Finnegan Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 Where do English commentators find the audacity to pretend they don't know what the extra officials are for? Do you think its some sort of in-joke across the BBC and ITV because I swear in every game a pundit makes a sarcastic quip about them. We know why they're there, they're there because the English haven't shut up about goal line decisions since Lampardgate. What's more, haven't they been in the champions league all season? It's hardly new? Am I missing something?
The Doctor Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 I think it's just the pundits going for some passive-aggressive whining that Blatter's not gone straight to use of goal-line technology.
Finnegan Posted 16 June 2012 Author Posted 16 June 2012 I think it's just the pundits going for some passive-aggressive whining that Blatter's not gone straight to use of goal-line technology. Aye that's how it's come across, especially from the like of Lawro. Does seem like there's a bit of an agenda though I expect to be told I'm being biased.
TheUltimateWinner Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 They say what do they do almost every match, and why they don't move. It makes me realise how stupid they can be, They have headsets to contact the referees to make decisions and an extra view.
bmt Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 Aye that's how it's come across, especially from the like of Lawro. Does seem like there's a bit of an agenda though I expect to be told I'm being biased. Well they are a flawed system so I'm glad the commentators have an agenda against them.
Finnegan Posted 16 June 2012 Author Posted 16 June 2012 It just baffles me. We were all told what they were for when they were first trialled in the CL. These guys are allegedly experts, they know about the players, the venues, the rule changes, the refs. They definitely know what the goal line officials are for.
Jaspa Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 Aye that's how it's come across, especially from the like of Lawro. Does seem like there's a bit of an agenda though I expect to be told I'm being biased. Well you have been being incredibly Ultra-Welsh recently Dont take the opinion of the BBC & ITV as that of the entirety of England I dont think we should shut up about 'LampardGate', because it was simply atrocious to have on the global stage . . . . Against Ze' bloody Germans too How come 'Gareth Bale United' aren't at the Euros anyway ?
Finnegan Posted 16 June 2012 Author Posted 16 June 2012 Well they are a flawed system so I'm glad the commentators have an agenda against them. What's flawed about them? They're a good idea. If you were upset about Lampards "goal" but aren't happy by these officials then you are a hypocrite, plain and simple. Granted, proper technology would be better but this is a step in the right direction that doesn't cost much and fills a gap while the sport works on the technology itself.
Finnegan Posted 16 June 2012 Author Posted 16 June 2012 Well you have been being incredibly Ultra-Welsh recently Dont take the opinion of the BBC & ITV as that of the entirety of England I dont think we should shut up about 'LampardGate', because it was simply atrocious to have on the global stage . . . . Against Ze' bloody Germans too How come 'Gareth Bale United' aren't at the Euros anyway ? Because we didn't get through qualifying, I think?
Finnegan Posted 16 June 2012 Author Posted 16 June 2012 I hope that's why, anyway, I'd hate to think we were just put off by Sol Campbell...
The Doctor Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 Well you have been being incredibly Ultra-Welsh recently Dont take the opinion of the BBC & ITV as that of the entirety of England I dont think we should shut up about 'LampardGate', because it was simply atrocious to have on the global stage . . . . Against Ze' bloody Germans too How come 'Gareth Bale United' aren't at the Euros anyway ? The possibility of seeing an actual monkey on the pitch would have confused the locals a bit too much and caused some havoc. While you should have a bit of a moan about Lampardgate - it was a complete farce - that the media does so and then moans about a temporary system to stop such incidents while perfecting technology seems a bit ridiculous.
bmt Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 What's flawed about them? They're a good idea. If you were upset about Lampards "goal" but aren't happy by these officials then you are a hypocrite, plain and simple. Granted, proper technology would be better but this is a step in the right direction that doesn't cost much and fills a gap while the sport works on the technology itself. Claws away. No I'm just saying the human eye can't always tell. I agree completely with your second sentence, but I think these officials are used to take the pressure off when they should have developing the best technology as a higher priority in my opinion.
ScouseFox Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 I don't think anyone's questioned the theory of why they are there, it's to help make decisions in the areas they can. People are questioning the reality, in terms of what's the point in them if they don't give anything or indicate anything even if it happens under their nose? There's been a number of incidents where a referee has been a bit hesitant because they decision for a corner/goal kick or a free kick is 30 yards away from them but 3 yards from the extra official but they're not signalling anything.
Finnegan Posted 16 June 2012 Author Posted 16 June 2012 They are developing the technology, wasn't some tested in a recent friendly? The human eye isn't perfect but a guy stood right next to the goal line whose priority it is to exclusively watch the ball can't be a bad thing in the meantime. They won't bring the technology in overnight will they?
bmt Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 They are developing the technology, wasn't some tested in a recent friendly? The human eye isn't perfect but a guy stood right next to the goal line whose priority it is to exclusively watch the ball can't be a bad thing in the meantime. They won't bring the technology in overnight will they? No of course not but they've taken 2 years since the Lampard goal and it's been far longer since it was originally asked for. They haven't had it high enough on their priority list in this time and although it's better than nothing for the extra officials to be there like I said I think they're more there to shut us up rather than Blatter and co. wanting genuine reform (eg new technology). Testing it in one game is bloody half hearted aswell. So I sort of see why the commentators give them a hard time. It's more a dig at FIFA/UEFA for being a joke.
MooseBreath Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 It's probably because there have been several cases where incidents have happened within metres of the chap on the line and he hasn't given anything. It's irritating in the same way as when you get linesmen who seem afraid to make a call even when it's blatantly obvious. Perhaps if we watered down their job description a bit, and just said they're only there to see if the ball has crossed the line and have no responsibility when it comes to making any other decisions, then the idea might be treated with a little more respect.
Super_horns Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 Cleary the reasonsing for them needs a full and clear explaination so the pundits can understand it... Anyway people like Alan Green moan about the officials over anything so its another easy target. He'd probably moan about them getting involved too much if the extra officials had the right to give more decisions.
whoareyaaa Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 Where do English commentators find the audacity to pretend they don't know what the extra officials are for? Do you think its some sort of in-joke across the BBC and ITV because I swear in every game a pundit makes a sarcastic quip about them. We know why they're there, they're there because the English haven't shut up about goal line decisions since Lampardgate. What's more, haven't they been in the champions league all season? It's hardly new? Am I missing something? I agree they do bang on about it quite a bit not every game though... it's just some more rubbish for them fill the 90 mins in with, but there is no need to start getting angry because your footballing nation is shit and the only hope its got of making a big tournament is if they host it.
acooling08 Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 I think the issue is that they never seem to actually do anything. All I've seen them assist with so far in games is whether or not the ball has gone out for a corner or not. They just seem to stand around doing nothing.
The Doctor Posted 16 June 2012 Posted 16 June 2012 I think the issue is that they never seem to actually do anything. All I've seen them assist with so far in games is whether or not the ball has gone out for a corner or not. They just seem to stand around doing nothing. Well, there's not a "was-it-wasn't-it" goal-line moment every game though is there?
acooling08 Posted 17 June 2012 Posted 17 June 2012 Well, there's not a "was-it-wasn't-it" goal-line moment every game though is there? No but sometimes when there is a contentious free-kick/throw in/corner/goal kick right near them and rarely do they assist the referee. I think the idea of them being there is pointless anyway as it will still be very hard for them to see whether the ball has crossed or not in that split second, often with many players in the box and with them having to look through the side netting. Just stick a bloody camera in there and make it fool proof.
The Doctor Posted 17 June 2012 Posted 17 June 2012 No but sometimes when there is a contentious free-kick/throw in/corner/goal kick right near them and rarely do they assist the referee. I think the idea of them being there is pointless anyway as it will still be very hard for them to see whether the ball has crossed or not in that split second, often with many players in the box and with them having to look through the side netting. Just stick a bloody camera in there and make it fool proof. How do you know? They've got microphones etc., just because the ref doesn't go over and talk to them & they don't wave their arms about like a loon, doesn't mean they don't assist the ref. Players in the way? Can't see how a camera would fall foul of that, no way.
Finnegan Posted 17 June 2012 Author Posted 17 June 2012 It's probably because there have been several cases where incidents have happened within metres of the chap on the line and he hasn't given anything. It's irritating in the same way as when you get linesmen who seem afraid to make a call even when it's blatantly obvious. Perhaps if we watered down their job description a bit, and just said they're only there to see if the ball has crossed the line and have no responsibility when it comes to making any other decisions, then the idea might be treated with a little more respect. I thought that pretty much was the case tbh?
Corky Posted 17 June 2012 Posted 17 June 2012 I would like to know why they seem to be on the linesman's side of the goal. Surely it would be better for them to be the other side for a better view of unclear calls for throw-ins/ set pieces away from the linesman?
AyewJoking Posted 17 June 2012 Posted 17 June 2012 Piss poor effort from fifa to tackle the whole goal line technology issue. we want technology, not more human error.
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