a defence anytime anyone dares to question them. They both did that and you have to wonder if that was their ulterior motive all along - I'm not saying their crimes are in anyway comparable.

Exactly what if I went around robbing banks, but giving a lot of my money to charity does that make me any less of a criminal?

[Kitchandro]

Exactly what if I went around robbing banks, but giving a lot of my money to charity does that make me any less of a criminal?

Only if you wear green tights and come out with great anti-establishment one-liners.

[Lobsterboyuk]

The UCI seem institutionally corrupt. The questions surrounding their role in accommodating doping for many decades demonstrates the need to rebuild the whole governing structure of the sport. Will be interesting to see how they wriggle out of the fallout of the Armstrong thing but depressingly they probably will. Fvck you Armstrong you cheating cvnt and that's why I hated anybody wearing a US Postal Service/Motorola/Radioshack kit while riding a Trek all these years, will they still be doing this next July.

Contador won the 2012 Vuelta after doing nothing for two weeks and looks highly uncompetitive and then miraculously rides off the front on the stage after the rest day, hmmm, different day, same shit?

[ozleicester]

[Nalis]

I really dont understand why Lance Armstrong is permitted to ride two stages of the Tour de France for Cuke Leukaemia.

1 - The self- importance of the man is betond a joke. He's ruined a number of team mates careers and lives as well as cheating the sport whilst showing a complete lack of remorse when he finally got caught.

2 - The charity would survive without him so I'm not buying the whole 'but he's helping a good cause' argument.

[fuchsntf]

I agree, seems very strange that he wouldnt continue the fight to clear his name, all this 'can't be bothered anymore' is ludicrus, if it was me i would fight it with everything I had for as long as it takes, this is his whole career being wiped out...how could you just let it happen...especially if you 'knew' you were innocent.

You havent lived his life, or experienced his ups and downs, nor have you suffered his medical problems, while pushing yourself through the most torturous sporting challenge presented to man.

He has a family, and the stress and strains that brings, in their fishbowl lives.

I dont know the guy, neither do you.I dont know if he has taken drugs, neither do you.

Its ludicrus for me, that people with no connection to the issue can prejudge another persons lifes predicament and decisions.Some people just dont have the need to prove themselves to strangers/world, or quantify or explain their decisions.

some are just happy to prove themselves to themselves, nothing more.

[Wymsey]

Hope he gets jeered, fully deserves it.

[ozleicester]

You havent lived his life, or experienced his ups and downs, nor have you suffered his medical problems, while pushing yourself through the most torturous sporting challenge presented to man.

He has a family, and the stress and strains that brings, in their fishbowl lives.

I dont know the guy, neither do you.I dont know if he has taken drugs, neither do you.

Its ludicrus for me, that people with no connection to the issue can prejudge another persons lifes predicament and decisions.Some people just dont have the need to prove themselves to strangers/world, or quantify or explain their decisions.

some are just happy to prove themselves to themselves, nothing more.

 

 

I agree with much of what you say... but, we do KNOW he took drugs as he has admitted it.

 

We also KNOW he ruined others lives. Im all for giving people a second chance, but they need to acknowledge and show remorse for their errors.

 

If he want to help.. do it without all the selfpromotion, spend a couple of years trying to show that you are in fact not a lieing cvnt who cares only for himself and then maybe.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Really if you win in cycling/athletics/swimming and such sports, you are on drugs. The people you're beating are on drugs, so you are on drugs. Just the way it is, just a case of trying not to get caught.